Re: [Goanet] Non-Goans to exceed Goans in Goa in coming years ????

2009-08-03 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न ोरोन्या

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training 
and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa 
and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com 
or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458
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Socorrokar, Thanks for raising a number of blunt, inconvenient but
honest questions! Nice to know that there are non-chauvinistic voices
on Goanet too, even if they get shouted down quite often. --FN

2009/8/2 Vivian A. DSouza socorro...@yahoo.com:
 Let me open a can of worms

 What qualifies one to be called a Goan ?  Is it an
 identity one is born with and like Caste,one  can
 never shake off nor can anyone else aspire to this
 ultra exclusive club ?? Until 1510 or thereabouts
 I dont believe that there was a geographical location ...
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[Goanet] Non-Goans to exceed Goans in Goa in coming years ????

2009-08-02 Thread Vivian A. DSouza

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training 
and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa 
and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com 
or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html


Let me open a can of worms
 
What qualifies one to be called a Goan ?  Is it an identity one is born with 
and like Caste,one  can never shake off nor can anyone else aspire to this 
ultra exclusive club ?? Until 1510 or thereabouts I dont believe that there was 
a geographical location called Goa.  With the coming of the Portuguese a new 
geographical entity came into being called India Portuguesa, later linked with 
some location within that entity called Gomantak and later Goa.  Prior to that, 
 waves of settlers including the Saraswats settled this fair land 
previously occupied by the indigeneous tribes.  In time all these folks came to 
be collectively known as Goans.
 
Portuguese occupation halted  in-migration for many decades and perhaps 
cemented our identity as Goans.   After Liberation we are seeing a continuance 
of the natural human migratory pattern. Throughout the history of mankind, in 
every continent, humans have migrated in search of a better life, better 
pasture, access to arable land, access to water  better economic conditions 
etc.  The influx of people from Karnataka, Bihar, Orissa etc. into Goa is part 
of the natural migration of mankind. Will they ever qualify to call themselves 
Goans ?  If so, after how long ?  Many  if not most of them have acquired 
fluency in Konkani.  I bet that hearing their offspring speak in Konkani, one 
cannot differentiate them from native Goans.  As far as I am concerned, they 
are Goans.
 
Being of Goan parentage but born abroad, I decided a few years ago  to come and 
spend my Golden years in Goa.  I remember with considerable angst being 
referred as Tu Bhaillo murre ? when I went to apply for a drivers license.  
Are Goans so prejudiced that we cannot
accept new comers in our midst ?  On the other side of the coin, when Goans 
migrate to other
countries they proudly call themselves Canadian, American, British, French, 
Kenyan or whatever
citizenship they acquire.  It is time that we accord the same treatment to 
settlers in our midst.