Re: [Goanet] Is Anyone Surprised?

[Mervyn Lobo]

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Roland wrote:

> But the point, contrary to the article remains. If the Kafala fear, the
> fear of Liberty and of human rights had been predominant in their minds,
> they would have sent a telepathic message to their overhead bins. "Burn,
> baby burn".



Roland Francis,
I can always count on you to provide some comic relief here and this time
you hit the nail on the head.

Regardless of your stereotyped opinion of the Keralities, the fact remains
that the plane landed safely. Now take another look at a picture of the
plane. The only part that was damaged was where passengers normally store
their hand luggage.

I have no problems visualizing those in the plane, on the ground, reaching
out to retrieve their hand luggage - probably filled with passports and
travel documents - before it too was engulfed in the fire.

Mervyn
BTW, telepathic messages are the realm of pre-teen boys and superheroes.

Re: [Goanet] Is Anyone Surprised?

[Roland]

A seemingly good explanation, very well written by the article's author I must 
admit and relevant to the Keralite mindset, for after all the plane was from 
Trivandrum to Dubai and therefore filled with Keralites.

But his reasoning would scarcely apply to Gulf residents from other parts of 
India whose thinking is not as skewed as the average Keralite he speaks of and 
specially the ones who would opt for baggage over life.

Let me give you the mindset of the Goans in the Gulf for example.

Goans go to the Gulf for the same reasons as other people do, but the intense 
greed for money that the Keralites have, is absent. Why that is so, springs 
from many reasons: They know that if they remain in Goa, they will get by on 
employment and survival. Not so for others. Goans are more loyal to employers 
and  do not endeavour to change jobs for a few bucks more. They make the best 
of whichever spot they are in and it eventually works out for them.

Fewer Goans don't take their families than take them. They have a different 
outlook on life and prefer to have a good life at the cost of making less 
money. To the Keralite, specially the less educated ones, the objective of 
making and saving money is supreme. Being alone in the Gulf is the best way to 
do so. They will take the risk of their wives in Kerala going into depression 
and having other psychological and marital problems, their children scarcely 
knowing their father and a host of other problems that come with being absentee 
heads of household, so that they can make extreme money to build an extreme 
house back home in Kerala.

Because of these different mindsets, there is no 'Kafala fear' for Goans. If 
Goans have to go, they go. They end up going to sea or work in some dead end 
job in Goa. Or in today's world they will make a Portuguese passport and off to 
Europe.

For Goans, life and living is way more important than a laptop or a bunch of 
passports. We can blame the Portuguese for that mindset perhaps.

I do not mean to debase the Keralites in any way. Kafala fear or not, they are 
hardworking and enterprising specially the Muslim lot among them (the Moplahs 
from the Malabar
 coast). They start off with a small neighbourhood grocery store and before you 
know it they own a couple of large swanky department stores or supermarkets. 
They pick up Arabic quickly and become trusted assistants to Shaikhs and other 
important local businessmen often getting free visas from them and selling them 
for large amounts or doing their other financial dirty work, enriching 
themselves in the process. Many of them can probably buy the planes they travel 
in, rather than push to retrieve baggage at the cost of their lives like the 
less wealthy of them.

But the point, contrary to the article remains. If the Kafala fear, the fear of 
Liberty and of human rights had been predominant in their minds, they would 
have sent a telepathic message to their overhead bins. "Burn, baby burn".

Roland Francis
Toronto.

> On Aug 10, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Marshall Mendonza  wrote:
> 
> Here is an explanation for the behavior of the passengers who grabbed their
> luggage from the Emirates plane which crash landed.
> 
> http://scroll.in/article/813593/emirates-crash-when-you-dont-own-your-liberty-and-property-your-possessions-become-most-important

[Goanet] Is Anyone Surprised?

[Marshall Mendonza]

Here is an explanation for the behavior of the passengers who grabbed their
luggage from the Emirates plane which crash landed.

http://scroll.in/article/813593/emirates-crash-when-you-dont-own-your-liberty-and-property-your-possessions-become-most-important

Re: [Goanet] Is Anyone Surprised?

[Mervyn Lobo]

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 4:51 AM, Gabe Menezes  wrote:

> On 5 August 2016 at 20:06, Roland  wrote:
>
> RESPONSE; The Newspapers have published that this is not only and Indian
> phenomenon, it happened else where in "Frisco...
>  air travelers often ignore the order to drop everything, a fact
> illustrated in recent years by laden passengers fleeing a burning 777 in
> San Francisco or a Delta Air Lines Inc. jet that skidded off a snowy New
> York runway.
>
> Full read @
> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-04/crashing-b
> urning-planes-don-t-stop-passengers-from-grabbing-their-luggage




Gabe Menezes,
There is an infamous research report from an aircraft manufacturer who was
trying to meet the FAA standards for evacuating an aircraft. The company
had hired one hundred people at $100 per day to test the 'almost worst case
scenario' requirements - and met it several times. Then the company told
just five of the one hundred people on board that the first person to reach
the ground would get a $1,000 bonus.

Well, the company then had a tough time evacuating the plane in the
required time period.

In another research project, Sony paid people from the ghetto to valuate
their new colours of boomboxes and rank which one they were attracted to
the most. The yellow boombox got ranked the best colour (by the potential
consumers.) As the evaluaters were leaving, Sony offered them a bonus,
which was that they could pick up for free, any one boombox on their way
out.

Well, most of the people chose a black boombox and just a few picked a
yellow one.

Human behavior is difficult to predict. Predicting human behavior in an
emergency situation is near impossibility.

Mervyn
BTW, in N. America you can always reserve a seat by the emergency exit for
$10-20 more. That row has longer leg room than other rows and the scheme
works well for me

[Goanet] Is Anyone Surprised?

[Marshall Mendonza]

Were the passengers grabbing THEIR OWN baggage or other people's baggage?
The report is very clear.

Regards,

Marshall









*You can blame poverty in India for people looting accident victims'
valuables when lying wounded or dead on a highway road.What can you blame
for people blocking other passengers exit path in a frenzy to grab baggage
when their plane makes an emergency landing and is about to burst into
flames.Deccan Chronicle : Emirates plane crash: They ran after baggage, not
lifehttp://www.deccanchronicle.com/world/middle-east/050816/emirates-plane-crash-they-ran-after-baggage-not-life.html
Roland
FrancisToronto*

Re: [Goanet] Is Anyone Surprised?

[Gabe Menezes]

On 5 August 2016 at 20:06, Roland  wrote:

> You can blame poverty in India for people looting accident victims'
> valuables when lying wounded or dead on a highway road.
>
> What can you blame for people blocking other passengers exit path in a
> frenzy to grab baggage when their plane makes an emergency landing and is
> about to burst into flames.
>
> Deccan Chronicle : Emirates plane crash: They ran after baggage, not life
> http://www.deccanchronicle.com/world/middle-east/050816/
> emirates-plane-crash-they-ran-after-baggage-not-life.html
>
> Roland Francis
> Toronto


RESPONSE; The Newspapers have published that this is not only and Indian
phenomenon, it happened else where in "Frisco...
 air travelers often ignore the order to drop everything, a fact
illustrated in recent years by laden passengers fleeing a burning 777 in
San Francisco or a Delta Air Lines Inc. jet that skidded off a snowy New
York runway.

Full read @
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-04/crashing-burning-planes-don-t-stop-passengers-from-grabbing-their-luggage

-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

[Goanet] Is Anyone Surprised?

[Roland]

You can blame poverty in India for people looting accident victims' valuables 
when lying wounded or dead on a highway road.

What can you blame for people blocking other passengers exit path in a frenzy 
to grab baggage when their plane makes an emergency landing and is about to 
burst into flames.

Deccan Chronicle : Emirates plane crash: They ran after baggage, not life
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/world/middle-east/050816/emirates-plane-crash-they-ran-after-baggage-not-life.html

Roland Francis
Toronto