[Goanet] On Ponzi schemes

2009-04-10 Thread Mario Goveia


 Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom
 of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute
 http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical
 references, some photographs and documents)





Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 00:05:31 -0400
From: Venantius Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com

The following Bill Moyers interview with William K.Black, will be helpful to 
those trying to understand Ponzi schemes.

Moyers Journal: Madoff Was A Piker -- America's Big Banks Are a Far Larger
Fraudulent Ponzi Scheme

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/135161/moyers_journal%3A_madoff_was_a_piker_--_america%27s_big_banks_are_a_far_larger_fraudulent_ponzi_scheme/

Mario responds:

Unfortunately, those looking to understand Ponzi schemes will only learn how 
dishonest left wing propagandists like Bill Moyers operate in their attempts to 
undermine traditional American society.

Anyone with access to the internet trying to understand Ponzi schemes could 
have Googled Ponzi scheme and found a number of sources of more credible 
information.

Here is one source that has a correct explanation of a Ponzi scheme in one 
pithy paragraph.  It also describes in another section schemes that are NOT 
Ponzi schemes. 

A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to 
investors from their own money or money paid by subsequent investors rather 
than from any actual profit earned. The Ponzi scheme usually offers returns 
that other investments cannot guarantee in order to entice new investors, in 
the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually 
consistent. The perpetuation of the returns that a Ponzi scheme advertises and 
pays requires an ever-increasing flow of money from investors in order to keep 
the scheme going.

Ponzi schemes are illegal; there is no business being done and no profits being 
made in a Ponzi scheme.  This is what Bernard Madoff was convicted of and he 
will spend the rest of his life in jail.  What the banks did was engage in 
business practices that were stupid and risky and venal on the side, but not 
illegal.

Under sound principles of capitalism these banks should have been allowed to 
fail - i.e. bought out by other banks for pennies on the dollar - and should 
not have been bailed out by the government.

Here is how Bill Moyers' guest, Bill Black, described as an expert at fraud 
prevention, who previously opines that the financial crisis was caused by fraud 
- I wonder where he was all the years the fraud was developing - describes what 
the big banks did:

Well, the way that you do it is to make really bad loans, because they pay 
better. Then you grow extremely rapidly, in other words, you're a Ponzi-like 
scheme. And the third thing you do is we call it leverage. That just means 
borrowing a lot of money, and the combination creates a situation where you 
have guaranteed record profits in the early years. That makes you rich, through 
the bonuses that modern executive compensation has produced. It also makes it 
inevitable that there's going to be a disaster down the road.

To begin with the US has some 8,000 banks, and only a small handful engaged in 
risky practices and ran into financial trouble late last year.

Making bad loans and growing rapidly is not how a Ponzi scheme works, which 
is why Bill Black describes it as a Ponzi-like scheme.  Of course the only 
commonality is the rapid growth, because in a Ponzi scheme there is no commerce 
involved, whereas the errant banks did conduct business but engaged in highly 
risky business practices under pressure from government regulators, and based 
on partly coerced, partly self-serving assumptions that there would be no end 
to the rising business cycle and low inclome borrowers would be able to 
continue to make their payments.

The problem can be traced to the Community Reinvestment Act which was passed in 
1977 under the Carter administration and required banks to lend to a certain 
percentage of low income people.  This was a classic left wing attempt at 
social engineering, and to heck with the fundamentals of economics.  After 
being dormant for several years it was revived during the Clinton 
administration when the banks were coerced into complying with the Act's 
requirements under threat of legal action and negative regulatory decisions.

The only way the banks could make loans to low income people with risky credit 
histories and insufficient income was to lower their lending standards, which 
is what they then began to do with no down payment loans, interest only 
loans, 100% plus loans, none of which a prudent bank would do.  In addition 
they were not checking the veracity of the information on loan applications, 
which became known as liar's loans.

What the bankers achieved 

[Goanet] On Ponzi schemes

2009-04-09 Thread Venantius Pinto


 Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom
 of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute
 http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical
 references, some photographs and documents)




The following Bill Moyers interview with William K.Black, will be helpful to
those trying to understand Ponzi schemes.
vjp
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Moyers Journal: Madoff Was A Piker -- America's Big Banks Are a Far Larger
Fraudulent Ponzi Scheme

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/135161/moyers_journal%3A_madoff_was_a_piker_--_america%27s_big_banks_are_a_far_larger_fraudulent_ponzi_scheme/