Re: [Goanet] EDUCATION IN GOA [3]- Response to Bosco
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On Tue Mar 6 22:27:50 PST 2007 Joe Vaz wrote extraneously (as expected) : If you really want my honest response to your irrelevant questions, give it another try, but be civil next time. If your intent is to get me down to your level of aggressiveness, name-calling and abuse, -- you be rest assured I will not oblige. :-) RESPONSE: Joe, honesty and you ?? Geez!! By resorting to counting words and pointing out a single typo in my earlier response, you answered the query I raised in my very first message on this thread. You have absolutely no interest to discuss Education in Goa, but are only participating in this thread to continue your usual self-absorbed elocution. In your convoluted logic of persisting in this discussion, you now feel compelled to point to posts of others on this subject (not thread) to console yourself. For someone who had to resort to a 'drive-by' and who has actively engaged in acerbic debates on Goanet over the years, I'm surprised to see you pleading to be handled with kid-gloves. Did you really miss the civil opportunity I afforded you in my very first post to explain yourself for drawing me into this thread: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2007-February/054524.html In response to your query, please note my kids will not go to school in Goa as their parents don't live in Goa. They would, if we lived there. Again I'm surprised by your query after you pleaded in your last message not to get personal. I suppose you want it one-way only. Now since you choose to indulge in grandstanding and running around in circles instead of responding to direct questions, and would prefer the safe confines of ambiguity, I will draw my own conclusions in identifying the reasons for your insiduousness in this thread : # 1 - You draw attention to Tony Martin because he said what you wished to say but don't have the mettle for, which is to criticize the DES. # 2 - You started at me because I silenced Gllenda's constant abuse of the Catholic Church in Goa. Something you were happy was happening. # 3 - You would prefer to intimidate me into not contesting your nonsense, just because I'm a member of Goanet Administration. Another form of censoring. # 4 - You would rather demonize than discuss as you have done here over the years. So while you state you don't have the time for frivolous exercises, you certainly are not one to let go of the hegemony of thought. So yes, you are definitely coming back with more nebbish. So keep writingand practice the art that is advanced by comrade Gilbert earlier today. Ohh.to improve your sagacity, I've left some grammatical aberrations in this post for you to unearth. Good luck! - Bosco
Re: [Goanet] EDUCATION IN GOA [3]- Response to Bosco
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On Fri Mar 2 20:07:13 PST 2007 Bosco D'Mello bospam at canada.com wrote: In breaking with my two-posts per thread tradition, I'm back. To afford you another opportunity to explicitly point out what it is I said ... Hi Bosco: If you really want my honest response to your irrelevant questions, give it another try, but be civil next time. If your intent is to get me down to your level of aggressiveness, name-calling and abuse, -- you be rest assured I will not oblige. :-) BTW just to let you know, I went through your last post of 1557 words. Sadly, I couldnt find anything worthwhile that you tried to share in your post, except the abuse that you so gratuitously hurled at me. I will let you bask in your own glory -- as one who knows all about Goas Education system, and whats good for Goans. You sound more like Goan politicians who advocate an erratic education system saying thats what is good for children in Goa. Isnt whats good for the goose, good for the gander as well? Our elected representatives must learn to practice what they preach, and lead by example. Ask them where their kids do/did their schooling, and you will learn the truth. Nevermind what Tony Martin said about porn. Do kids in Goa own a Playstation or an X-Box among other gizmos? I dont know. Do I need to? But I believe, you missed the recent post on the education subject, by Tony Martins -- Freelance Writer and Author , Galgibaga, Canacona, Goa. If you cared to check the Goanet archives, you would find numerous such posts from other netters, against the current system of primary education in Goa. Do you really go to Goa, like you claimed in an earlier post? Why? Do you have any doubts, or know otherwise? That's a cop-out! Are you really interested in a serious discussion on Education in Goa? I honestly cannot say that my kids are in a better school than any in Goa. Oh, really? Interestingly, you deflected the question, whether you would send your kids to Goa, to prove your professed theory that: education in North America aint any better than in Goa. Isnt that what you are saying in your above statement? I clearly stated There is plenty wrong with primary education systems the world over. Goa is no exception. Two wrongs do NOT make a right - or does it? Another cop-out! There is no need to get defensive. While you may have the aptitude, you lack the ability to DECIDE anything about Education policy in Goa. The only ability you have is to decide which school your child attends. The last government withdrew funding for several schools and there was barely a wimper. Right! wimper (?) No; not even in Hinglish. Earlier Bosco said thus: We are talking about Education here. Not the job market. I don't think the economy and the related job market are part of this thread. And later he said this: So what is it that you are inferring but don't have the conviction nor the gumption to say directly? And how do you know who is paying taxes in India and who is sending money by hawala? Are you are saying that Education and Employment are NOT related, but somehow hawala is? Hawala is an illegal activity, Id think. Are you seriously advocating/introducing the hawala system vs other means of sending money? You may have voting rights; how many times have you voted? Having the right is one thing; exercising it is something else. Now, why would you be so concerned whether I vote(d) or not? Does it really matter to you in North America, on how many times we vote in India? Never mind your rights, which you are unable to exercise. You belie your own purported altruistic intentions by choosing to repeatedly eschew answering a simple question I asked you ? Are you saying you are psychic now? How do you know, I am unable to exercise my rights. Do I really need to reply to your provocative and gratuitous abuse? Cant I exercise my right not to reply to frivolous and irrelevant questions? :) When was primary education in vernacular languages introduced in Goa? NOW? Are the problems being observed NOW?? A decade and a half later?? Or are you waking up NOW because somebody in your family is being directly affected by this policy? Hold your horses, Bosco. Dont get personal about this. Before making false and preposterous accusations, and realizing youve put your foot in your mouth -- why dont you review
Re: [Goanet] EDUCATION IN GOA [3]
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Joe, In breaking with my two-posts per thread tradition, I'm back. To afford you another opportunity to explicitly point out what it is I said that lead you to make a string of inferences about things I did not say. But please don't raise your hopes - that people will take your sagacious advice seriously, based on your educational experiences in North America. Get this: If Goans were Eskimos, they would be living in igloos. ;) [Nothing against Eskimos, but don't expect people in Goa to live a lifestyle of the West.] RESPONSE: Get real! What kind of lifestyle are the people living now? What kind of language are you propagating they use as the medium of instruction in schools ? Hinglish? What kind of movies do people watch ? How are food consumption habits and dining patterns changing? What kind of clothes are the youth wearing these days ? What tools are students using while researching on the the internet ? Are youth going to internet cafes for research? Nevermind what Tony Martin said about porn. Do kids in Goa own a Playstation or an X-Box among other gizmos? What is all this - not a knock-off lifestyle of the west?? Do you really go to Goa, like you claimed in an earlier post? Interestingly, you make some perplexing points, based on borrowed advice (hearsay). If Goa's education system is as robust as you (and your western proponents) say, why don't you consider sending your children to Goa for a primary or higher education? RESPONSE: That's a cop-out! Are you really interested in a serious discussion on Education in Goa? I honestly cannot say that my kids are in a better school than any in Goa. Provincial results on standardized tests were announced yesterday for Grades 3 and 6. Not exactly something to crow about for many schools. This will help test your professed theory: that alls well with the education system in Goa. RESPONSE: Would you please point out when I stated the above? When did I say that alls well with the education system in Goa? Now, you are saying that since North America is experiencing high dropout rates, makes it okay for Goa to have phenomenal school dropouts? RESPONSE: I did not espouse the above. But you are welcome to twist what I said. BTW- in the US there are cases where students carry guns and shoot fellow students; so using your above analogy, what advice would you dispense to students in Goa? RESPONSE: School shootings in US / Canadian schools is not an everyday phenomenon. I have no advice for the students in Goa. What I have is advice for people like you who have their heads buried in the sand. Besides violence in schools in Goa (which already exists at different levels - no guns involved yet) there are/will be more 'improper' activities ongoing or ocurring in schools - remember the case of the kids in the Delhi school and the magical cellphone camera and other such vices. All imported from the west? I suppose no bullying goes on in schools in Goa. Still wearing your blinders? Check out how some youth are spending their Sunday afternoons at the internet cafes - you may classify that as indulging in entertainment of the west! Well, couch-potato kids in the west end-up leading unhealthy lives (physically). But your position is that nothing is wrong with Goa's education system. RESPONSE: Again, you choose to misquote me. That's your prerogative. I clearly stated There is plenty wrong with primary education systems the world over. Goa is no exception. Will the North American and UK settled Goans not allow those in Goa the privilege to decide what is best in their interest? RESPONSE: Another cop-out! There is no need to get defensive. While you may have the aptitude, you lack the ability to DECIDE anything about Education policy in Goa. The only ability you have is to decide which school your child attends. The last government withdrew funding for several schools and there was barely a wimper. BTW- Bosco, don't you think that I have the right to project my views based on my first hand experience in Goa, considering that: RESPONSE: Never mind your rights, which you are unable to exercise. You belie your own purported altruistic intentions by choosing to repeatedly eschew answering a simple question I asked you ? Are you really interested in discussing Education in Goa or grandstanding? 1. I studied in Goa, and by virtue of that fact I'm speaking from my
Re: [Goanet] EDUCATION IN GOA [3]
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro If you would like to sponsor Goanet's operations contact: Herman Carneiro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Bosco, Thank you again for your most enlightening post, as expected. But please dont raise your hopes that people will take your sagacious advice seriously, based on your educational experiences in North America. Get this: If Goans were Eskimos, they would be living in igloos. ;) [Nothing against Eskimos, but dont expect people in Goa to live a lifestyle of the West.] Interestingly, you make some perplexing points, based on borrowed advice (hearsay). If Goas education system is as robust as you (and your western proponents) say, why dont you consider sending your children to Goa for a primary or higher education? This will help test your professed theory: that alls well with the education system in Goa. On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:02:06 -0500 -Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joe, As expected, you had to take the cop-out!! you came back with a second round of sanctimonius absurdities. Nevertheless I'll indulge you with a response. On Sat Feb 24 10:04:19 PST 2007, Joe Vaz wrote: You say education is a societal issue and how did the society inherit this issue/problem? RESPONSE: Santosh has provided some social (societal) reasons. Sunith Velho has espoused some dramatic reasons. # 2) There is plenty wrong with primary education systems the world over. # 3) Dropout rates in rural areas will always be greater than urban areas the world over. Don't micro-manage Goa, only. Look up statistics for North America; they will mirror the information provided by Santosh (not to that extent). --- Now, you are saying that since North America is experiencing high dropout rates, makes it okay for Goa to have phenomenal school dropouts? Great advice from the west! Any takers in Goa? BTW in the US there are cases where students carry guns and shoot fellow students; so using your above analogy, what advice would you dispense to students in Goa? Goas Education Minister recently made a remarkable move to make amends to the education system, and Goas Archbishop has encouraged the steps in that direction. But your position is that nothing is wrong with Goas education system. Will the North American and UK settled Goans not allow those in Goa the privilege to decide what is best in their interest? BTW Bosco, dont you think that I have the right to project my views based on my first hand experience in Goa, considering that: 1. I studied in Goa, and by virtue of that fact Im speaking from my experience in Goa and its education system. 2. I have worked in Goa (temporarily), and I know the employment situation in Goa, which BTW has not drastically improved since past decades. 3. I have interacted with students in Goa, and to a certain extent helped/help them in enhancing skills, time and opportunity permitting. 4. I have interacted with teachers and parents in Goa, who confirm their students/wards are facing problems in schools more now than ever, with the introduction of primary education that is totally in vernacular language. The fact that private English-medium schools are growing at a phenomenal rate, undoubtedly proves that a BIG majority of parents want their kids to take up primary level studies in English teaching schools, even though it is highly expensive. 5. I am a taxpayer in India, with full voting rights and interest in Goa. Let those who wear the shoe say whether it fits or not. It is always convenient for those who do NOT have a stake in Goas education system to sanctimoniously pontificate what is good or not, for Goa. Best wishes, Joe Vaz Feb 27, 2007 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . All who have meditated on the art of governing mankind have been convinced that the fate of empires depends on the education of youth. Aristotle . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _ Gossips, movie reviews, photogallery and more http://content.msn.co.in/Entertainment/Default
