Re: [Goanet] Indian ancestry revealed in massive study

2009-10-11 Thread Bosco Dsouza

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Much is now  being said of the Aryan-Dravidian divide.There is enough of 
evidence(read great historians like Romila Thappar) who very clearly show that 
India 
was invaded by the Aryans.and they brought in  Brahmanism to our country

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Bosco 




[Goanet] Indian ancestry revealed in massive study

2009-10-11 Thread Mario Goveia

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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:18:12 +0530
From: "Dr. U. G. Barad" 

I do not think that the article can be read to substantiate the Aryan
Invasion Theory.  But I am not an expert in this subject.

But around the same time, there was an article in The Times of India with
the title "Aryan-Dravidian divide a myth: Study".  It is available at:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/Aryan-Dravidian-divide-a-myth-Study/articleshow/5053274.cms

Mario observes:

All very interesting as part of history but worthless in judging an individual.

As the lone voice on Goanet of reason, truth and peace, I recommend to everyone 
on Goanet an adaptation of the most valuable and immortal insight of Martin 
Luther King, Jr. "I have a dream that my children will one day live in a nation 
where they will not be judged by their ANCESTRY but by the content of their 
character." 



Re: [Goanet] Indian ancestry revealed in massive study

2009-10-11 Thread Santosh Helekar

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--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Dr. U. G. Barad  wrote:
>
> I do not think that the article can be read to substantiate
> the Aryan Invasion Theory.
>

This is not true. The Nature article does support the view that Indo-Europeans 
invaded and settled in India as the Ancient North Indians.

The lay news story in Times of India, on the other hand, is misleading and 
confusing.

Cheers,

Santosh

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Dr. U. G. Barad  wrote:
> 
> But around the same time, there was an article in The Times
> of India with
> the title "Aryan-Dravidian divide a myth: Study".  It
> is available at:
> 
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/Aryan-Dravidian-divide-a-myth-
> Study/articleshow/5053274.cms
> 


  


[Goanet] Indian ancestry revealed in massive study

2009-10-11 Thread Dr. U. G. Barad

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In response to the article "Indian ancestry revealed in massive study", M
D'Mello writes: "In other words, the Aryan Invasion theory is
substantiated Can some one explain in simple terms please???"

I do not think that the article can be read to substantiate the Aryan
Invasion Theory.  But I am not an expert in this subject.

But around the same time, there was an article in The Times of India with
the title "Aryan-Dravidian divide a myth: Study".  It is available at:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/Aryan-Dravidian-divide-a-myth-
Study/articleshow/5053274.cms



Best regards,

Dr. U. G. Barad 




Re: [Goanet] Indian ancestry revealed in massive study

2009-10-10 Thread M.D'MELLO

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Sir,

In other words, the Aryan Invasion theory is substantiated
Can some one explain in simple terms please???

MD.

--- On Sat, 10/10/09, Goanet News  wrote:

>
> Indian ancestry revealed in massive study
>
> IANS
> First Published : 25 Sep 2009 03:19:58 PM IST
> Last Updated : 25 Sep 2009 03:58:48 PM IST
>
> LONDON: The largest ever DNA survey of Indian heritage has
> revealed
> that the population of India was founded on just two
> ancient groups
> that are as genetically distinct from each other as they
> are from
> other Asians. 




[Goanet] Indian ancestry revealed in massive study

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Indian ancestry revealed in massive study

IANS
First Published : 25 Sep 2009 03:19:58 PM IST
Last Updated : 25 Sep 2009 03:58:48 PM IST

LONDON: The largest ever DNA survey of Indian heritage has revealed
that the population of India was founded on just two ancient groups
that are as genetically distinct from each other as they are from
other Asians.

The findings of the study, conducted by a group of top international
geneticists, have strong implications for health and medicine, and
reveal important new information on caste in India.

The study shows that most Indian populations are genetic admixtures of
two ancient but genetically divergent groups, which each contributed
around 40-60 percent of the DNA to most present-day Indians, Nature
magazine reported Wednesday.

One ancestral lineage - genetically similar to Middle Eastern, Central
Asian and European populations - was higher in upper-caste individuals
and speakers of Indo-European languages such as Hindi, the researchers
found.

The other lineage was not close to any group outside the Indian
subcontinent, and was most common in people indigenous to the Andaman
islands, says the study conducted by a team led by David Reich of the
Broad Institute in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and Lalji Singh of the
Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology in Hyderabad, India.

Nature said that although India makes up around one-sixth of the
world's population, it has been "sorely under-represented" in
genome-wide studies of human genetic variation.

The Indian Genome Variation database, launched in 2003 to fill the
gap, has so far studied only 420 DNA-letter differences, called single
nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs), in 75 genes.

In sharp contrast, the study reported by Nature has probed more than
560,000 SNPs across the genomes of 132 Indian individuals from 25
diverse ethnic and tribal groups dotted all over India.

The researchers also found that Indian populations were much more
highly subdivided than European populations. But whereas European
ancestry is mostly carved up by geography, Indian segregation was
driven largely by caste.

"There are populations that have lived in the same town and same
village for thousands of years without exchanging genes," said Reich.

The authors of the study said the new genetic evidence refutes the
claim that the Indian caste structure was a modern invention of
British colonialism.

"This idea that caste is thousands of years old is a big deal," said
Nicole Boivin, an Oxford University archaeologist.

"To say that endogamy (the practice of marrying within a caste,
community or tribe) goes back so far, and that genetics shows it, is
going to be controversial to many anthropologists."

The study also suggests that Indian populations, although currently
huge in number, were founded by relatively small bands of individuals
- a finding that has clinical implications.

"There will be a lot of recessive diseases in India that will be
different in each population and that can be searched for and mapped
genetically," Reich said.

"That will be important for health in India."