[Goanet] Karnataka debacle

[Nelson Lopes]

There is the law of diminishing returns. Once the plateau is reached the
slide downwards is iminent  True so that all good or bad things do not last
for ever.Success and failures rotate and alternate cyclically .It is only a
matter of time.Frogs pleaded for the God of log to be replaced.The bird as
the replacement devoured the birds.People thought that Congress of 70 years
need to be shown the door Hence ushered in BJP.The disappointment is with
large and voters are repenting  the experiment  The development of 9 years
is fed on a diet of slogans Intolerance , hatred and pseudo nationalism
that  rues the roost.The minorities are at the receiving end.Besides
unemployment  , corruption,  safety of women are under a dark  cloud.The
price escalation of daily commodities fuel,  gas, food grains ,oils etc are
at all time high burdening the average citizens  The accent is on building
grandiose monuments seeking to promote pride and so called culture.BJP
dayin and out floggs Congress party  tracing all ills at the doors of the
Congress.The progress of 70 years is being frittered away by selling spree
of the assets created by sweat and toil .The massive crowds at rallies is
paid audience.The  pompous rallies in which high and mighty are paraded
were cast into dustbin of history  of irrelevance To swallow the pride of
defeat some diversions had to be invented The dismissal of law Minister did
not provide the intended fodder to the propaganda mill.The controversy on
inauguration of Parliament came in handy to deviate the focus of Karnataka
fiasco.The pride of PM has been badly dented but not much talk about his
invincibility. The violence in Manipur helped to drown the sorrows of
mauling  in Karnataka  showdown .The voters have sent a clear message of
disatisfaction and blame game  While the banner of protest is raised
against so called dynastic rule of one family the all pervading monarch is
a bane of Democratic independent India  The ghosts of demonetisations, GST.
Terrorism  art 370 are haunting the nation's glory.Make in India has no
takers.  The indepence of judiciary  , free press  and pliable media
central agencies and law enforcement  apparatus,the hunting down of
opposition leaders   , the partisan roles of Govrrnors.destabilising
popular Govt by defections and poaching are eating into the fabric of
democratic India.Any dissent is met with repressive measures. The adamant
attitude in farmers protests   CAG , WRESTLERS agitation are a sign of
authoritarian militant approach.Ache din are here for BJP and its cronnies
While our PM is on a worldwide tours projecting pride of India there is
little to crow about here at home.The tiatrics and gimmicks of our leaders
are acknowledged by the world as and entertainment and circus Who is the
real leader of Indian Democracy The appeasement politics have its limits of
elasticity .Our leaders are perpetually in an election mode rather than
administration  and bolstering  the health of economy. Wake up India the
future is at stake


Nelson Lopes
Chinchinim
https://lopesnelsonnat.wordpress.com



Nelson Lopes
Chinchinim
https://lopesnelsonnat.wordpress.com

[Goanet] Karnataka

[Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا]

Fifth, it is only in three of the state’s 30 districts that Hindutva
politics has taken deep roots. These three districts, with 19 assembly
seats, form the coastal Karnataka region. The districts of Dakshin Kannada,
Udupi and Uttara Kannada have seen Kerala-like internecine political
violence. The BJP has made exaggerated claims of 23 BJP workers having been
killed by extremist Muslim groups. One of them was even found alive

.

https://theprint.in/politics/karnataka-elections-2018/why-hindutva-polarisation-hasnt-worked-in-karnataka/57613/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[Goanet] Karnataka elections: PM Modi’s comments on Mahadayi row to confuse voters, says Congress

[Gabe Menezes]

http://indianexpress.com/elections/karnataka-assembly-elections-2018-pm-narendra-modis-comments-on-mahadayi-row-to-confuse-voters-congress-5166527/
-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

[Goanet] Karnataka: India road victim bleeds to death as bystanders film

[Robin Viegas]

From: b sabha 


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-38839363
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India road victim bleeds to death as bystanders film - BBC 
News
www.bbc.com
Anwar Ali pleaded with onlookers to take him to hospital but they filmed him 
instead.




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[Injured Anwar Ali in hospital]Image captionDoctors say Anwar Ali could have 
been saved if he had been brought to hospital earlier

Footage of a teenage victim of a hit-and-run accident pleading with 
unresponsive onlookers to take him to hospital has caused shock in India.

Local media reported people gathered around and took pictures and videos of the 
injured teen, but did not help him.

Anwar Ali, 17, was taken to hospital around half an hour after his bicycle 
collided with a bus in Karnataka state.

He bled to death. Doctors say he could have survived if he had received medical 
care sooner.

The incident in Koppal district in Karnataka has revived controversy about 
people being reluctant to help road accident victims in India.

If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is 
why

India crashes kill 146,133 in 
2015

Can India really halve its road 
deaths?

Some activists argue that it is not a lack of compassion but an entire system 
stacked against helping road victims.

"The foremost reason is intimidation by police," safety campaigner Piyush 
Tewari told the BBC last year.

"Oftentimes if you assist someone the police will assume you're helping that 
person out of guilt."

Apart from the fear of being falsely implicated, people also worry about 
becoming trapped as a witness in a court case - legal proceedings can be 
notoriously protracted in India.

And if they helped the victim get to hospital, they feared coming under 
pressure to stump up fees for medical treatment.

In May last year, India's Supreme Court ruled that "good Samaritans" would be 
protected from harassment. Karnataka has also passed a law stipulating that 
people helping road accident victims would not be subjected to harassment.

However, correspondents say that many people are unaware of the rulings and do 
not trust police to follow them.

[Goanet] Karnataka: Century-old church vandalised in Udupi

[Robin Viegas]

From: b sabha 



Century-old church vandalised in Udupi

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[http://mattersindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/udupi_church-370x290.jpg]Bangalore,
 December 14, 2016: Vandals desecrated a century-old landmark Catholic church 
that runs two schools and a college in southern Karnataka, leaving behind a 
shattered statue and another partly damaged in the Sunday afternoon attack 
barely a fortnight before Christmas.

The intruders, however, could not enter the church building in Shirva, Udupi 
district, as all the doors had been well secured.

But the assault left a sour taste in the relatively peaceful district that has 
rarely seen such attacks on minority institutions.

Church sources said the 103-year-old institution - Our Lady of Health Church - 
in Udupi district, around 380km from Bangalore, had its usual Sunday mass but 
the authorities found the statues vandalised when they returned after the 
afternoon break yesterday.

The one completely destroyed was that of St Antony while a statue of St 
Lawrence had been displaced from its pedestal and damaged in the process, 
parish priest Father Stanly Tauro said.

The statues, both 2ft tall, were placed just outside the main door of the 
church, which runs the Don Bosco School and St Mary's school and St Mary's 
College on its 10-acre campus.

"Everything was fine when we left around 12.30pm (on Sunday), the usual time 
when everyone leaves after the mass. The incident was discovered after 3pm," 
the priest told The Telegraph today.

Tauro had immediately informed police, who arrived and took his written 
complaint.

"I have no idea who would do such a thing. But it appears the incident took 
place between 1pm and 3pm, when no one was around on the campus," Tauro, whose 
parish is home to around 1,050 Catholic families, added. "Unfortunately no one 
is around on Sundays (as the schools and the college were closed for the 
weekend).

Tauro said both the CCTV cameras at the spot were out of order. "We realised 
the CCTV system was dead when we checked it yesterday. I feel it was affected 
because of frequent power failures in this area."

Immediately after the complaint the police had deployed fingerprint experts and 
sniffer dogs. "This area has not seen any such incidents. So we are looking at 
all possible angles," Udupi district police superintendent K.T. Balakrishna 
said.

The officer said a special team had been assigned to investigate the case. An 
FIR has been registered under the penal code's Section 295, which deals with 
destruction and desecration of religious places.

Sunday's incident in Udupi was the first since March 2013, when a group of 
alleged Bajrang Dal activists barged into a Christian prayer hall and assaulted 
seven worshippers. Twenty Bajrang activists were later arrested.

- telegraph

[Goanet] Karnataka lost Congress won

[Nelson Lopes]

Karnataka Victory

The Congress is naturally euphoric and buoyed by the most unexpected
victory margin .The cause of defeat is more for the BJP to decipher rather
than the  reasons of victory. There are some fallacious , ridiculous causes
like entry tax of Goa State responsible for the decimation of the BJP, It
is only  a weapon of satisfaction for the beleaguered Congress set up in
Goa. However plausible it may seem,  it cannot sent shock waves throughout
the state of Karnataka. For the month long session in Goa, the marginalised
Congress in Goa  Assembly was practically rendered speechless

The change at the centre  displacing the shining armour of  NDA with all
their vain efforts  was  a vote for change. The recent trend at all
elections  held in different states, the desire for change is very evident.
It is positive that change alone keeps the politicians  on  their toes and
tenterhooks of anticipation. The wisdom is dawned on the voters that
promises and past performances alone cannot be taken for granted and are no
bench marks for the future delivery. The scams engulfing the UPA II in the
second term are indications of this malaise. In Goa ,the congress is
 nearly wiped  out and rendered impotent, albeit due to corruption and mis
governance and self-promotion  of their kin . The Gujarat results have been
on development platform actually visualised by the voters , in spite of the
vicious communal propaganda The role of Rahul Gandhi , Sonia had no
effect,. In fact he avoided the label of being marginalised and being seen
as ineffective by not plunging headlong in Gujarat politics

It is happy argument to the Congress to attribute the victory in Karnataka
to the young Gandhi scion No one will buy the argument, when he was
rendered  ineffective in earlier UP elections How else will the psycho
pants swear their allegiance to the first family and without whom they have
no relevance  in pan India politics.  It is not a crown to the congress
washing away all the sins of monumental scandals and neither a clean chit
absolving them of all known corruption under investigations. The infighting
in the BJP and the uncontrollable Yedurupa with galore of scandals have
cost them dearly. They did not realise  and under estimated the nuisance
value of Yedurapa and his ability to act as a spoilt sport. The defense of
the indefensible  acts of Yedurapa in office, counter weighing him against
the Congress cost them incalculably. Beside the State election are no
indices of Parliamentary elections, where the issues do not touch the
voters intimately and voters are not actively participating with a
 National purpose. Hence the state elections are a different ball game and
no indication of possible outcome in Parliamentary elections . The state
election results are on a different footing than  the   National elections
and the perception and reasons are varied

The Congress will be alluding itself, if it is under the impression that
the voters have given them a carte blanc to en cash on Parliamentary
elections with all the monumental scams that the congress is accused of It
is also premature to exclusively assign the victory to Raul Gandhi IN the
days to come the BJP will undertake a postmortem on the possible debacle.In
the mean time the Congress is basking in the glory of the win

Nelson Lopes Chinchinim

[Goanet] Karnataka: Cloistered nuns to vote. Goa MLAs for BJP | The CSF

[Con Menezes]

http://persecutedchurch.info/2013/05/02/karnataka-cloistered-nuns-to-vote-goa-mlas-for-bjp/

[Goanet] KARNATAKA: Drugs, booze, 'public sex'

[Bernado Colaco]

Whaat is going on in Kannadinga?
 
BC
 

Caught on camera, Rave party at Karnataka - Cultural fest or rave?
K'taka govt shamed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjSOMgZkpVw

In a major embarrassment for the Karnataka government, the
government's three day music festival turned into a rave party. This
incident first surfaced on the internet. Ironically, the location
chosen for the party is a well-known pilgrimage centre, the Sri
Krishna temple. The video sparked outrage from all quarters after
foreign nationals were found engaged in obscene activities in the
open.
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[Goanet] KARNATAKA: Drugs, booze, 'public sex' at govt 'art festival’ sparks outrage

[Goanet News]

Caught on camera, Rave party at Karnataka - Cultural fest or rave?
K'taka govt shamed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjSOMgZkpVw

In a major embarrassment for the Karnataka government, the
government's three day music festival turned into a rave party. This
incident first surfaced on the internet. Ironically, the location
chosen for the party is a well-known pilgrimage centre, the Sri
Krishna temple. The video sparked outrage from all quarters after
foreign nationals were found engaged in obscene activities in the
open.
http://www.timesnow.tv/BJP-Govt-sponsors-rave-party/videoshow/4395353.cms

Video: Drugs, booze, 'public sex' at govt 'art festival’ sparks outrage
Source: Dailybhaskar.com   |   Last Updated 21:42(07/02/12)

New Delhi: BJP-ruled Karnataka government has been under huge
embarrassment over the reports of the three-day international musical
festival organised at St Mary’s Island off Malpe coast turning into a
rave party with the Chief Minister denying the allegations and inquiry
ordered into the issue.

The Spring Zouk Island Festival 2012 hosted from February 3 by the
Udupi district administration and the Karnataka State Tourism
Development Corporation (KSTDC) to promote tourism globally, sparked
outrage from all quarters over use of drugs and alcohol by foreigners
who were found engaged obscene activities in open.

The public display of sleaze and sex not only shamed the state and
embarrassed the ruling BJP but became the burning issue in the
Karnatak Assembly.

The Udupi district is a stronghold of the BJP and a well-known
pilgrimage centre for the Sri Krishna temple.

The rave party in the BJP-ruling state has been a slap on the party,
which has often supported groups indulging in moral policing.

The alleged obscenity has become fodder for the Opposition parties to
attack the state government.

Two Congress legislators, including U T Khader and Gopal Bhandary,
raised the issue during Zero hour in the Assembly charged that 'liquor
was flowing like water and the participants were sported in an obscene
and nude dance in the rave party.

Denying the allegations, Chief Minister D V Sadananda Gowda said a
report has been sought from the Divisional Commissioner and promised
action against the concerned if any violation of law was committed.

“The deputy commissioner of the district said that there was nothing
obscene or vulgar about the festival. It was organised to promote
tourism along the coastal region of the State,” he told reporters.

Facing heat from various quarters over the alleged unethical behaviour
by foreign tourists, the state administration has also ordered an
inquiry into the issue.

“The government will ensure that public decency is maintained. The
Deputy Commissioner has been directed to take immediate steps to stop
such activities,” Gowda said.

Deputy Commissioner MT Reju too refuted the reports of the use of
drugs and ‘obscene activities’.

“The district administration rented the space. I visited the venue
twice and found nothing indecent. There was use of liquor and
cigarettes as the organizers had got permission from the excise
department,” he said.

However, some of the locals who were at the venue, alleged that
foreigners were skimpily dressed, and they were sloshed and engaged in
semi-nude frolic on the beach of St Mary's Island.

The video clippings too showed that the festival had gone extreme way
with the foreigners openly enjoying sex acts amidst the public glare.

About 600 couples, mostly international tourists, attended the party.

Some foreign couples allegedly indulged in sex in public view and the
police could not take action against them.

One of the couples has been caught in the act on camera, some MLAs
from the district claimed.

The sacred island was filled with semi-nude western tourists and
gypsies, thanks to the musical festival.

Spring Zouk is an international music  arts festival envisaged with
the incorporation of Indian and Western art, music, cuisine and
culture under one umbrella.

Drawing inspiration from the season of spring, which denotes the birth
of new life, Spring Zouk is the celebration of spring in the serene
and breathtaking locale of St. Marys Island.

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Re: [Goanet] KARNATAKA LOKAYUKTA SANTOSH HEGDE SHOWS THE WAY

[Venantius J Pinto]

Rajendra Kakodkar: Why did organizers keep him in dark about the sponsorship
of the very same mafia lobby..
vjp: Its easy to trust someone--say the person who extended the
invitation.The filthy always machinate at bringing others to their level. In
a sense it validates their position, that everyone is willing to get
something on the quiet--and may not be that conscientious, alert,
scrupulous, exacting, vigilant, etc.

It applies to free tickets in return for something, talking home pencils
from the office, using the expression labor of love to claim high
ground--when it is far from that, to making attempts at cornering. Different
degrees of the same thing. Many of us have been there--and hopefully
rehabilitated.

Its like Gat korya. dando laglo tor laglo / pod'llo tor pod'llo (excuse
errors in spelling).

Best.

venantius j pinto


Message: 3
 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:26:15 +0530 (IST)
 From: rajendra kakodkar rskakod...@yahoo.co.in
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] KARNATAKA LOKAYUKTA SANTOSH HEGDE SHOWS THE WAY


 Yesterday Karnataka Lokayukta was in Goa to interact with civil society on
 Lokayukta Bill. The seminar was organized by The International Centre. But
 when he learnt from a 3rd party that the event was sponsored by a member of
 the tainted mining lobby, he refused to be hosted?and bore all?expenses (Air
 travel, local travel, hotel) himself. He even refused to join the lunch. Why
 did organizers keep him in dark about the sponsorship of the very same mafia
 lobby, against whom he is fighting relentlessly? Many salutes to Hegdeji for
 showing Goan Civil society champions the way they should conduct themselves.


(DEL)

[Goanet] KARNATAKA LOKAYUKTA SANTOSH HEGDE SHOWS THE WAY

[SOTER]

What does Rajendra want to say? That Nandinis, Sonaks, Sandesh's and others are 
acceptable to him for the anti-corruption show? That hosting of such an event 
by ICG which is crafted by various corporates, politicians and bureaucrats is 
perfectly fine for an anti-corruption show? 
Why only politicians? Would real estate developers and land brokers sponsoring 
the anti-corruption show be acceptable? What about those advocates who are 
covering up for the ommissions and commissions of builders and miners but also 
allowed to hop onto the anti-corruption platforms? What about those so called 
activists who have no scruples in accepting sponsorships for their programs and 
excellence awards from the very builders and miners that control Goa's corrupt 
politics and ravage the countryside with mega projects and mining?  What about 
media persons who are employees of the media houses directly controlled by 
Goa's politicians, miners and real estate developers and are known to distort 
news reports to protect the interests of their masters? 
DO THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BE ON THE ANTI-CORRUPION PLATFORM?  IS THERE SOMETHING 
CALLED 'CONFLICT OF INTEREST' ?
Probably Justice Hegde was not briefed about these aspects or, else he would 
not have sat at the round table with the Judases of Goa?
Let the so claimed activists and media persons hopping around these days like 
grasshoppers to Save Goa from evils of mining and corruption be transparent 
enough by voluntarily declaring their ideological and political 
leanings/preferences and their funding sources for which we do not need any 
Lokayukta.

-Soter

[Goanet] KARNATAKA LOKAYUKTA SANTOSH HEGDE SHOWS THE WAY

[rajendra kakodkar]

Yesterday Karnataka Lokayukta was in Goa to interact with civil society on 
Lokayukta Bill. The seminar was organized by The International Centre. But when 
he learnt from a 3rd party that the event was sponsored by a member of the 
tainted mining lobby, he refused to be hosted and bore all expenses (Air 
travel, local travel, hotel) himself. He even refused to join the lunch. Why 
did organizers keep him in dark about the sponsorship of the very same mafia 
lobby, against whom he is fighting relentlessly? Many salutes to Hegdeji for 
showing Goan Civil society champions the way they should conduct themselves.
 
Why were corrupt politicians allowed to occupy centre stage in today's 
interactions with Santosh Hegde? Organizers (Nandini Sahay, Satish Sonak, 
Sandesh Prabhudessai) allowed Rane, Shantaram Naik and Khalap to hog limelite. 
One can understand Rane being the speaker (supposed to be neutral) and chairman 
of International Centre was allowed to speak. But what ideas did Shantaram and 
Khalap bring to the table? 
 
Shantaram, rather made a fool of himself by asking Hegde to maintain his 
reputation by not sharing the Lokayukta committee membership along with the 5 
ministers, thereby implying that the 5 congress ministers were tainted. 
 
What was more insulting was that while Hegde came on time at 10 am and occupied 
his chair, Rane came a good 40 minutes late. Sandesh Prabhudessai needs to be 
appreciated for suggesting that the media and the NGOs also need to be brought 
under Lokayukta.
 
Rajendra

[Goanet] Karnataka Governor takes on a CM

[Venantius J Pinto]

So how can something like this play in Goa. What would the plays be? (ps: I
am not asking for answers)/
http://tehelka.com/story_main48.asp?filename=Ne050211WhyGovernor.asp


venantius j pinto

[Goanet] Karnataka shuts down over Yeddyurappa's prosecution

[Gabe Menezes]

IANS, Jan 22, 2011, 10.14am IST
 BANGALORE: Many educational institutions in Karnataka did not open,
state-run buses went off roads, and a few vehicles were stoned Saturday as
the ruling Bharatiya Janata
Partyhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bharatiya-Janata-Party(BJP)
organised a daylong shutdown to protest governor H R Bhardwaj's move
to allow chief minister B S Yeddyurappa's prosecution over corruption
charges.

We have withdrawn bus services at most of the places across the state after
many were stoned, a spokesperson of the Karnataka State Road Transport
Corporation ( KSRTChttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/search?q=KSRTC),
which runs buses across the state, said.

The Bangalore http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/BangaloreMetropolitan
Transport Corporation (
BMTC http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/search?q=BMTC) said its
services in the city were not affected though there were instances of stone
throwing late Friday soon after Bhardwaj granted permission to prosecute
Yeddyurappa over corruption charges.

We will withdraw the services if our buses are attacked, a spokesperson
said.

In Bangalore, police clamped prohibitory orders that bar assembly of five or
more persons at a place for two days.

We have deployed around 18,000 police personnel on duty in the city to
maintain peace, a Bangalore city police spokesperson said.

BJP http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/search?q=BJP activists in
Yeddyurappa's home district of Shimoga, about 280 km from Bangalore, blocked
trains for about half an hour.

Most of the schools and colleges across the state declared a holiday fearing
violence. The shutdown, however, would not affect most of the IT firms as
Saturday is holiday for them.

BJP workers in north Karnataka towns of Hubli, Bidar, Gulbarga, Haveri and
Mysore, Tumkur, and other districts in south began protests late Friday
itself after Bhardwaj's sanction to file criminal cases against Yeddyurappa.


The permission to launch criminal proceedings against BJP's first chief
minister in south India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/India was
sought by two Bangalore-based advocates, Sirajin Basha and K N Balaraj, on
Dec 28 following the revelation that Yeddyurappa had favoured his kin with
prime land in and around Bangalore.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Karnataka-shutdown-over-Yeddyurappa-prosecution-turns-violent/articleshow/7339430.cms

QUESTION: Are right wing Goondas declaring that might is right?


-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

[Goanet] Karnataka govt. crisis

[Ravi Sangekar]

congress legislators in GOA hobnobbing with disgruntled bjp legislators does 
not come as a surprise, Goa's congress legislator's think of themselves as 
master manipulator's,because of this trait of theirs our govt is in shambles 
our legislator's should mend their house first,as for Karnataka govt 
Yediyurappa shall be better off dissolving the house.   

[Goanet] Karnataka iron ore ban to help Goa and Orissa

[rajendra kakodkar]

This proves that oversupply by many small players was suppressing the price 
realization for Indian ores. The Karnataka govt ban is boon in disguise. The 
Centre should have thought over this long back and controlled the exports so as 
to achieve maximum price for Indian ores.
   

In response to report on Economic Times: The Karnataka government?s ban on iron 
ore exports is going to benefit Orissa, Jharkhand and Goa. It’s our loss and 
gain for the other three states. Goa, notably, stands to benefit because there 
are no logistic bottlenecks. We expect Goan mines to ramp up supplies over the 
next two to three weeks, says Basant Poddar, MD of Mineral Enterprises, one of 
the miners hit by the ban.

Mineral-rich states like Goa and Karnataka are the major contributors to Indias 
annual export of about 120 million tonne of which 75% is procured by Chinese 
steel mills.

Mr Poddar?s frustration comes at a time when global iron ore spot prices have 
rallied by over $15 per tonne in the last three weeks on the back of lower 
shipments from India due to monsoons and the Karnataka export ban. Global iron 
ore spot prices, which were ruling in the range of $145-150 per tonne around 
the third week of July, have since rallied to as much as $165-170 per tonne. 
Global spot and future prices were ruling at around $130 per tonne about two 
months ago.

We are talking of nearly 2.5-3 million tonne of iron ore still lying within the 
state (Karnataka) which has still not been shipped,? Says Mr Mohan Raghavan, MD 
of SSTA Logistics. The mineral-rich Hospet-Bellary belt accounts for over a 
half of Karnataka?s 40 million tonne iron ore annual production. Of the 40 
million tonne produced, 75% is exported, mostly to China.

China, which has an annual consumption of close to a billion tonne of iron ore, 
sources close to 80% of its requirement from Brazil and Australia with India 
accounting for the balance.

Mr Raghavan says that while India may only account for 20% of China?s imports, 
the fact that it transacts on a ?spot basis? has an influence on the long-term 
pricing model adopted by Brazil and Australia. While prices have shown an 
uptick in the short term, traders and analysts say worries continue to persist.

?The one bright spot of economic data has been Germany while both US
and China are points of worry. Events in the second half of the
calendar year will determine how global iron ore prices move in the
medium term,? points out Mr Anand James, chief analyst with Geojit
Comtrade.

In fact, customs data showed on Monday that China?s imports of iron
ore from India plummeted for a second straight month, falling 21% in
July to 6.5 million tonnes with monsoons disrupting transport. The
shortfall was offset by shipments from elsewhere, with Australian ores
rising 10% month on month to 23 million tonnes, and Brazilian ores up
22% to 10 million tonnes. Australia, Brazil and India delivered 78% of
China?s total imports over the month, down from 80% in June.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/indl-goods-/-svs/metals--mining/Karnataka-iron-ore-ban-to-help-Goa-and-Orissa/articleshow/6423268.cms




* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Goa-launch of the well-received *Into The Diaspora
Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho on Aug 29, 2010 (Sunday) at 11
am at Ravindra Bhavan, Margao. Meet the author, buy a signed
copy (only Rs 295 in Goa till stock lasts).
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/

[Goanet] KARNATAKA GOAN ASSOCIATIONS - eMag , August 2010

[renebarreto]

Goenkars !! 

 Here we have an eMag from the Karnataka Goan Association news mag.


VOICE OF THE GOAN DIASPORA - Bangalore :
KARNATAKA GOAN ASSOCIATIONS - eMag , August 2010
http://globalgoanassociations.blogspot.com/2010/08/voice-of-goan-diaspora-bangalore-india.html



Please circulate ... amongst your friends and ... friends of Goa. 
 


renebarreto

Goanworld : http://worldgoan.blogspot.com/


WORLD GOA DAY 20.8.2010 WORLD KONKANI DAY

  WORLD ALLIANCE OF GOAN ASSOCIATIONS 
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[Goanet] KARNATAKA GOAN ASSOCIATION - BANGALORE

[rene barreto]

* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S *


Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training 
and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa 
and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com 
or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html




Goemkars !

Please join me in Congratulating Loulle Sequeira in being elected as the 
President of  the Karnataka Goan Association - Bangalore, India 

Karnataka Goan Association - Bangalore is a  very active Goan Association, 
a member and a great supporter of the WORLD ALLIANCE OF GOAN 
ASSOCIATIONS.

We wish her and her committee all the very best in the years to come - let 
us join hands with the Karnataka Goan Association and work together for  
a better Global Goan Community. 

I am sure  some of you will have the opportunity of visiting Bangalore at 
some time or another - do write to Louella  , send her your congratulatory 
messages and assure her of your support. 

Louelle Sequeira at  lou...@gmail.com
Do visit KGA website : http://www.kgabangalore.com/history.htm
 rene barreto
Overall Coordinator,
WORLD ALLIANCE OF GOAN ASSOCIATIONS
===
Don't LISTEN to what people say, WATCH what they do  (:

WORLD GOA DAY 

A day set aside  to CELEBRATE  our Goan Cultural Heritage,
a day to promise to help the  less fortunate in our Goan community:

==


  

[Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu intolerance.

[Vinay Natekar]

 Well said Selma.  Congratulations for dubbing  the entire Hindu community as 
Fundamentalist. It’s a pity that  the anti-Hindu, quasi-intelligent ilk, that 
you represent.
Surely you are euphoric about  a handful of  these misguided  elements in 
Mangalore   out of the 80 crore  Hindu community   who are apprehended and mere 
 allegiance of some  people who  have  indulged  in violence on churches and 
Pub  and are Hindu by faith is enough for you to call them Hindu 
fundamentalist and terrorists.
 The action of these few fundamentalist  gives you the leverage to equate  all 
the Hindus  with Jehadi  terrorists  and  it is become your leisure pursuit  
for  bashing all the Hindus of Karnataka  and now of Goa.
I think you are staying in Dubai ,  imagine  if you  had to accuse  the entire  
Muslim community of UAE as fundamentalist in local media over there , you would 
know the consequences  that your beheading would have been certain for 
blasphemy and  the footage would have been  uploaded on You tube for entire 
world to watch. 
I do not condone these violent acts, neither I am against criticizing these  
fundamentalist organizations like VHP and all the types of Senas and I do not 
mind  demanding  ban on these organizations. But labeling their acts  who are 
not representatives of  entire Hindu population  as Hindu extremism or Hindu 
Terror is outright prejudiced.
Regards
Vinay
Selma wrote on Wed Feb 4 01:21:50 PST 2009
Dear Marshall,Thank you for those news articles, which are chilling to the 
bone. In a perverse way, the Mangalore pub incident is good news, because now 
we know that no one is safe from Hindu extremism.  That sooner or later some 
excuse will be found to attack the disadvantaged and disenfranchised. It's 
interesting that India is paddling backwards so fast, we can't even catch our 
breath. In anycase, this should be a warning to all those going to vote in the 
next election. Vote BJP at your peril. And those who think BJP in Goa is any 
different, there is an old Goan saying, you can put the dog's tail in the 
cannon but you can't straighten it out.Cheers,Selma--- On Tue, 2/3/09, Marshall 
Mendonza mmendonza55 at gmail.com  
wrote:http://www.outlookindia.com/fullprint.asp?choice=2fodname090209fname=Cover+Storysid=1
 Regards, Marshall

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu intolerance.

[Carvalho]

Vinay,
Here are terms that are routinely used to describe people whose agenda is 
driven by a cocktail of politics and religion:

Zionists, Christian fundamentalists, Islamacists, Muslim terrorists, Jehadis, 
Hindu right-wing extremists. 

Now, if you were waiting for me to use the much more benign and euphemistic 
term, Hindu nationalist you are out of luck. In no way do these groups 
represent nationalism. 

And that old trick of trying to absolve these groups of the religious badge 
that they wear, is not going to work either.

Best,
selma




--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Vinay Natekar vinaynate...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Well said Selma.  Congratulations for dubbing  the
 entire Hindu community as Fundamentalist. It’s a pity that
  the anti-Hindu, quasi-intelligent ilk, that you represent.

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Mervyn Lobo]

Roland Francis wrote:

 And who would you term a reasonably neutral observer Santosh?
 
 
 
Roland Francis,
Thankfully, no one here will be surprised that you do not understand  what 
a reasonably neutral observer is.
 
 
Here is a quote from Roland Francis:
I am not an angel of God sent on earth to say I love everybody.
 
 
Clearly you do not understand what it is to be a reasonably neutral observer.
Either that or you do not care at all.
 
 
Explaining the term to you would be wasting time as, as proved, you neither 
understand nor care.
Marlon, has made the same point clear to all.
 

 Specifically which individuals on Goanet do you have in mind and whom
 would you find definitely not reasonably neutral?

 
 
This one is really cute.
Since you ask on a public forum, let me make it clear to all that you probably 
would qualify as the king 
of all  definitely not reasonably neutral people.
 
 
Mervyn1650Lobo


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[Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Marshall Mendonza]

Santosh Helekar:
He seems to be oblivious of the fact that relentless recycling of stale news
for shock value does nothing to promote the secular cause among people who
are suspicious of any kind of propaganda.
Response:
What one sees depends on where one stands. What is truth for one is
propaganda for another. What is happening today is important for one but is
stale news for those in denial.

Regards,

Marshall

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Santosh Helekar]

--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Is Marshall Mendonca, fabricating news or is he reporting
 news as it happens?


When one merely copies and pastes, the fabrication, if any, would have to be 
done by the partisan website from which one copies. When one circulates news 
reports from mainstream media outlets such as Times of India, one has to 
cherry-pick items that serve to promote one's own partisan agenda, and ignore 
other similar stories from other quarters e.g. murders committed by communists. 
Both types of activities have been noted on Goanet.

Cheers,

Santosh


  

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Santosh Helekar]

--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com wrote:

 What one sees depends on where one stands.


This appears to be an admission of bias in the conduct of this copy and paste 
campaign. Given this admission, it would be good to know what people of other 
perspectives have to say about these issues. I am particularly interested in 
what reasonably neutral observers have to say about issues affecting Goa and 
India.

Cheers,

Santosh


  

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Roland Francis]

And who would you term a reasonably neutral observer Santosh?
Specifically which individuals on Goanet do you have in mind and whom
would you find definitely not reasonably neutral?

Roland.

On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote:
 --- On Sat, 2/7/09, Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com wrote:
 What one sees depends on where one stands.

 This appears to be an admission of bias in the conduct of this copy and paste 
 campaign. Given this admission, it would be good to know what people of other 
 perspectives have to say about these issues. I am particularly interested in 
 what reasonably neutral observers have to say about issues affecting Goa and 
 India.
 Cheers,
 Santosh

And who would you term a neutral observer Santosh?

Roland.

[Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Marshall Mendonza]

 Marshall Mendonza  wrote:* What one sees depends on where one stands.

*Santosh :This appears to be an admission of bias in the conduct of this
copy and paste campaign. Given this admission, it would be good to know what
people of other perspectives have to say about these issues.
Response:
This is too funny and amusing. The poster assumes and concludes that the
above sentence applies to others but not to himself. Shows his egoistic
qualities and blind spot.

Regards,

Marshall

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Santosh Helekar]

--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com wrote:
 
The poster assumes and concludes that the above sentence applies to others 
but not to himself.


This is an obvious deception. I have made no such assumption. I have stated my 
biases quite clearly on many occasions. One of my biases is not to trust 
anything that is copied and pasted from what I consider to be partisan websites.

Cheers,

Santosh


  

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Santosh Helekar]

--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Roland Francis roland.fran...@gmail.com wrote:

 And who would you term a reasonably neutral observer
 Santosh? Specifically which individuals on Goanet do you have in
 mind and whom would you find definitely not reasonably
 neutral?
 

Hi Roland,

Good question. On the issues in question in Goa I would say Valmiki Faleiro, 
Basilio Monteiro, Vivek Menezes (VM), Venantius Pinto, Vivian D'Souza, 
Nandakumar Kamat, Prajal Sakhardande and Cecil Pinto, just to name a few.

Cheers,

Santosh


  

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Roland Francis]

On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote:
 --- On Sat, 2/7/09, Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com wrote:
The poster assumes and concludes that the above sentence applies to others 
but not to himself.

Santosh commented:
 This is an obvious deception. I have made no such assumption. I have stated 
 my biases quite clearly on many occasions. One of my biases is not to trust 
 anything that is copied and pasted from what I consider to be partisan 
 websites.

My comment:
I may point out that by saying from what I consider to be partisan
websites, Santosh is unwittingly but clearly betraying his own
partisanship. At the very least his subjectivity, while striving very
hard to demonstrate his non-partisanship and objectivity.

-- 
Roland Francis
http://roland-torontogoan.blogspot.com
+1 (416) 453.3371

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Santosh Helekar]

--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Roland Francis roland.fran...@gmail.com wrote:

 I may point out that by saying from what I consider
 to be partisan websites, Santosh is unwittingly but clearly
 betraying his own partisanship. At the very least his subjectivity, while
 striving very hard to demonstrate his non-partisanship and objectivity.
 

Roland,

Please read my comment carefully. I admitted it is my bias. I am biased against 
partisans and their websites. However, one can use objective criteria to 
recognize partisanship. You don't have to be a partisan to do so. 

Cheers,

Santosh


  

[Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Sandeep Heble]

Santosh Helekar wrote on Goanet: The only purpose then, that I can
think of, for anybody to continue doing so day in and day out by
spouting provocative rhetoric, or engaging in a single-minded copy and
paste campaign, is political, and it is tawdry.



My response:

I largely agree with Santosh's views on this. A one sided copy-paste
campaign is hardly what the doctor would order for a harmonious,
secular, progressive and a liberal society. If Hindu fundamentalism
exists in our Country, so does Islamic and Christian fundamentalism.

A quick google search directed me to the following links:

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christian_terrorism_in_northeast_india.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

There are a lot more links like these but the above 2 would suffice
for the moment, though I have not verified them for their
authenticity.

I have not followed this debate too closely but all that I would wish
to add for the time being is that the Christian Right-wing threat
looms as large over the secular and liberal fabric of India as that of
the Islamic or the Hindu Right-Wing. In fact, Christian fundamentalism
in the North East is threatening to break the very idea of India into
pieces.

Any person truly concerned about the progress of India and worried
about the religious extremism that prevails in our Country cannot find
faults with one while living in denial with the other.

Cheers
Sandeep

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Santosh Helekar]

Hi Sandeep,

I have seen that Stephen Knapp site. I usually avoid all such
partisan sites. I find this war between fringe websites revolting.
That is why I have serious reservations against people who peddle this type of 
information in a thoughtless manner. Did you see how Vinay saw Marshall's 
UCANews and raised him Haindava Keralam? What kind of madness is this?

If you go hunting for stories of crimes in which some religious issue
is involved, I bet there will be plenty taking place every single day.
One can support any narrative one wants by cherry-picking the right
cases. What good is this type of activism or journalism? What purpose
does it serve?

Cheers,

Santosh


--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sandeep Heble sandeephe...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I largely agree with Santosh's views on this. A one
 sided copy-paste
 campaign is hardly what the doctor would order for a
 harmonious,
 secular, progressive and a liberal society. If Hindu
 fundamentalism
 exists in our Country, so does Islamic and Christian
 fundamentalism.
 
 A quick google search directed me to the following links:
 
 http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christian_terrorism_in_northeast_india.htm
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
 
 There are a lot more links like these but the above 2 would
 suffice
 for the moment, though I have not verified them for their
 authenticity.
 
 I have not followed this debate too closely but all that I
 would wish
 to add for the time being is that the Christian Right-wing
 threat
 looms as large over the secular and liberal fabric of India
 as that of
 the Islamic or the Hindu Right-Wing. In fact, Christian
 fundamentalism
 in the North East is threatening to break the very idea of
 India into
 pieces.
 
 Any person truly concerned about the progress of India and
 worried
 about the religious extremism that prevails in our Country
 cannot find
 faults with one while living in denial with the other.
 


  

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Carvalho]

THere is no denying that a great many ills persist in our society, included 
among them are disparities in income and education, which I believe are the 
root cause of much distress in India.

But to this point in particular, I have one question to ask.

Is Marshall Mendonca, fabricating news or is he reporting news as it happens? 
To the best of my knowledge, he rarely has personal commentary to add. He posts 
links to news items, most of them appearing on the TImes of India, which is a 
reputable newspaper in India, the counterpart of the Times, and the Guardian, 
in the UK. One can fairly assume something printed in the Times of India, to be 
kosher.

This is just not right to villify Marshall for providing news items and me for 
commenting on them. I understand that as Indians we are all embarrassed by what 
is happening in our country, and we should be but we can't be in denial of it.

Best,
Selma


--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sandeep Heble sandeephe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Santosh Helekar wrote on Goanet: The only purpose
 then, that I can
 think of, for anybody to continue doing so day in and day
 out by
 spouting provocative rhetoric, or engaging in a
 single-minded copy and
 paste campaign, is political, and it is tawdry.
 
 
 My response:
 
 I largely agree with Santosh's views on this. A one
 sided copy-paste
 campaign is hardly what the doctor would order for a
 harmonious,
 secular, progressive and a liberal society. 


  

[Goanet] karnataka the new Hindu bastion

[Samir Kelekar]

Santosh writes:
Those who attack, vandalize or kill others marginalize and ostracize
themselves by their actions. No normal sane person would support these
criminals, so any generalization and extrapolation to society or community at 
large based on the atrocious actions of the few is gratuitous and
counterproductive. It tends to be insulting to normal people, irrespective of 
which community it is directed act, and even if no insult is intended.

The only purpose then, that I can think of, for anybody to continue
doing so day in and day out by spouting provocative rhetoric, or
engaging in a single-minded copy and paste campaign, is political, and
it is tawdry.

Practically speaking, what does it take to kill in a place like Bangalore?
40 people carrying knives and choppers can create mayhem if the law enforcing 
authorities just look the other way.

That is the danger. I agree that most people do not hate or are neutral,
but really neutrality is not enough, and one needs to speak up. Havent
you heard the dictum All it takes for evil to win is for good people
to do nothing.

In that sense, i am worried. Many a times, here in Bangalore i have
seen vociferous saffron flag waving crowds coming out in the streets
after India beats Pakistan in a game.

What is important is for the law enforcing agencies to be particularly
alert about such possibilities. And given that in Karnataka, the current
govt is not particularly sympathetic to such situations, it is very
important to shout at the top of one's voices.

After all, have the perpetrators of communal mayhem in Gujarat or Orissa
nabbed yet or convicted?

regards,
Samir





  

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Santosh Helekar]

Dr. Jen wrote:

Very worried, I must say. Any goon under some pretext is able to
indulge in violence/wrongdoing and many amongst us support him.

The very fact that some of our colleagues and acquaintances are able
to justify these violent acts is a matter of concern.


This is a very serious accusation. That there are some regular people
amongst us, and colleagues and acquaintances who support and justify
violence. I hope these people are aware that such accusations are made
against them in a public forum. The obvious questions to ask are:

What is wrong with them? Why are they so immoral? Is it their
upbringing, their religion, the fact that they are different in some
way or something else?

Cheers,

Santosh


  

[Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Marshall Mendonza]

Santosh Helekar : The only purpose then, that I can think of, for anybody
to continue doing so day in and day out by spouting provocative rhetoric, or
engaging in a single-minded copy and paste  ampaign, is political, and it is
tawdry.
Response: For those who wish to live in denial, they will continue to do so
and will find any number of reasons and justifications for their actions.
The poster instead of focussing on the message attributes motives to the
messenger in an attempt to obfuscate issues and divert attention. If these
incidents were not taking place, the media would not be reporting on them.
It is so obvious.
Like the chinese proverb says  you can wake up a person who is sleeping but
one cannot wake up a person who is pretending to be asleep

Regards,

Marshall

[Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Marshall Mendonza]

Sandeep Heble:In fact, Christian fundamentalism in the North East is
threatening to break the very idea of India into pieces.

Response: May I suggest that Sandeep brush up his knowledge of the Northeast
and its problems before firing from his keyboard? The issues in the
northeast are far from anything to do with religion or even religious
fundamentalism. The problems have existed since the days of the British due
to its history, its isolation from the rest of India, its tribal societies,
its under -developedness, its close ethnic association with neighbouring
countries and its mix of tribal and americanised culture. The British had a
difficult time governing these areas and assimilating these areas into what
is now India.

It is precisely such lack of knowledge of the region, its people and history
which puts these people off. I am confident that you will not be able  to
tell us off hand even the capitals of these states or their languages and
names of their tribes.

Regards,

Marshall

[Goanet] karnataka the new Hindu bastion

[Samir Kelekar]

It is precisely such lack of knowledge of the region, its people and history
which puts these people off. I am confident that you will not be able  to
tell us off hand even the capitals of these states or their languages and
names of their tribes.

Regards,

Marshall

I would certainly like to know more on this front. In fact, I have some very
good friends from Nagaland. They are tribals but all converted to Christianity.

I have heard a lot from the RSS brigade, as to what is going on in Nagaland, 
Manipur etc. In fact,  there are special laws out there to
curb any rebellions/ peoples' movements.

It is time the rest of India gave more attention to the North East.

The Kashmir issue is also very complex. A lot of Hindus have been forced
to flee from that place.

Surely, one can't have India to be secular only in some parts. 

regards,
Samir




  

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Carvalho]

--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 It is precisely such lack of knowledge of the region, its
 people and history
 which puts these people off. I am confident that you will
 not be able  to
 tell us off hand even the capitals of these states or their
 languages and
 names of their tribes.
 
 Regards,
 
 Marshall
-
Might I add that writer of Goan origin, who currently lives in London, Edna 
Fernandes, has written succinctly about the Nagas in her book, Holy Warriors. 
In no way do the Nagas consider themselves Indians. It is a travesty of 
justice, that we are subjecting them to and forcing them to be part of the 
Indian Union.  Such travesties should not be perpetrated in the 21st century.

India, resolve the issue of Kashmir and Nagaland. It is time.


Best,
Selma


  

[Goanet] karnataka the new Hindu bastion

[edward desilva]

Samir said:
Haventyou heard the dictum All it takes for evil to win is for good peopleto 
do nothing.

Then he goes on to say:
here in Bangalore i haveseen vociferous saffron flag waving crowds coming out 
in the streetsafter India beats Pakistan in a game.

Hi All,
That goes to show that there are no Good people in India, just BAD and the Ugly 
sorry, NEUTRAL.
It is not the duty of the Govt to ram 'good behaviour' down the throats of 
illiterate rowdy people.
These people are getting support and monetary help to make banners (cloth does 
not come cheap) and transport from BAD political parties in India.
Blaming the Govt every time a Bihari Shiv Sena supporter rapes a girl while 
living in Goa with monetary help from BJP party to feed himself and make 
trouble.
Is not an exemplary mode for one to say, All it takes for evil to win is for 
good peopleto do nothing. and Digu should resign.
Nasty people WILL come out with safron flags 'when they are supplied with', 
that flag is a BJP Shiv Sena backing for them, it is the duty of the BJP to put 
an end to it.
ED.


   

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Santosh Helekar]

Two things are apparent from the following post. The Roman numerals introduced 
by Selma might be appropriate to enumerate them.

I) The man is trying hard to deny that the motive behind his non-stop copy and 
paste campaign is political, and

II) He seems to be oblivious of the fact that relentless recycling of stale 
news for shock value does nothing to promote the secular cause among people who 
are suspicious of any kind of propaganda.

Cheers,

Santosh

--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com wrote:

 Response: For those who wish to live in denial, they will
 continue to do so
 and will find any number of reasons and justifications for
 their actions.
 The poster instead of focussing on the message attributes
 motives to the
 messenger in an attempt to obfuscate issues and divert
 attention. If these
 incidents were not taking place, the media would not be
 reporting on them.
 It is so obvious.
 Like the chinese proverb says  you can wake up a
 person who is sleeping but
 one cannot wake up a person who is pretending to be
 asleep
 


  

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Anthony C. L. Fernandes]

Sure India has progressed and is progressing, but in what direction?
Is this what we wish and want for our country and its citizens/
Tony


On 2/5/09, Dr. Jen Lewis jen_l...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Very worried, I must say. Any goon under some pretext is able to indulge in
 violence/wrongdoing and many amongst us support him.

 The very fact that some of our colleagues and acquaintances are able to
 justify these violent acts is a matter of concern.

 Jen
 ===
 From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu
intolerance.

 How worried do we have to be that sooner or later the majority of Indians
 in Goa and other states will want to assault girls in bars and kill
 Christians?

 Cheers,

 Santosh


 --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote:

  From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com
  Subject: Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu intolerance.
  To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
  Cc: mmendonz...@gmail.com
  Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 3:21 AM
  Dear Marshall,
  Thank you for those news articles, which are chilling to
  the bone. In a perverse way, the Mangalore pub incident is
  good news, because now we know that no one is safe from
  Hindu extremism. That sooner or later some excuse will be
  found to attack the disadvantaged and disenfranchised.
  It's interesting that India is paddling backwards so
  fast, we can't even catch our breath.

 Dr. Jen, PhD (UK)
 Vasco-da-gama, Goa

 Is it the TRUTH?
 Is it fair to all CONCERNED ?
 Will it build GOODWILL and BETTER FRIENDSHIP ?
 Will it be BENEFICIAL to all concerned ?

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Carvalho]

Well said, Dr Jen!!

We don't have to wait for girls to be assaulted and Christians to be killed in 
India, it has already happened.

And what is particularly worrying and disheartening, is that moderate, 
unbiased, secular Dr Santosh, seems to want to either be in denial of the 
gravity of the situation or find some tangential explanation for it.

Instead he chooses to think that Marshall's and my posts are in bad taste. 
Marshall is informing the public about what is happening. He is not fabricating 
these situation, merely reporting on them. If this is in bad taste, I wonder 
what constitutes good taste?

Best,
Selma
-


--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Dr. Jen Lewis jen_l...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Very worried, I must say. Any goon under some pretext is
 able to indulge in violence/wrongdoing and many amongst us
 support him.
 
 The very fact that some of our colleagues and acquaintances
 are able to justify these violent acts is a matter of
 concern.
 
 Jen
 ===
 
 How worried do we have to be that sooner or later the
 majority of Indians in Goa and other states will want to
 assault girls in bars and kill Christians?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Santosh



  

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Santosh Helekar]

This is what I think. 

Most people of any religious community do not hate people of other
religious communities, enough to commit violence against them or
impute evil motives to them.

Those who attack, vandalize or kill others marginalize and ostracize
themselves by their actions. No normal sane person would support these
criminals, so any generalization and extrapolation to society or community at 
large based on the atrocious actions of the few is gratuitous and
counterproductive. It tends to be insulting to normal people, irrespective of 
which community it is directed act, and even if no insult is intended.

The only purpose then, that I can think of, for anybody to continue
doing so day in and day out by spouting provocative rhetoric, or
engaging in a single-minded copy and paste campaign, is political, and
it is tawdry.

Cheers,

Santosh


Selma wrote:

And what is particularly worrying and disheartening, is that moderate, 
unbiased, secular Dr Santosh, seems to want to either be in denial of the 
gravity of the situation or find some tangential explanation for it.

Instead he chooses to think that Marshall's and my posts are in bad taste. 
Marshall is informing the public about what is happening. He is not 
fabricating these situation, merely reporting on them. If this is in bad 
taste, I wonder what constitutes good taste?




  

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu intolerance.

[Carvalho]

Dear Marshall,
Thank you for those news articles, which are chilling to the bone. In a 
perverse way, the Mangalore pub incident is good news, because now we know that 
no one is safe from Hindu extremism. That sooner or later some excuse will be 
found to attack the disadvantaged and disenfranchised. It's interesting that 
India is paddling backwards so fast, we can't even catch our breath. 

In anycase, this should be a warning to all those going to vote in the next 
election. Vote BJP at your peril. And those who think BJP in Goa is any 
different, there is an old Goan saying, you can put the dog's tail in the 
cannon but you can't straighten it out.

Cheers,
Selma


--- On Tue, 2/3/09, Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 http://www.outlookindia.com/fullprint.asp?choice=2fodname=20090209fname=Cover+Storysid=1
 
 Regards,
 
 Marshall


  

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu intolerance.

[Santosh Helekar]

How worried do we have to be that sooner or later the majority of Indians in 
Goa and other states will want to assault girls in bars and kill Christians?

Cheers,

Santosh


--- On Wed, 2/4/09, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu intolerance.
 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Cc: mmendonz...@gmail.com
 Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 3:21 AM
 Dear Marshall,
 Thank you for those news articles, which are chilling to
 the bone. In a perverse way, the Mangalore pub incident is
 good news, because now we know that no one is safe from
 Hindu extremism. That sooner or later some excuse will be
 found to attack the disadvantaged and disenfranchised.
 It's interesting that India is paddling backwards so
 fast, we can't even catch our breath. 
 


  

Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu

[Dr. Jen Lewis]

Very worried, I must say. Any goon under some pretext is able to indulge in 
violence/wrongdoing and many amongst us support him.

The very fact that some of our colleagues and acquaintances are able to justify 
these violent acts is a matter of concern.

Jen
===
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu
intolerance.

How worried do we have to be that sooner or later the majority of Indians in 
Goa and other states will want to assault girls in bars and kill Christians?

Cheers,

Santosh


--- On Wed, 2/4/09, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu intolerance.
 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Cc: mmendonz...@gmail.com
 Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 3:21 AM
 Dear Marshall,
 Thank you for those news articles, which are chilling to
 the bone. In a perverse way, the Mangalore pub incident is
 good news, because now we know that no one is safe from
 Hindu extremism. That sooner or later some excuse will be
 found to attack the disadvantaged and disenfranchised.
 It's interesting that India is paddling backwards so
 fast, we can't even catch our breath. 

Dr. Jen, PhD (UK)
Vasco-da-gama, Goa

Is it the TRUTH?
Is it fair to all CONCERNED ?
Will it build GOODWILL and BETTER FRIENDSHIP ?
Will it be BENEFICIAL to all concerned ?


  

[Goanet] Karnataka - the new bastion of Hindu intolerance.

[Marshall Mendonza]

Karnataka like Gujarat and Orissa used to be one of the most peaceful states
in India once upon a time.That is till the BJP took over. Karnataka is today
hogging the headlines but not for its IT prowess or cultured people. Goa is
next on the radar of these forces as the  gathering of hindutva forces at
Panjim showed last month. Read on for more details.

http://www.outlookindia.com/fullprint.asp?choice=2fodname=20090209fname=Cover+Storysid=1

Regards,

Marshall

[Goanet] Karnataka violated SC order by continuing work on Mhadei: MBA

[Goanet News]

Karnataka violated SC order by continuing work on Mhadei: MBA

Panaji (PTI): Anti-water damming NGO Mhadei Bachao Abhiyan (MBA) has
accused the Karnataka government of violating Supreme Court directives
by continuing work on Mhadei water project despite its assurance to
the apex court to maintain status quo.

The work by Karnataka Neeravari Nigam Limited to divert waters of
Kalsa tributary of Mhadei river to Malaprabha basin continues on a war
footing despite its assurance to SC to maintain status quo, Mhadei
Bachao Abhiyan (MBA) chief Nirmala Sawant said.

The Mhadei water diversion has become a crucial issue for Goa and
Karnataka. The Karnataka, from where the river originates, has planned
dams across its tributaries to divert the water to Malaprabha basin,
which according to them, is required to quench drinking water
requirement.

The Goa government and MBA, a non-government organization (NGO), has
been opposing tooth and nail the project, which they feel, will
severely hamper the ecology of the state. The case which was tossed
with various authorities and legal bodies is now pending in SC with
Karnataka assuring status quo in the matter.

The MBA has said that the project work has also violated Forest
Conservation Act 1980 and Wildlife Protection Act 1972 as the massive
silt is dumped into the reserved forest adjacent to the proposed
project.

The case is fixed for hearing on January 15 and hence we expect that
Karnataka should immediately stop the work What they are doing is
blatant insult to the apex court, MBA Convenor Rajendra Kerkar
reacted.

The project taking shape on Goa-Karnataka border at Kankumbi village
is aimed at augmenting the deficit in Malaprabha reservoir by
diverting 3.56 TMC feet of water from Kalsa tributary of Mhadei river.

http://www.thehindu.com/holnus/002200812151540.htm

[Goanet] Karnataka govt curbing Church

[marshallmendonza]

Aiz maka, falea tuka. Remember it is happening in Karnataka today, tomorrow it 
can happen in Goa. Goans need to be alert and speak out.
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1204764

Regards,

Marshall


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[Goanet] Karnataka Attacks - State Sponsored Terrorism says Deve Gowda

[Ancy D'Souza]

Karnataka Attacks - State Sponsored Terrorism says Deve Gowda

Mangalore: BJP's 'Gujarat Model' Showing Results in State - Deve Gowda

Daijiworld Media Network - Mangalore (SP)

Mangalore, Sep 17: Ex-prime minister and JD(S) supremo H D Deve Gowda
visited seven places including churches, Bishop's House and hospitals
in the city on Wednesday September 17.

Addressing a press conference at the end of his visits, Gowda said
that the atrocities unleashed on the Christians in the city and
elsewhere in the state, were part of the state-sponsored terrorism
unleashed by the communal government. Yeddyurappa has been claiming
repeatedly, that he will follow the Gujarat model of rule. The tragic
incidents that have shook the city and other places are the result of
his following Gujarat model, he charged. The heinous act of breaking
down Lord Jesus's hand was committed by some purverted persons with
sick minds,he thundered.

BJP's national executive was held at Bangalore and ex-deputy prime
minister L K Advani participated in it. He came to know about the
happenings here, but failed to utter a single word against them.
Instead, he simply advised the BJP government to continue with what
they have been doing during their 100-day rule, Gowda chided.

Hitting hard at the state government led by the BJP, Deve Gowda said,
that the state government is totally focussing its attention on the
coming Lok Sabha elections and that the party is trying to transform
Karnataka into a laboratory of Hinduism for that sake. Noting that
Hindu activists had engineered the trouble here, he wondered as to how
can the number of Christians arrested has far outnumbered their Hindu
counterparts. The Catholics were protesting peacefully and how did the
situation turned violent, making them to resort to stone-pelting?, he
questioned, suspecting the dubious role played by the policemen in the
developments.

Yeddyurappa does not tire of frequently referring to religious
conversions. Let him investigate and provide figures of such
conversions during the 100-day rule of the BJP in the state, he
demanded. Gowda said, that himself and other leaders have demanded for
a judicial probe into these disturbances, but the chief minister has
shot down the proposals. If the government does not relent and agree
for a judicial probe, we will continue to hold peaceful protests, till
the chief minister changes his mind, Gowda announced.

We have been working hard to uphold the dignity and secular standing
of the country. At the same time, the BJP has been working day and
night to tarnish the country's reputation. We will not allow the
country's image to get a beating because of the BJP. It will not be
allowed to crush the minorities. Deve Gowda is not a spent Force. I
will prove my mettle in the coming days, a spirited Gowda announced
at the press conference.

[Goanet] Karnataka chief secretary- Claims Goa is a part of Karnataka in an affidavit to Supreme Court

[D'Souza, Avelino]

NCP demands to file FIR against Karnataka's chief secretary 

Panaji (PTI): Goa unit general secretary of Nationalist Congress Party
(NCP)demanded that state should file a First Inforamtion Report (FIR)
against Karnataka chief secretary who, in an affidavit to Supreme Court,
claimed Goa to be a part of Karnataka. 

Surendra Furtado pointed out that Karnataka's affidavit in the apex
court has mentioned that respondent (Karnataka) reserves the right to
file the full history of Goa to show that Goa is a part of Karnataka. 

The issue had figured in the recently concluded state legislative
assembly session wherein chief minister Digamber Kamat had said that he
will ask for the original affidavit. 

Furtado, who is also NCP's spokesman, said `if state fails to file the
FIR, he would personally file one, claiming the affidavit to be 'false',
'malacious' and 'misleading'. 

The affidavit filed by Karnataka's chief secretary is an objection
statement to the application for impleadment filed by Goa Konkani Rajya
Ekikaran Manch. 

The manch has been demanding that Karnataka's neighbouring areas of
Karwar, Supa and Haliyal be merged in Goa as they comprise of Konkani
speaking population. 

The affidavit says that Haliyal, Supa and Karwar are integral part of
Karnataka since historical times. Even Goa was ruled by Kadamba dynasty
having its capital at Halshi in Khanapur taluka of Belgaum district.

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/002200808301521.htm

~(^^)~

Avelino

[Goanet] KARNATAKA: Chief Minister Promises Third Language Status To Konkani Language (SARNews)

[Goanet News]

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Chief Minister Promises Third Language Status To Konkani Language

By SAR NEWS

BANGALORE, Karnataka (SAR NEWS) -- Karnataka State Chief Minister H.D.
Kumaraswamy has promised to propose Konkani as the third optional
language in this southern Indian State.

Participating in the Konkani Federation Annual Fest January 28, in
Bangalore, the chief minister said he would soon direct the officials
to place the subject before the State Cabinet, as it is a long-pending
request of the numerous people of Karnataka, especially of the coastal
belt, including the Hindu and Christian community members who use
Kannada script for writing Konkani.

The Konkani Sahitya Academy (Konkani Literary Association) has been
proposing for the past several years the inclusion of Konkani in the
optional list to keep the language alive, the federation secretary
Father Charles Gomes told media persons.

A proposal to the government had already been submitted
with the draft of the school syllabi for standards six to ten. Plans
have also been chalked out to train the teachers of the 318 schools
run by the Konkani-speaking people in the State, said Father Gomes.

In the annual fest attended also by Archbishop Bernard Moras of
Bangalore, the Chief Minister felicitated advocate Shirtadi William
Pinto, Dubai-based industrialist Lawrence M.H. Mendonca, and principal
secretary of Karnataka Legislature, Robinson D'Souza, for their
achievements in their respective fields.

In the wake of several fabricated complaints and violence against
Christian institutions, Kumaraswamy promised that his government would
give protection to all sections of society.

My aim is to serve the people, particularly the poor, and not
sticking to power, he said.

Expressing regret over his failure to attend a tea party hosted by
Archbishop Moras in Bangalore during Christmas, the Chief Minister
said on that day he was held up at a function at Sira in Tumkur
district.

Earlier, Archbishop Moras, who celebrated the Eucharist with several
priests, asked the Catholics to be leaven in the society to portray
the Christian values of integrity and loving service. He recalled how
Mother Teresa saw in every person the face of Christ and served him or
her selflessly.

In spite of the being a minority in the country, the Konkani-speaking
Catholics can keep up their heritage of a value-based Christian
witness in the society and help in the development of their brethren,
he said.

A large number of Konkani Catholics from all over the State attended
the meeting held in the St. Joseph's Indian High School grounds,
Bangalore, and organised by the Federation of Konkani Catholic
Associations of Karnataka.

In India, the only State that teaches Konkani is Goa, but the script
followed is Devanagri.

[Goanet] Karnataka pushes for airport at Karwar/Seabird

[Philip Thomas]

http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=149839

K'taka to set up greenfield airports in tier II cities

JAISHANKAR JAYARAMIAH
Karnataka also plans to open the existing defence airports at Karwar and
Bidar for civilian operations. The government is understood to have written
to the civil aviation minister for building of terminals at these two
airports.  Goa is being told by the Navy that an airfield 'might' come up
in the second phase. Meanwhile, the Karnataka govt seems to be under the
impression that there is not just an airbase but an airport at
Karwar/Seabird. Maybe a figment of someone's (media's? imagination. Or is
Goa being kept in the dark? Who knows. Cheers.