Re: [Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-3: HERALD(Goa), Aug 2, 2009
- Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) unveils his book, The Greatest Konkani Song Hits. Launch dates: Goa (Kala Academy) on 9 Aug. 4 pm. U.K. (Staines) on 15 Aug. Canada on 20 Aug and US on 30 Aug. Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com/ - It was his indomitable mother, maried to Lord Randolp, incumbent Chancellor of the Exhchequer and som the John Chuchill, Duke of Marlboroug who got him of from this and and many another daredevil scraps, including the Malakand Field Force account in his first book that candidly brought out the numerous gaffes by big brass in that campaign that led to many setbacks. For that also he risked court-marshal and demotion to ranks. Lord Kitchner, comanding the British African forces most vehemently refused his several pleas to be allowed to join the,then, the country's most renowned soldier declaring, with much colourful explective that he would never accomodate him in any of his regiments even as rank. However, the formidable Lady Churchill prevailed the intrepid noble men was not only commissioned a subaltern as well accredited to a Fleet Street newspaper...for reports from the front the greatest anathema for old soldier... Needless to say, he rendered incomparable service in both jobs ..eventually earmig estimation from even the choleric Lord K. and becoming a national hero, specially after incredible escape from Rodhesia to Mozambique, hidden in a train transporting bales of cotton Boers' manhunt for him was so extensive, he as their p-of-war the greates prize they could ever hope to capture... Alfred de Tavares From: valmi...@gmail.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:22:01 +0530 Subject: Re: [Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-3: HERALD(Goa), Aug 2, 2009 And how can you guys forget that Churchill, then a rating, minutes before his vessel's chief could move out to the door of the ramp, strutted towards it as if he were the boss and the host country's naval band struck up? The latter-day Sir Winston was almost court-marshalled from the Royal Navy! -v - Original Message - From: eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-3: HERALD(Goa), Aug 2, 2009 You got that right, Al. And Churchill made it to the North-West thanks to the chemin-de-fer, later the Bombay, Baroda and Central India, or BBCI Railroad, built by Parsee and Goan fitters trained by Jessup, Richardson Cruddas and Greaves Cotton. eric. --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Alfred de Tavares alfredtava...@hotmail.com wro At that time I had a pair of a half-rat-powered goanese servants, brought at a great expense from down country, who, the moment hostilities broke out, presented themselves with telegrams reporting deaths of their mother father respectively. _ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx
Re: [Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-3: HERALD(Goa), Aug 2, 2009
- Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) unveils his book, The Greatest Konkani Song Hits. Launch dates: Goa (Kala Academy) on 9 Aug. 4 pm. U.K. (Staines) on 15 Aug. Canada on 20 Aug and US on 30 Aug. Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com/ - Chacha dear, When I briefly sat (by a slip) in the chair of Margao Mayor in 1985, I regularly received telegrams from some *Bastis* in Uttar Pradesh. These told me I had become father for the third time in the year, or had lost my mother for the Nth time in the course of a few months. Of course, I had never moved out of Goa during the period. Didn't take me long to realise that most of Margao's then sanitation workers were *untouchables* from those North Indian Province *Bastis.* Our guys had a common *Balmiki* in their name. And our older Goan staff thought the telegrams were congratulatory messages for me :-) Rgds, v - Original Message - From: Alfred de Tavares alfredtava...@hotmail.com To: Goanet goa...@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-3: HERALD(Goa), Aug 2, 2009 Arr Bab Valmiki, At that time I had a pair of a half-rat-powered goanese servants, brought at a great expense from down country, who, the moment hostilities broke out, presented themselves with telegrams reporting deaths of their mother father respectively. Alfred de T...not to be belittled by Eric P
Re: [Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-3: HERALD(Goa), Aug 2, 2009
- Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) unveils his book, The Greatest Konkani Song Hits. Launch dates: Goa (Kala Academy) on 9 Aug. 4 pm. U.K. (Staines) on 15 Aug. Canada on 20 Aug and US on 30 Aug. Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com/ - And how can you guys forget that Churchill, then a rating, minutes before his vessel's chief could move out to the door of the ramp, strutted towards it as if he were the boss and the host country's naval band struck up? The latter-day Sir Winston was almost court-marshalled from the Royal Navy! -v - Original Message - From: eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-3: HERALD(Goa), Aug 2, 2009 You got that right, Al. And Churchill made it to the North-West thanks to the chemin-de-fer, later the Bombay, Baroda and Central India, or BBCI Railroad, built by Parsee and Goan fitters trained by Jessup, Richardson Cruddas and Greaves Cotton. eric. --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Alfred de Tavares alfredtava...@hotmail.com wro At that time I had a pair of a half-rat-powered goanese servants, brought at a great expense from down country, who, the moment hostilities broke out, presented themselves with telegrams reporting deaths of their mother father respectively.
Re: [Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-3: HERALD(Goa), Aug 2, 2009
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Some of those fitters (Goans) later left for Basra, Dharan, perhaps even Amman. http://www.flickr.com/photos/venantius/sets/72057594052672190/ And also Alcox Ashdown where there were Goans. I believe my father-in-law Sabino Castelino (Olaulim), was a draughtsmen, etc. venantius Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:09:34 -0700 (PDT) From: eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-3: HERALD(Goa), Aug 2, 2009 You got that right, Al.? And Churchill made it?to the North-West thanks to the chemin-de-fer, later the Bombay, Baroda and Central India, or BBCI Railroad, built by Parsee and Goan fitters trained by Jessup, Richardson Cruddas and Greaves Cotton.?? eric.
[Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-3: HERALD(Goa), Aug 2, 2009
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html The Danes (Denmark) had colonial possessions in India from1620-1845. That is 225 years. They did not do too shabbily beginning in Taramgambadi (on the Coromandel coast), later Tranquebar, and in Danish Trankebar. They were also in West Africa. venantius j pinto From: Valmiki Faleiro valmi...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-3: HERALD(Goa), Aug 2, 2009 G'bye Goa: Goan Emigration-3 By Valmiki Faleiro Imperial European powers generally did more bad than good in India. Between the Portuguese, Dutch, British and French, Britain profiteered the most. Portugal partly redeemed herself.
Re: [Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-3: HERALD(Goa), Aug 2, 2009
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Arré Babá Valmiki, Your quote from the precocious empirist, Rudy K, reminds me about comments on Goans, from another arch-empire-builder. Winnie Churchill, in his earliest opus, With the Malakand Field Foece, a report of one of the Afghan wars that drove Kitchner crazy, writes: At that time I had a pair of a half-rat-powered goanese servants, brought at a great expense from down country, who, the moment hostilities broke out, presented themselves with telegrams reporting deaths of their mother father respectively. OBS: Before Cecil acuses me with misquoting...let me confess I am quoting from 50- plus year old memory...but, the gist is pukkah! Alfred de T...not to be belittled by Eric P
Re: [Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-3: HERALD(Goa), Aug 2, 2009
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html You got that right, Al. And Churchill made it to the North-West thanks to the chemin-de-fer, later the Bombay, Baroda and Central India, or BBCI Railroad, built by Parsee and Goan fitters trained by Jessup, Richardson Cruddas and Greaves Cotton. eric. --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Alfred de Tavares alfredtava...@hotmail.com wro At that time I had a pair of a half-rat-powered goanese servants, brought at a great expense from down country, who, the moment hostilities broke out, presented themselves with telegrams reporting deaths of their mother father respectively. OBS: Before Cecil acuses me with misquoting...let me confess I am quoting from 50- plus year old memory...but, the gist is pukkah!
[Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-3: HERALD(Goa), Aug 2, 2009
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html G'bye Goa: Goan Emigration-3 By Valmiki Faleiro Imperial European powers generally did more bad than good in India. Between the Portuguese, Dutch, British and French, Britain profiteered the most. Portugal partly redeemed herself. Thanks to men like Garcia da Horta, Portugal gifted India, among other things, a host of plant life . from potatoes and chillies, from American aloe, China root, French coral tree, Guinea melon, Malay apple, to my killing tobacco! (Horta was a veritable plant exchange bank. He brought species from East Asia, Africa and the Americas to his gardens in Bombay. His house, later a British Guv's residence, still stands at the southernmost tip of the city, in the off-limits Indian Navy establishment south of Colaba. Former Deputy Director of Agriculture, Fernando do Rego, a senior friend and relative, catalogues 45 botanical species brought by the Portuguese to India in his *Influences of Portuguese Voyages on the Agrarian Economy of India,* read at a seminar on Indo-Portuguese history, Lisbon-1985.) In the Anglo-French battle for supremacy, a queer British interlude in Goa spurred the largest, longest, and yet surviving, wave of Goan emigration. Initially, to the rest of India and on the high seas. Then to Burma and Bahrain. And finally, to British Africa, West Asia and beyond. Let's go into that story as briefly as we can. Goa's economy continued to stagnate at the dawn of the 19th century. The British took advantage of the emasculated Portuguese presence in Goa, though the two had a peace treaty in place since 1642. Under the ruse of an imminent French invasion, the Brits forcibly made themselves welcome in Goa for 14 years, intermittently from 1799, until the Treaty of Amiens in 1813. While here, they spotted two assets: one natural, the other human. They discovered that the Mormugao harbour was better than their best three in India: Calcutta, Bombay and Madras. Mormugao was a deep natural harbour where a ship could enter at any tide and dock within an hour. It was evident that the Portuguese had neither the inclination nor imagination to exploit even a fraction of its potential. From then began a series of offers by London to Lisbon to develop and modernize Mormugao and connect it by rail to mainland India. When these evoked no positive response, London offered to buy Goa from Lisbon, outright for cash. When that too failed, the British beguiled the incumbent Governor who almost *ceded* Goa ... but was replaced just in time! The tenacious British eventually succeeded on Dec 26, 1878, when Sir Robert BD Morier for Britain and Joao Corvo de Andrade for Portugal signed the dotted lines of the Western India Portuguese (WIP) Railway Charter (reworked April 18, 1881.) That treaty gave Goa a modernized port and a railroad line across her geographic waist. Five lakh workmen, Indian and Chinese, girdled Goa, from Vasco to Colem. The Goan priest, Fr. Reginaldo Pinto, Vicar of Mormugao, baptized many Chinese, and later solemnized their marriages to local women. The human asset discovered by the British was a large idle populace of educated and not so, but denationalized Goans, well acquainted with the European lifestyle (read that as Goan Catholics.) A devout and docile people, honest and hardworking. Retreating officers recruited 3,300 Goan sailors for the Royal Navy, a few thousand as clerks, and a few more thousand as cooks, butlers, ayahs and nannies. Rudyard Kipling, who spent his childhood in Bombay, was later to reminiscence, My ayah was Portuguese Roman catholic, who would pray, I beside her, at a wayside cross. Soon, owners of the world's leading British shipping company, MacKinnon McKenzie, arrived and recruited sailors, particularly from Salcete, by the thousands. And thus began a deluge of out-migration/emigration by Goans to British India and beyond. Which survives to this day. Only a sprinkling of Goan Hindus out-migrated, that too, to nearby Indian cities, rarely abroad until 1961. Even today, Catholics account for three-fourths of the Goan emigration. P.S.: Internet trivia: at 12 hours 34 minutes and 56 seconds on 7 August this year, the time/date will be 12:34:56 07/08/09. It won't happen again in our lifetime! PPS: A local Editor, who once told of us of Goan coconut trees with branches,
