Re: [Goanet] How the votes were split
One could not simply opt to purchase a government-financed trawler. In order to avail of the government subsidies (one for the trawler engine and the other for the hull,) one had to obtain a certificate from the Village Panchayat (VP) certifying that he belonged to the kharvi or fishermen community. Most genuine fishermen had little or no idea about the availability of the scheme but those who had connections with the Fisheries and Finance Department knew the tricks of the trade. As such, majority of the subsidized trawlers in the Sixties & Seventies were owned by non-fishermen who became fishermen by virtue of VP certificate. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna, Goa Mob: 9420979201 Of course, the Alemaos have been trawler owners, among other things. In the days when generous subsidies (and easily-forgotten loans) came the way of those willing to become trawler-owners, many politically-influential individuals simply took to this option. A hint of the role they would/could play later on in Goa's politics... or was it also a way of keeping down dissent in those crucial times? FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] How the votes were split
On 8 March 2012 20:31, Eugene Correia wrote: > I think it must be Yuri the first man in space. I doubt if the family > would name someone after a Russian communist. It would be good if any > goanetter from Varca or the surrounding villages can confirm it. If I'm not mistaken someone in the family *was* also named after Raisa Gorbachova. But those were times when her hubby was getting a great press from the West (just as Mickky and GVP are once again in the good books of the media here!) Andropov was seen as a USSR leader, much like George HW Bush's role in the CIA was promptly forgotten. FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] How the votes were split
Say asking about the bride's background after the honeymoon are we? Chu* does comes from a 'good' family background. He was never educated which is why he joined the merchant navy. People attribute it to the his father who was a small-time football referee and a simple, nice man. The people of Salcette are particular about backgrounds, by the way. C***hill was indeed the trawler-owner's assoc. boss and hung around the Vascu clock (tower).trawler business in the 70s-80s did not do very well- you know bangda went @ Re 10-for-three, five in Bogmollo. He wasn't doing particularly well from what one remembers. He likely lucked out in the trawler biz when he came handy as a l*nding agent for a certain Goichi who is not allowed in the state. The rest is history/destiny/what ever you want to call it. This I must say for him: he used his earnings from the merchant navy and invested in a trawler way back then. So he was ambitious. The trawler owners are dominated by the fishfolk community (this is not nice to say) but anyone who owns a trawler can contest and the unwritten rule in the south is you have to be Goichi to own a trawler, no exceptions. Ofcourse, you gotta know the difference between a peto-shi, sheo-teo and bang-do. If you have missed the press conference y'tday, do watch...(being played by local teevee stations). Hilarious..sounded like a true squealing p*gor the Chaplinesque figure called Eric Campbell (picture below)...the bit about the cameras, laptops and chips almost makes him sound like a tragedy king. http://silentladies.com/OSG31/Campbell03.jpg He can have his chips and eat it too now ya!!! On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Eugene Correia wrote: > I had heard that he was named after Yuri Gagarin. Today's OHeraldo > says Churchill was a "humble fisherman." I once wrote that Churchill > was president of the trawlers owners association and a friend of the > family said I had insulted him by saying he belonged to the kharvi > community. Though this person did not know the difference between the > two is altogether a different matter. He said Churchill belonged to > the Chardo class. Even on goanet I think I read once that he belongs > to the fisherfolk class. I know for sure Churchill was a seamen, among > other things. > > Eugene --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] How the votes were split
OOPS, I did slip from goajourno to goanet. Thanks Fred for bringing this to light. I think it must be Yuri the first man in space. I doubt if the family would name someone after a Russian communist. It would be good if any goanetter from Varca or the surrounding villages can confirm it. In the piece I had written that I used to see Churchill at the Bastani Restaurant when he stayed in the Varca club when he was a seamen. When the piece appeared in The PULSE of the GOA, in Toronto, it was none other than our dear Aires who informed Churchill that I have insulted him. I was told that Churchill was angry with me. Then I explained to his freind in Toronto that what I wrote are facts and nothing to show him in bad light. I had Aires just once or maybe twice then. He was upto his tricks then and he has continued to do so till today. He always wanted to be in the good books of politicians and he often fell out with them. That reminds me, wasn't Aires a speaker at one of the candidates meeting? I don;t remember the name of the candidate nor do I remember which party he belonged to. This came to my mind when he was complained after Govind Parvatkar of the BJP (Porvorim Constituency). Now he is after Eduardo Faleiro and Ramakant Khalap even before the new government is sworn in and takes vital decisions on those who were political appointees. Faleiro has done a good job despite the criticism from Aires and to some extent from me. I wanted the government to have this NRI meet every two years so as to save government money. I have nothing personal against Faleiro. I wish that the BJP government evaluates his work and make a decision either to keep the Commissioner's Post and then if Faleiro is to be retained or someone new appointed in his place. I don't care much about the chairmanship of the Law Commission. Whether Khalap stays or goes is immaterial to me and maybe to lot of Goans. Let the ball start rolling, or let the axe falls where it may. Eugene --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] How the votes were split
On 8 March 2012 18:16, Eugene Correia wrote: > I had heard that he was named after Yuri Gagarin. Today's OHeraldo > says Churchill was a "humble fisherman." I once wrote that Churchill > was president of the trawlers owners association and a friend of the > family said I had insulted him by saying he belonged to the kharvi > community. Though this person did not know the difference between the > two is altogether a different matter. He said Churchill belonged to > the Chardo class. Even on goanet I think I read once that he belongs > to the fisherfolk class. I know for sure Churchill was a seamen, among > other things. Since he was born in 1983, I would think Yuri Andropov would be the more 'natural' inspiration of such a name, rather than the more remote and almost-forgotten Gargarin. Admittedly, by this time he had been done with his KGB role and had been reinvented as the General Secretary of the CPSU. (Just as one of the Bushes would be, latter on, in another country and context.) OTOH, one can perhaps also co-relate the date of birth of others in the family and the global relevance at the time of Winston Churchill, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Raisa Maximovna Gorbachova, Archbishop-Patriarch, Don Jose Vieira Alvernaz, among others. For those who are wondering what the heck we are talking about here, I think Eugene (cousin of?) has slipped in shifting a discussion from Goajourno, where it started, to Goanet. See the end of this thread: http://groups.google.com/group/goajourno/browse_thread/thread/b03614a4c7434624 As far as the caste issue is concerned, which inevitably crops up in a Goan conversation, my understanding is that the Alemaos are Chardos, one of the dominant castes in Goa, though their family fell on tough days during their dad's generation. Sometimes, the contempt in the public discourse gets worse against Churchill and Co. when they're dismissed as kharvis (as if a traditional fisherman is any lesser human... in fact I would have had more respect for someone humble who shows what he is capable of, in whatever sense, positive or negative). Of course, the Alemaos have been trawler owners, among other things. In the days when generous subsidies (and easily-forgotten loans) came the way of those willing to become trawler-owners, many politically-influential individuals simply took to this option. A hint of the role they would/could play later on in Goa's politics... or was it also a way of keeping down dissent in those crucial times? FN -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Books from Goa,1556 http://scr.bi/Goa1556Books Audio recordings (mostly from Goa): http://bit.ly/GoaRecordings --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] How the votes were split
I had heard that he was named after Yuri Gagarin. Today's OHeraldo says Churchill was a "humble fisherman." I once wrote that Churchill was president of the trawlers owners association and a friend of the family said I had insulted him by saying he belonged to the kharvi community. Though this person did not know the difference between the two is altogether a different matter. He said Churchill belonged to the Chardo class. Even on goanet I think I read once that he belongs to the fisherfolk class. I know for sure Churchill was a seamen, among other things. Eugene --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
