[Goanet] May he Rest in Darkness - War Criminal
Not long ago, I was watching on TV a high powered proceeding on the analysis of the Vietnam War, chaired by McNamara (defense Secretary) and his counterpart - defense minister of Vietnam during the war. The meeting few decades after the war, and after a review of all the historical archives show that: all Vietnam wanted was to be an independent country. McNamara said to his counterpart, If all you wanted was independence, why did you not say so then? His counterpart replied,Does not the Pentagon or the State Department in the United States have history books? We have been fighting for independence from the Chinese for 1,000 years. Very telling how otherwise intelligent people (with a pre-determined mindset) can be so ignorant. So many innocent people on both sides had to die; for the lack of basic understanding from the leadership. From the web-link Fog of War: Mr. McNamara, You must never have read a history book. If you'd had, you'd know we weren't pawns of the Chinese or the Russians. McNamara, didn't you know that? Don't you understand that we have been fighting the Chinese for 1000 years? We were fighting for our independence. And we would fight to the last man. And we were determined to do so. And no amount of bombing, no amount of U.S. pressure would ever have stopped us. - Thach, former Foreign Minister of Vietnam, 1995, as recalled by McNamara. Mervyn Lobo Bob McNamara described himself as a war criminal. Here is the link: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Fog_of_War I sure am glad he was in charge of the Bay of Pigs invasion. I am sure El Supreme Commandante is glad too. If we live long enough, we will get to hear George Bush (43) uttering similar words.).
Re: [Goanet] May be Rest in Darkness- War Criminal
Mervyn, No doubt about it that McNamara was a very, very sharp cat. The kind of person who would probably be good in the present time, however bizarrely and brutally (I know war is brutal) he conducted the Vietnam war. My culling the excerpt from Andre Breton, the Surrealist alludes to McNamaras's responses as time wore on, which became more and more surreal. Albeit an extrapolation yet helps in a way to see such minds. That's it in a nutshell. Basically, have decided that if I say something then I may at least make analogies as seen through the lens of my visual background. Otherwise its time for me to move on. Nothing against anyone really in this convesation. So nothing against Mario, Marlon and you Mervyn. Goanet can be a good learning and sharing forum but the tone continually veers towards one upmanship and often forced analysis. I do not have interest in everything, nor have the inclination; in any case, very little help is ever forthcoming even on genuine questions, and certainly no substantive /conclusive behind the doors (outside Goanet) interaction. I have no qualms about appearing abusive against the powers that be, although none of it is directed at Goanetters, besides my occasional irate manner. It would be different if politicians and those in power were interacting on Goanet. No fear then, from afar or at close quarters. As one involved in artistic labor, I try my best to bring a perspective concerned with other ways of seeing (see Berger), having not seen Goan artists voice pretty much anything on this forum, other than the cartoonist Alexyz's through his weekly offerings which appear in the media. And as you know in the end its about none of them at all. Its how we learn to see or the path we walk on. Hope this bit of babbling meant something. venantius From: Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: [Goanet] May be Rest in Darkness- War Criminal Venantius Pinto wrote: Let him use in spite of all prohibition, the avenging weapon of the idea against the bestiality of all beings and of all things; and then one day when he is vanquished--but vanquished only if the world is world--let him greet the firing of the sad guns as if it were a salute. (OC I, 828) (from Andr? Breton by Mary Ann Cavs, in chapter 1924-53: Manifestos. published by Twayne). ? Venantius, I do not know what?the fuss is about. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Fog_of_War (del) Mervyn1650Lobo
Re: [Goanet] May be Rest in Darkness- War Criminal
Venantius Pinto wrote: Let him use in spite of all prohibition, the avenging weapon of the idea against the bestiality of all beings and of all things; and then one day when he is vanquished--but vanquished only if the world is world--let him greet the firing of the sad guns as if it were a salute. (OC I, 828) (from André Breton by Mary Ann Cavs, in chapter 1924-53: Manifestos. published by Twayne). Venantius, I do not know what the fuss is about. Bob McNamara described himself as a war criminal. Here is the link: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Fog_of_War I sure am glad he was in charge of the Bay of Pigs invasion. I am sure El Supreme Commandante is glad too. If we live long enough, we will get to hear George Bush (43) uttering similar words. Mervyn1650Lobo __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
