Re: [Goanet] No Goan Canecos in British East Africa (Response by Rose Fernandes to Eddie Fernandes)
-Original Message- From: Rose Fernandes 1. Kenya Gazette 28 March 1950 – Government Notice 333 under Appointments - looks like Gerard Montfort Bess was appointed District Commissioner, Marsabit, District ... 2. Kenya Gazette – 17 October 1950 - Government Notice 1131 – Wyndham Albert Wild looks like he was District Officer, Mackinnon Road, Terta District, Coast Province RESPONSE: Rose, So you have found a typo in the book. 1955 instead of 1950. Does it make any material difference? Since it is the nit-picking season, 1. You mentioned Gerard Montfort Bess instead of Gerard Montfort Bebb 2. You mentioned Terta District, Coast Province. You lived in the Coast Province so where is the Terta District? Little wonder Melvyn says, Goans don't tell the right story Since it has been claimed that that your review of Selma’s exhibition was meant to be sardonic. Does this also apply to the final sentence of your review which reads: “Well done and congratulations to Selma and the rest of the team for an uplifting insight” And does the smile you displayed in the photograph (http://bit.ly/13NyPJ0 ) at the event also a sardonic one? Please, instead of getting your new best friend to write on your behalf, can we have the answer from the horse’s mouth? Eddie Fernandes
Re: [Goanet] No Goan Canecos in British East Africa (Response by Rose Fernandes to Eddie Fernandes)
On 31 May 2014 17:18, Eddie Fernandes eddie.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: RESPONSE: Rose, Please, instead of getting your new best friend to write on your behalf, can we have the answer from the horse's mouth? Eddie Fernandes RESPONSE: I wrote as I saw it, no prompting from Rose. This unlike the post that was written by Teotonio R. De Souza on behalf of his friend who keeps his book by her bedside. Rose is more than capable of answering for herself if she chooses. -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
Re: [Goanet] No Goan Canecos in British East Africa (Response by Rose Fernandes)
From: Rose Fernandes is it generally true that those who DID NOT live in East Africa have now become so fascinated by what went on there, they have now become more expert that those who actually DID. The answer lies in a GoaNet post of 7 June 2013 by Rose Fernandes: … no where have I seen anyone with such a love for East Africa as Selma. For enthusiasm alone, she gets a five star rating coupled with a capital 'E'. She knows her East Africanders better than they know themselves and tells their stories with such passion it is as though she lived through these stories herself… Read the full review at http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2013-June/536904.html Eddie Fernandes
Re: [Goanet] No Goan Canecos in British East Africa (Response by Rose Fernandes)
On 29 May 2014 19:39, Eddie Fernandes eddie.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: From: Rose Fernandes is it generally true that those who DID NOT live in East Africa have now become so fascinated by what went on there, they have now become more expert that those who actually DID. The answer lies in a GoaNet post of 7 June 2013 by Rose Fernandes: ... no where have I seen anyone with such a love for East Africa as Selma. For enthusiasm alone, she gets a five star rating coupled with a capital 'E'. She knows her East Africanders better than they know themselves and tells their stories with such passion it is as though she lived through these stories herself... Read the full review at http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2013-June/536904.html Eddie Fernandes COMMENT: Ever heard the word sardonic? See also post on 16th May by Rose:- Contrary to how you think, you are now fast becoming my second best friend, the first place was taken a long time ago by someone else who I sincerely have and will always have the greatest fondness for. Unfortunately all the best search engines in the World cannot one help when it comes to living a life; I guess I am more attune to this than some having served in the Armed Forces! -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
[Goanet] No Goan canecos in British East Africa
Having seen some recent posts on goanet, I feel compelled to reproduce Professor Osborn Viegas's timely advice in one of his earlier posts: *Would you please consider stopping this seemingly endless thread, Inmy view, it has merely exposed a level of bigotry and literarydysfunction that transgress any editorial etiquette and are far fromdesirable. I am aware that only a small handful of correspondents havemisused editorial privileges in this way but it does nothing toenhance the face of the Goan Community at large* Time to heed the learned Professor's advice and not make ourselves the laughing stock of the world. Mervyn Maciel
[Goanet] No Goan Canecos in British East Africa (Response by Rose Fernandes to Eddie Fernandes)
Dear Eddie As you have proved yourself (in my eyes) to be the super detective on the super highway, perhaps you can use your detective powers to work this out for me. One of the photographs of The Book “A Railway Runs Through” by kind courtesy of Mervyn Maciel has this caption: Quote: District Commissioner Wyndham Wild, Marsabit, 1950……… Unquote: 1. 1. Kenya Gazette 28 March 1950 – Government Notice 333 under Appointments - looks like Gerard Montfort Bess was appointed District Commissioner, Marsabit, District Northern Province, with effect from 18 March 1950. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=5bJVGhFuKYkCpg=PA256dq=Kenya+Gazette+1950hl=ensa=Xei=E6uIU53xHYeQyASJooC4Cw; 2. 2. Kenya Gazette – 17 October 1950 - Government Notice 1131 – Wyndham Albert Wild looks like he was District Officer, Mackinnon Road, Terta District, Coast Province http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CTnVPp87xawCpg=PA907lpg=PA907dq=district+commissioner+wyndham+wildsource=blots=GmhdrZGUoYsig=sJAkXvSesxg6yda0NGOkslPqoNYhl=ensa=Xei=l6GIU67BB4OR7AaeooHwAgved=0CEUQ6AEwCA#v=onepageq=district%20commissioner%20wyndham%20wildf=false 3. 3. Kenya Gazette of 6 September 1955 under Appointments looks like Wyndham Albert Wild DFC was appointed District Commissioner, Marsabit District, Northern Province with effect from 1 August 1955 http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Fo2pIoOEY4ACpg=PP2lpg=PP2dq=district+commissioner+wyndham+wildsource=blots=Z7-AhDIoDQsig=fU1cwB_blv0uG8DuSvdczfp3nbEhl=ensa=Xei=vIeIU_naKsKYO4rtgOAKved=0CDQQ6AEwAw#v=onepageq=district%20commissioner%20wyndham%20wildf=false As you can imagine, I have now entered another State of Goan confusion and seek your valued assistance, could you advise me (if you know) just who was or who were (if there was more than one) District Commissioners of Marsabit in the year 1950? No point in me asking Melvyn, he comes out with his one liner, Goans don't tell the right story, besides he will definitely not know, this was before the time he was born and it also happens to be before the time I was born. Perhaps our learned people will find the formula and explain why we have this State of Goan confusion even today? Rose Fernandes Thornton Heath, Surrey, United Kingdom 30 May 2014
Re: [Goanet] No Goan Canecos in British East Africa (Response by Rose Fernandes)
On 28 May 2014 12:00, Melvyn Fernandes mel...@orange.net wrote: Dear Readers In his article in OHeraldo 27 May 2014, Professor Teotonio R. De Souza wrote: Quote: If it is generally true that those who do not write usually criticize, I have seen this happening to some extent in the Goanet forum, where quite a few cheap comments have sought to belittle the research efforts of Selma Carvalho. None of such loose-tongue critics have anything worth to show ? Rose Fernandes' response: Such loose-tongue critics have actually LIVED and most helped to develop East Africa (some still are) and their lives have plenty worth to show, their success not only establishing a thriving community but in all other aspects of their lives which has yet to be replicated in other parts of the world today. Did Professor Teotonio R. De Souza live in East Africa himself?Or is it generally true that those who DID NOT live in East Africa have now become so fascinated by what went on there, they have now become more expert that those who actually DID. Professor Teotonio R. De Souza then writes: Quote: The Indians in Mozambique had to suffer socially offensive nicknames, such as monhes (Hindus and Muslims) and canecos (Goan Catholics). They were invented by the Portuguese white settlers who hated their competition. I did not come across any such parallel in Selma's book Unquote: Rose Fernandes's response: I have now reached Page 63 of The Book and have yet to find any parallel at all of my life or those of the many families that lived around me in Mombasa reflected in The Book, now hoping that this is to come in the pages to follow. Never mind socially offensive nicknames the Indians had to suffer in Mozambique, there is also an interesting story involving segregation in Kenya on one of my all time favourite topics toilets for me to narrate in the future.. Rose Fernandes Thornton Heath, Surrey, United Kingdom 28 May 2014 RESPONSE: Dear Rose, Well said, may I also reaffirm that there was no colour bar practised in East Africa, else this would have been pointed out in the book read by the honourable Professor. This is remarkable as it was just published here, that there is 30 percent of the population is racially prejudiced in England and 16 percent in London. I do not know about Portuguese Colonial history but I have read that there were always poor whites amongst the very poor in the Colonies also there were a springling of the indegenious people amongst the higher echelons. This set Portugal apart from the other Colonisers. My Mum's cousin Acacio Camara (RIP) held a high post in Lourenco Marques and lived a more than comfortable life. Contrast this to only one Goan and probably Asian to held an European post in EAR H - Maurice Gracias The fact that none of this occurred in British East Africa is remarkable, or maybe this book was written not to upset the the powers that be who made it happen through the Lottery Grant. As far as the cheap shots that come from some quarters, one has to ignore it and take it in stride. Keep on selling those Insurance products I say to keep body and soul together. (Like you I am in the Financial Industry!) You have written it as you have lived it and nothing can take that away from you. Enjoy this short clip... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_sig_xyNI8 Having attended St. Teresas's in Nbi does not make me knowledgeable, also one having attended Xavier's in Mumbai does not make one a clever dick - far from it! Lastly personna shows, it is not unwittingly that one spouts profane and insulting language, it is done deliberately to portray oneself as better than others - such bigotry has no place amongst decent, educated Goans. -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
[Goanet] No Goan Canecos in British East Africa (Response to Roland Francis by Rose Fernandes)
Dear Roland Good to hear from you as always via goanet. Don't look forward and whet your appetite too much, unfortunately I won't be able to include any English Cadbury chocolate stories in my book as my pet rat called Roland hates them. Rose Fernandes Thornton Heath, Surrey, United Kingdom 29 May 2014
[Goanet] No Goan Canecos in British East Africa (Response by Rose Fernandes)
Dear Readers In his article in OHeraldo 27 May 2014, Professor Teotonio R. De Souza wrote: Quote: If it is generally true that those who do not write usually criticize, I have seen this happening to some extent in the Goanet forum, where quite a few cheap comments have sought to belittle the research efforts of Selma Carvalho. None of such loose-tongue critics have anything worth to show ? Rose Fernandes' response: Such loose-tongue critics have actually LIVED and most helped to develop East Africa (some still are) and their lives have plenty worth to show, their success not only establishing a thriving community but in all other aspects of their lives which has yet to be replicated in other parts of the world today. Did Professor Teotonio R. De Souza live in East Africa himself? Or is it generally true that those who DID NOT live in East Africa have now become so fascinated by what went on there, they have now become more expert that those who actually DID. Professor Teotonio R. De Souza then writes: Quote: The Indians in Mozambique had to suffer socially offensive nicknames, such as monhes (Hindus and Muslims) and canecos (Goan Catholics). They were invented by the Portuguese white settlers who hated their competition. I did not come across any such parallel in Selma's book Unquote: Rose Fernandes's response: I have now reached Page 63 of The Book and have yet to find any parallel at all of my life or those of the many families that lived around me in Mombasa reflected in The Book, now hoping that this is to come in the pages to follow. Never mind socially offensive nicknames the Indians had to suffer in Mozambique, there is also an interesting story involving segregation in Kenya on one of my all time favourite topics toilets for me to narrate in the future.. Rose Fernandes Thornton Heath, Surrey, United Kingdom 28 May 2014
Re: [Goanet] No Goan Canecos in British East Africa (Response by Rose Fernandes)
Aah, a forthcoming book by Rose Fernandes. I shall look forward to it, expecting to hear again about English Cadbury's chocolates that you take to Goa on every trip. Roland. Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: Melvyn Fernandes mel...@orange.net Date: 05-28-2014 7:00 AM (GMT-05:00) To: goanet [goanet] goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] No Goan Canecos in British East Africa (Response by Rose Fernandes) Dear Readers In his article in OHeraldo 27 May 2014, Professor Teotonio R. De Souza wrote: Quote: If it is generally true that those who do not write usually criticize, I have seen this happening to some extent in the Goanet forum, where quite a few cheap comments have sought to belittle the research efforts of Selma Carvalho. None of such loose-tongue critics have anything worth to show ? Rose Fernandes' response: Such loose-tongue critics have actually LIVED and most helped to develop East Africa (some still are) and their lives have plenty worth to show, their success not only establishing a thriving community but in all other aspects of their lives which has yet to be replicated in other parts of the world today. Did Professor Teotonio R. De Souza live in East Africa himself? Or is it generally true that those who DID NOT live in East Africa have now become so fascinated by what went on there, they have now become more expert that those who actually DID. Professor Teotonio R. De Souza then writes: Quote: The Indians in Mozambique had to suffer socially offensive nicknames, such as monhes (Hindus and Muslims) and canecos (Goan Catholics). They were invented by the Portuguese white settlers who hated their competition. I did not come across any such parallel in Selma's book Unquote: Rose Fernandes's response: I have now reached Page 63 of The Book and have yet to find any parallel at all of my life or those of the many families that lived around me in Mombasa reflected in The Book, now hoping that this is to come in the pages to follow. Never mind socially offensive nicknames the Indians had to suffer in Mozambique, there is also an interesting story involving segregation in Kenya on one of my all time favourite topics toilets for me to narrate in the future.. Rose Fernandes Thornton Heath, Surrey, United Kingdom 28 May 2014
Re: [Goanet] No Goan Canecos in British East Africa (Response by Rose Fernandes)
On May 28, 2014, at 7:00 AM, Melvyn Fernandes mel...@orange.net wrote: Professor Teotonio R. De Souza then writes: The Indians in Mozambique had to suffer socially offensive nicknames, such as monhes (Hindus and Muslims) and canecos (Goan Catholics). They were invented by the Portuguese white settlers who hated their competition COMMENT: 1: I applaud Selma's effort in producing this book. 2: IMHO Teotonio's statement is distracting from Selma's effort. 3: Still do not understand what Teotonio's pet bitter-peeve has to do with Selma's book. 4: Is he saying that the Portuguese invited Goans into Mozambique because they hated 'competition' ? 5: Just imagine what benefit we would see in the Indian 'Scheduled' population keeping on harping about the names the Brahmins called them .never mind the Apartheid they subjected them to for eternity. jc
[Goanet] No Goan Canecos in British East Africa
Source: Herald (Goa), 27 May 2014. By: Prof Teotonio R. de Souza Excerpts: Selma Carvalho's A Railway Runs Through (2014) is a praiseworthy collection of oral traditions and memories of Goans who have moved out from British East Africa to England, Canada and elsewhere If it is generally true that those who do not write usually criticize, I have seen this happening to some extent in the Goanet forum, where quite a few cheap comments have sought to belittle the research efforts of Selma Carvalho. None of such loose-tongue critics have anything worth to show The Indians in Mozambique had to suffer socially offensive nicknames, such as monhés (Hindus and Muslims) and canecos (Goan Catholics). They were invented by the Portuguese white settlers who hated their competition. I did not come across any such parallel in Selma's book, while she does not shy away from pointing to the caste rivalries that marked the Goan diaspora, and illustrates it with the cases of Goan Institute and Goan Gymkhana in Nairobi we can all be grateful to Selma Carvalho who has laid the base for future construction For full text of the article, 884 words, go to http://bit.ly/1jVW5yY To order the book, go to http://bit.ly/1h8l8jq
