Re: [Goanet] Gonadians - one response (2)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Mario Goveia wrote: However, if they have emigrated temporarily then maintaining their Goaness not only makes sense, but not to do so would be ridiculous. Their Canadian and American neighbors would know and respect those feelings, and treat them like the guests they are and not like pseudo-Canadians or Americans. There would be no expectation of being accepted in this case and far less angst all around. --- Helga do R. Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Mario, Before we waste any more key strokes you would have to define what Canadians or Americans are as opposed to the guests or the pseudo-Canadians/ Americans. Mario responds: Helga, Wasted keystrokes??? On a thread that YOU started? Heaven forbid:-)) It's all very simple, really! Canadians and Americans are natives of these countries, as well as those citizens who have immigrated irrevocably. These folks have no doubts that they belong to one of these countries. Pseudo-Canadian or American citizens are those who become citizens out of self-serving short or long-term convenience. They typically have extra-territorial loyalties and doggedly refuse to assimilate with the locals and often pressure their children to marry within their communities. They tend to keep themselves separate and aloof, which the locals can clearly see through, and mostly resent. Guests are those residents who live in these countries while proudly retaining their original citizenships. They have no emotional baggage about where they belong and therefore experience no angst or inter-generational uncertainties like the pseudo-Canadians or Americans. When you know who you are and where you belong, it is projected outward in your attitude and behavior and reflected in return, and any naive expectations and related angst just melt away. Now, let those keystrokes fly!:-)) ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Gonadians - one response
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hey Mario, Before we waste any more key strokes you would have to define what Canadians or Americans are as opposed to the guests or the pseudo-Canadians/ Americans. HRG However, if they have emigrated temporarily then maintaining their Goaness not only makes sense, but not to do so would be ridiculous. Their Canadian and American neighbors would know and respect those feelings, and treat them like the guests they are and not like pseudo-Canadians or Americans. There would be no expectation of being accepted in this case and far less angst all around. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Gonadians - one response
--- Helga do R. Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that you have commented on the major one (i.e. should Goan Canadians be Gonadians or plain Canadians which is what Mario wants you guys to be) would you care to comment on the minor? Mario clarifies: What Mario suggests, with all due respect, is that people who have emigrated irrevocably be clear in their own minds where they are from and where their future lies. In his never humble opinion, carrying around loads of sentimental and emotional baggage that results in a fierce opposition to assimilating into their surroundings, then complaining about not being accepted, is an excercise in self flaggelation. This does not mean denying or repudiating their heritage. It is important that their progeny understand that heritage and even celebrate it at events like Viva Goa. However, in the new world their descendants will soon be fractions of various other cultures and ethnicities and any residual Goaness will have to accept it's proper place within that mix. Then, for example, Viva Goa may have to share in importance with Oktoberfest. The worst scenario is when those immigrants who are unsure of where they belong IMPOSE their own sentimental baggage on their kids. They may succeed in brainwashing their kids, but the effect is unlikely to last more than a couple of generations, so they are simply kidding themselves. However, if they have emigrated temporarily then maintaining their Goaness not only makes sense, but not to do so would be ridiculous. Their Canadian and American neighbors would know and respect those feelings, and treat them like the guests they are and not like pseudo-Canadians or Americans. There would be no expectation of being accepted in this case and far less angst all around. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Gonadians - one response
Dear Cecil, I won't dignify any post that calls me mentally challenged, with a response. I think the quality of that post speaks for itself. I consider the topic closed from my side. Thank you, Selma --- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cecil Pinto responds: Only an a mentally (or identity!) challenged person could have taken it in any other way than with the humour with which it is intended. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Gonadians - one response
Hi Ben, Would it make you feel better if I told you there are Knights of this order? Check out http://gonadianknights.com/ Seems like my post has spawned two parallel discussions - not bad for an etymologically challenged oceanographer! Now that you have commented on the major one (i.e. should Goan Canadians be Gonadians or plain Canadians which is what Mario wants you guys to be) would you care to comment on the minor? Oddly or perhaps because I lack a grasp of the English language I thought it was the other way around? Helga But Gonadian? Ugh! The coinage betrays an abysmal lack of understanding of ethymology and how the English language works. I was shocked to read her piece. Best regards. Ben = ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Gonadians - one response
How abt 'Amigos' for American Goans...:) Edward Verdes Helga, can you come up with something similar for Goans in America, Australia, Portugal, England too. Regards, George ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Gonadians - one response
Toronto based writer Ben Antao responded to me privately regarding the term Helga has coined. I am sharing his mail below with you all with Ben's explicit permission. Cheers! Cecil == At 09:35 PM 8/22/06 +0530, you wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Ben Antao ben.antao at rogers.com Date: 22-Aug-2006 16:19 Subject: Gonadians To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Cecil: Please tell that Helga that she's has no literary imagination to coin that horrible word Gonadians. The word is dreadful in taste and mindless in style. Long before the Internet, I had written an article about Mel D'Souza, an illustrator living in Brampton, Ontario, in the Navhind Times (around 1993) and referred to Goans in Canada as Canadian Goans, that is, Canadians first and Goans second. Most other ethnic groups in this multicultural land prefix their identity with their orgins first, like French Canadians, Italian Canadians, Greek Canadians, etc. But I did not think then nor do I think now that Goan Canadians would be appropriate to describe us; hence I changed it to Canadian Goans. Silviano Barbosa who wrote an enthusiastic review of my second novel Penance, referred to me as a Canadian Goan, which is what I am. But Gonadian? Ugh! The coinage betrays an abysmal lack of understanding of ethymology and how the English language works. I was shocked to read her piece. Best regards. Ben = ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Gonadians - one response
I disagree with Ben. Gonadians is great coinage, especially if we Goans want to have a laugh at our expense. Helga, can you come up with something similar for Goans in America, Australia, Portugal, England too. Regards, George From: Ben Antao ben.antao at rogers.com Dear Cecil: Please tell that Helga that she's has no literary imagination to coin that horrible word Gonadians. The word is dreadful in taste and mindless in style. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Gonadians - one response
--- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Cecil: Please tell that Helga that she's has no literary imagination to coin that horrible word Gonadians. The word is dreadful in taste and mindless in style. ETC ETC ETC! Ben Antao prefers: Canadian Goans! Nasci jokes: Canadian Goans or Canadian Goons?? :-) :-) I have a lot of close blood relatives in Canada and USA; so please no brickbats! Nasci Caldeira On Yahoo!7 Messenger - Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Gonadians - one response to Cecil
Dear Cecil, There was no need to berate Helga publicly. Helga has no claims to being the literati of Goa. She had merely written a witty post on the subject of inculcating our culture in second-generation expats. Far from discussing the contents of her subject, I am dismayed that you saw it fit to discuss the coinage of a word no doubt written in jest. I'm sure Helga did not intend for this word to be included in the next edition of the Oxford dictionary, after due consideration from Cecil Pinto as to whether it merits such inclusion. After all, Cecil Pinto is the last word on words. No need to get your Gonads in a twist. Selma -- --- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Toronto based writer Ben Antao responded to me privately regarding the term Helga has coined. I am sharing his mail below with you all with Ben's explicit permission. Cheers! Cecil == At 09:35 PM 8/22/06 +0530, you wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Ben Antao ben.antao at rogers.com Date: 22-Aug-2006 16:19 Subject: Gonadians To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Cecil: Please tell that Helga that she's has no literary imagination to coin that horrible word Gonadians. The word is dreadful in taste and mindless in style. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
