[Goanet] GBA's hoax unfurls
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Dear Rajan, I usually try to ignore your venom, but you just can't expect to get away with just anything that you rant. I didn't get into the GBA because I didn't have the time for it then, however, a lot of people did put in efforts that have bourne fruit. For over a week, until 2-3am, Patricia, Ritu, Solano and others had painstakingly complied an exhaustive list of land use changes from gazettes. This info practically saved the day when it helped individuals point out discrepancies in the village draft regional plans in Jan-Feb-March-April 2009. The GBA came out with a useful booklet, and conducted numerous sessions educating the villagers on how to identify discrepancies and complying with the formats the plans needed to be submitted to the TCP. Then there's the documentation, the presentations, interaction with media, photo documentation of violations, filing of criminal cases against the offenders, aiding those affected, working with the Government in preparing a new plan. All in all, the GBA did a lot more than simply photograph violations and obtain info through RTI. The reason why the Regional plan was withdrawn was because of the pressure of the people led by the GBA. Getting the government to draw up a fresh plan requires both sides to sit at the same table and discuss. That's exactly what happened. Now when this happens people want to criticize. Petty issues are made large. If the Government want to play dirty, it should be held responsible, not the GBA. Oscar may have lauded the chief minster in the past, but that was then, when the government was doing something positive, and not now when the Government is going against the people. This politics of pulling each other down is terrible, and exactly what the government needs to get their agenda across. When all was well with the GBA, it proved to be a front that the Government could not ignore. Today, what do we have? A lot of people that are upset with each other over petty issues and no longer have the will to work together just because of irresponsible statements, pulling each other down and comments like these. Right now, it appears that there no unified front to fight the Government's decisions? Besides the excess dosage of criticism, Do Mr. Rajan or Soter have any solutions? It's strange to see Soter criticize the GBA while being a member of it himself. Clinton.. Message: 3 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:56:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Rajan P. Parrikar parri...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] GBA's hoax unfurls To: goa...@goanet.org Message-ID: 411492.96068...@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To Goanet - Thank you, Soter, for laying it all out. Sorry, berther, no dice. You have ZERO cred. These rascals have finally been shown for what they really are. But we told you so many moons ago! The bigger tragedy is that Goa has lost valuable time. Let us once and for all get this right: thank you GBA for NOTHING. You got that? The GBA was one loud stinking flatulent joke on Goa and Goans. Regards, r
Re: [Goanet] GBA's hoax unfurls
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Dear Clinton, More than you may realise, I appreciate your thought process. It happened just days before the GBA was formed. Patricia was arrested for blocking the cutting of a tree. Oscar broke the news to me at Don Bosco's parking lot on my way to attend the seminar with the PRESS. When he saw the actual glee in my eyes, he was stunned. I don't understand you he said. You are happy?? Yes I had said, 'so happy that I would fire crackers if I had some with me. And I had explained to him this way. The shit had reached chest high all this while and rising. Now, with this arrest of Patricia, the shit has jumped right under the nostrils. Now GOANS WILL ARISE. And Oscar had understood and had relaxed. It was a prophesy. I would have been there a week later at the meet at Don Bosco's when GBA was formed, cause I lead GEAC (Goa Environmental Action Group). Unfortunately, I was interviewing some probable candidates for the 2007 Assembly Elections at Manvin's hotel and I couldn't make it. But it broke my heart all the way when GBA declared itself 'APOLITICAL' and remained neutral during 2007 elections. I knew then that GBA would eventually fail in the eyes of the multitude of Goan who had flocked to the Azad Maidan on 18 December 2006 to roar like ferocious lions and to send the tails of all politicians between their legs. That roar has eventually diminished to a meaw of a cat. You are right. We Goans need a vision. Not a sword to cut each other to pieces and gloat over it. We Goans must think in terms of politics. Those who think 'apolitical' are, at best, visionless idlers and time passers who will walk in and walk out from both camps at will. We Goans must decide where, which side, we want to be and remain firmly planted there come what may. GBA's apolitical stance have brought in the same rascals with even bigger margins. Is there any use crying over the spilt milk? Today what we see is these same elected representatives hiking their perks and salaries and also of the retired ones who might have not even lifted a finger for GOA while Goa goes in stinking to kingdom come. We Goans must ensure that we do not spill the milk once again in 2012 once again. Goa Afterall what runs our lives is POLITICS and nothing but POLITICS. And it would be STUPID if we remained APOLITICAL. [I think Oscar has long realised this fact] That does not mean that everyone should run around to contest elections. No sir. Rather, every one should look for a candidate who will persue the programme that people will want implemented, a no nonsense, written down, programme for GOA. And everyone collectively must go about electing that candidate, irrespective of whether he comes from timbaktu or the moon. In appreciation of your post floriano goasuraj 9890470896 PS: National Political Parties have no solutions for Goa. All they want is to have a good time at the cost of us Goans by keeping them divided. And sad to say, we have fallen for that. - Original Message - From: Clinton Vaz klint...@gmail.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 1:28 PM Subject: [Goanet] GBA's hoax unfurls This politics of pulling each other down is terrible, and exactly what the government needs to get their agenda across. When all was well with the GBA, it proved to be a front that the Government could not ignore. Today, what do we have? A lot of people that are upset with each other over petty issues and no longer have the will to work together just because of irresponsible statements, pulling each other down and comments like these. Right now, it appears that there no unified front to fight the Government's decisions? Besides the excess dosage of criticism, Do Mr. Rajan or Soter have any solutions? It's strange to see Soter criticize the GBA while being a member of it himself. Clinton.. Message: 3 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:56:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Rajan P. Parrikar parri...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] GBA's hoax unfurls To: goa...@goanet.org Message-ID: 411492.96068...@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To Goanet - Thank you, Soter, for laying it all out. Sorry, berther, no dice. You have ZERO cred. These rascals have finally been shown for what they really are. But we
Re: [Goanet] GBA's hoax unfurls
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Floriano, Its amazing to see people still learning the process after so many decades. One can rarely be apolitical, perhaps egalitarian and genuinely gracious. I cannot help but add here in humor: I may deeply desire and want to be apolitical, as in not resort to being uncouth and manipulative, (easy for mine to say) but announcing ones apolitical priorities would be asinine, when dealing with the vulpine and the porcine. Perhaps only the divine could prevent my being seen as an utter bovine, udder and all. Perhaps it was never a hoax, but just slipping down a scree patch off of the col.. venantius From: floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] GBA's hoax unfurls Dear Clinton, More than you may realise, I appreciate your thought process.
[Goanet] GBA's hoax unfurls
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Dear Goans, Have some leaders of the Goa Balchao Abhiyan brand fame got muck on their faces? For this we need to read Herald of today 31st July 2009. Their honeymoon with Digubab seems to be over. He now cares less for them as he has succeeded in diffusing public wrath through his chellas in GBA. With the news that Mr. Edgar Ribeiro has resigned from the government's steering committee on the RP, a politically over smart orator, who a year ago was so impressed with the CM's sincerity and adamant that GBA cooperates on the RP 2021, was finally shamelessly heard spitting fire at a meeting opposite T.B Cunha's memorial in Panaji. The orator has overnight started talking about green Goa when he was cheering the mega projects just a few months ago saying that housing is required. Can he publicly declare his stand on the 73rd and 74th Constitutional Amendment regarding self-governments? Truth has definitely prevailed after all the persecution to some of us who refused to agree with GBA trusting and flirting with the government. But these misguided Bachao kids thought they knew better. Now section 16 16A is coming back to haunt the GBA. A repetition of the RP 2001 is expected with the RP 2021. Will these leaders now publicly admit that they have blundered or will they shamelessly change gears and talk a different lingo and entertain the public? Peaceful Society and CSJP were ridiculed for not going ahead and accepting the pilot project on the village planning with false claims that they did not want to submit accounts. No one bothered to check the facts which are all on record. A migrant editor joinned in the chorus of these chellas in maligning our names as the saffron brigade in GBA. This tirade only strenghtened our resolve and the reason we recall these malicious attributions is to bring them on record and remind these traitors that we have not forgotten their stance one year ago. But there is something called 'Truth' which manifests itself in due course. Believers in 'Truth' may not be in a position to prove themselves right on the spur of the movement and that is why politicians prosper as they operate with short term goals of fooling the people by presenting 'Falsehood' as 'Truth'. We have not forgotten 8th of June 2008 when Mr. Ribeiro shockingly told us to stop demanding a proper planning process on the RP and to take what we get because that is how a government works. That Village Panchayats have no right for spatial planning, countering our claims on article 243ZD of the Constitution. What has happened now? At every GBA meeting we have repeated that we are dealing with bandits and rascals in the guise of a government. We definitely respect the seniority and experience of Mr. Ribeiro in dealing with governments but we definitely do not subscribe to his view that we should bow down and accept the crumbs thrown to us by an insincere government. When we bargain for 25% we land up getting nothing and that is what GBA and Ribeiro have contributed to Goa. There is no need to mention that some professionals in the name of GBA have greatly benefited in expanding their network within the Town Country Planning depatments and the Village Panchayats under th e guise of people friendly planning. We were shouting from day one that the present TCP Act should be scrapped in toto but professionals were not comfortable and wanted peice meal changes. Mr. Ribeiro at least had the guts to resign but these professionals who have one foot in GBA and the other on government committees continue to operate both ways. Who is fooling whom? We are not professionals and neither would we want to belong to this club of serpents. We just consider ourselves as unskilled Goans who have our eyes, ears and minds open to the 'Truth'. We have not changed. We have seen power and we have shunned power. But we will not compromise the interests of Goa and our principles for personal gains. We are not cowards to whisper against the government behind closed doors while externally dealing and negotiating our professional deals with the very same government. We did not have advisors when we dabbled in politics and got cheated by politicians time and again only to learn from our mistakes immediately. We have learnt to never expect a politician to be
Re: [Goanet] GBA's hoax unfurls
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html My friend Soter D'Souza has every right to criticise those he disagrees with or whose approaches he dislikes. But if he did so by name, they would at least have the chance of responding. I presume The Orator is our friend Dr Oscar Rebello, and The Non-Goan Editor is my one-time mentor (way back in 1983) Rajan Narayan. After closely covering the work of NGOs, activists and protest groups in Goa over the past two-and-half decades, I could say that the politics within the alternate movements in Goa are very intense, and almost each one is convinced that their own approach is right and everyone else is wrong. The Truth isn't as objective as Soter makes it out to be though. It often turns out into a matter of perception. While it is easy to criticise the approaches of others, we could recongise that the others are as convinced about the justness and appropriateness of their own approach. Given the kind of politicking we have in the dissent sector in Goa, I'm sure that the Establishment as well as lobbies of every kind knows only too well that, given enough time, they could just leave the critics to tear each other down... and they (the Establishment, the lobbies) will be back in business! FN PS: I'm sure Soter will not take to this post very kindly when we meet next at Cafe Prakash, but I think it needs to be said. I respect his work too, but disagree strongly with spending so much energies in pulling down each other. 2009/7/31 soter so...@bsnl.in: Dear Goans, Have some leaders of the Goa Balchao Abhiyan brand fame got muck on their faces? For this we need to read Herald of today 31st July 2009. Their honeymoon with Digubab seems to be over. He now cares less for them as he has succeeded in diffusing public wrath through his chellas in GBA. With the news that Mr. Edgar Ribeiro has resigned from the government's steering committee on the RP, a politically over smart orator, who a year ago was so impressed with the CM's sincerity and adamant that GBA cooperates on the RP 2021, was finally shamelessly heard spitting fire at a meeting opposite T.B Cunha's memorial in Panaji. The orator has overnight started talking about green Goa when he was cheering the mega projects just a few months ago saying that housing is required. Can he publicly declare his stand on the 73rd and 74th Constitutional Amendment ... -- FN * http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com http://twitter.com/fn M +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 http://fredericknoronha.multiply.com/ http://goa1556.goa-india.org Punctuality is the virtue of the bored. - Evelyn Waugh
Re: [Goanet] GBA's hoax unfurls
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html To Goanet - Thank you, Soter, for laying it all out. When I first spoke out on Goanet of the games played by the GBA leaders, it was met with shock in some quarters. After all, the lead man had positioned himself as the prince of Goa, the blue-eyed knight riding in to clean the Augean stables. Like most Goans, I stood behind him and GBA on Dec 18, 2006 at Azad Maidan. I believed then that these were men and women driven by purpose. Alas, it soon became clear that these GBA leaders were rotten fellows out to either aggrandize themselves or in it for personal gain. I needed no special insight to figure this out. All I had to do was keep my eyes open. Soon the blue-eyed wonder himself doodled praises for Digu in Gomantak Times (if I had not made an issue of it, it may well have passed unnoticed). I couldn't believe it - here I had with me all the evidence (collected through RTI on personal time and nickel - a job the GBA should have been doing) that pointed to exactly the opposite - that Digu and his cohorts were taking Goa to the cleaners, and the man charged with holding the govt's feet to the fire was singing bhajans in honour of the govt! It just didn't compute. I could understand the surprise of those Goans not in Goa when I first fingered the GBA. After all, they had been lead to believe all kinds of wonderful thinks about the accomplishments the GBA was said to have chalked up. But what about the fellows in Goa itself? Those loud impotent sycophants who continued to carry water for the GBA and its ex-convener? Now they want to change sides. Sorry, berther, no dice. You have ZERO cred. These rascals have finally been shown for what they really are. But we told you so many moons ago! The bigger tragedy is that Goa has lost valuable time. Let us once and for all get this right: thank you GBA for NOTHING. You got that? The GBA was one loud stinking flatulent joke on Goa and Goans. Regards, r
