Re: [Goanet] The New Goanet - an analysis /response to Selma (2)
--- Mario Goveia previously wrote: Pardon me if we cannot hold our breath while waiting for you, an avowed agnostic, to ...come across a post that I find offensive to my Catholic sensibilities... What Catholic sensibilities can an avowed agnostic claim to have?? Selma responded: So, there is no dichotomy in my statement. I am and will always be a Goan Catholic, culturally. Mario adds: Pardon me if I am skeptical about the commitment and interest of a cultural Catholic to defend the religion, not the culture, in front of others, when she has been unable to convince herself. We have proof of this when you were apparently unable to see the recent attack on all religions, while it was raging all around you. Mario previously wrote: Since you all have repudiated and devalued religion, including the ones you were born into, anything you say on the subject is biased by definition, and frequently offensive to the rest of us. So, why not quit the patronising and contemptuous and contradictory comments about religion and religious people and stick to opining on the several other issues that plague the world, as you have recommended to your forum adversary, Joe Vaz, but not to your friend, Santosh. Selma responded: Is that what you really want Mario? That we should quit discussing topics because they offend someone or the other. Then, so far I have been asked to quit commenting on Goa because I don't live there, quit commenting on America because it's off topic and now quit commenting on religion. So what topics does that eave me, Albert's pinag recipe and the GDP of Guatemala? Mario responds: In your post of September 5, you asked Joe Vaz why he was spending so much time responding to your friend Santosh's unprovoked flame baits on religion and religious people. You said Joe was being strange. Wasn't that asking Joe to quit discussing this topic? And, regarding your gross mischaracterization about me wanting to restrict you to Pinag recipes [which is a Goa-centric topic]and the GDP of Guatemala [which would be off topic] please revisit what I said to the Santosh character in my following post, and please remember this for future reference : http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-September/048072.html I wish you and everyone else on Goanet would just eschew these verbal mind games and stick to providing news and personal opinions and personal analyses as they see fit, avoid speaking on behalf of whole sections of people you don't even know as if the rest of us were born yesterday, and let others respond as they see fit, with the administrators as umpires. I don't even object to your frequent flame baits, unprovoked by anything said or discussed on Goanet, as long as the administrators do not obstruct the responses you did not get in the good old days of Goanet. [end of excerpt] So much for restricting you to Pinag recipes and off topic subjects. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The New Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Santosh other TGF loyalists, My sincere apologies to TGF and its loyalists for making the statement about TGF. Perhaps the misconception about the TGF was created due to Google directing me to articles like Are Goans liberated?, The Big Let down, Xacuti Bozo Singh's Harder Talk, which gave me the impression that it was purely an India bashing forum. Today however, I logged on to TGF and discovered a lot more than that. I should have done this before making my statement. My apologies, once again. Santosh, thanks for pointing out my misconception. Regards, Aristo. PS. If you do read a report of a shack being burned down, it wasn't me! On 9/6/06, Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Aristo, Let me first object strongly to your making a very unfair statement about TGF. TGF is a free and open secular public forum. You may be mistaking it for some other forum or network. And of course, I hope the arsonist thought is taken in jest by others, as intended. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The New Goanet - an analysis and a suggestion
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We, in turn, will reserve the right to respond, as an integral part of participation in an open forum [think schoolyard] without Santosh's habitual pissing and moaning and desperately appealing to the like minded [think schoolmates] and administrators [think teachers] for help. Folks, I almost believed that Mario could do it. I wanted to believe that Mario could last a single day without using a cuss word. The word pissing deflated this balloon. Then again, what was I thinking? Mario has used the words dummy and barbarian to describe himself. As for Aristo's comment on the sheer volume of Mario's posts, I have to inform him that Mario once told me that half his posts get rejected by the Goanet administration. I don't know if that is still true today or if the percentage has gone up. All I know is that Mario will send me and others copies of the posts that get rejected. Believe me folks, Mario sometimes has good points. Its the consistent use of curse words that makes him (in?)famous here. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The New Goanet - an analysis /response to Mario
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pardon me if we cannot hold our breath while waiting for you, an avowed agnostic, to ...come across a post that I find offensive to my Catholic sensibilities... What Catholic sensibilities can an avowed agnostic claim to have?? MY RESPONSE: Mario, please don't get unnecessarily perplexed by the things I write. Rest assured I have a very good grip on whatever it is I write. Religion has always been as much a badge of cultural identity as a religious one. Long before India became a geographical and political identity, it was loosely grouped together based on its cultural identity, shaped in large part by its religious rites and rituals. So, there is no dichotomy in my statement. I am and will always be a Goan Catholic, culturally. Mario write: Since you all have repudiated and devalued religion, including the ones you were born into, anything you say on the subject is biased by definition, and frequently offensive to the rest of us. So, why not quit the patronising and contemptuous and contradictory comments about religion and religious people and stick to opining on the several other issues that plague the world, as you have recommended to your forum adversary, Joe Vaz, but not to your friend, Santosh. MY RESPONSE: Is that what you really want Mario? That we should quit discussing topics because they offend someone or the other. Then, so far I have been asked to quit commenting on Goa because I don't live there, quit commenting on America because it's off topic and now quit commenting on religion. So what topics does that leave me, Albert's pinag recipe and the GDP of Guatemala? Now listen boys, I'm going away for the weekend. When I come back I want all of you to have kissed and made up. Except Gilbert ofcourse. A benign handshake will do for him :)) selma __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The New Goanet/Views and response to Selma
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Santosh, To be honest, I am always fearful when I voice an opinion. Sometimes, it is taken as an affront on someone's deeply held beliefs. Sometimes, it is regarded as absurd and ridiculed. NASCI observes: Selma, it is not your 'opinions' that are an affront on other's beliefs! Rather the way you do not put the same in context and at times confusing 'malpractices' and individual/group 'failures' with the exact doctrine and Faith of any religion. That is called deliberate distortion! SELMA continues: When I was more Catholic,I would bring to mind the words of Charlotte Bronte's Mr Rochester, I know my God approves of what I do,for the world's opinion,I care not. Now that I am more secular, I remember Desmond Tutu's words in a documentary about Thomas Mann, there is no black and white in life. One must believe by the skin of one's teeth that what they are doing is right and then do it. NASCI responds: Seems like you have made 'peace' with God! You are free to express your opinions; that others may not care about; that others may absorb or refute, as they see fit! We are only human and diverse and yet limited in our intellectual ability to grasp the world around us. You and Desmond Tutu are wrong when you say that: there is no black and white in life. There 'is' black skin and white skin; there is truth and falsehood; there is Selma and Aristo, and Elsabeth and Audrey, as far as I KNEW! Not any more! It has to be either 'true' or 'false'. Now you may answer these questions. Is Audrey Fernandes and Aristo as different as 'black' and 'white'is?? Is Elisabeth and Aristo simlarly different as 'black and white'is?? Is Selma/Elisabeth different from Audrey, as black is from white?? Only you have the correct answers to the above; as some evidence I have, has left me confused! The whole concept of computer IT intelligence is based on the 'two states' of the transistor switch! It is either 'on' or 'off'; either a '1' or a '0'; either black or white; either true or false; either yes or no; it is either higher or lower; either more or less and so on. I have justified to you using Science and Technology that 'black is' or 'white is'; that its either true or false! You go to Marlon Menezes for further study on this. However, what IT can not tell us is, if Black is superior to White or vice versa! That is something only the human Brain can deal with! For this I would advise you to go to Mario Goveia or Santosh Helekar for intelligent discernment! OK?? Meantime, please do not feel as though the world is only asking for your opinions and time in dealing with complex social and other issues. Take it easy! Have a 'good nights' Sleep!And do not take the word of writers as the gospel truth! They only know to read and write, most of them, not even the third 'r'. :-) :-) Nurses and Paeditricians, Doctors, Scientists and Technologists and Technicians and Tradespersons are superior to clerks (clerical skills only)! You get what I mean? I hope I have made my point. Just because Santosh has exalted you; does not mean you have a 'feather in your cap'; it only means that your 'perception' is what he relishes! Sincerely speaking, Nasci Caldeira Melbourne, Down Under. Do you Yahoo!? The new TV home page features highlights, popular picks, and the best of homemade TV http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The New Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Santosh Frederick, Santosh, I thank you for the compliments and for reminding me of my High School prayer! Perhaps it is from that poem of Tagore that I subconsciously lifted the first line and made my own corny quote that I abide by: When the conscience is clear, you have nothing to fear. But I must admit that my arguments, although sometimes cogent, may not be worm proof, as they still give way for one to worm out of! Frederick, I agree with you that you should not block anyones views. I will never support the ban of Santosh, Mario, Nasci or anyone else, if they have expressed their views without resorting to extreme uncivility, even if one tends to say things that are not so politically correct. In fact, it is this reason that I have not joined GX, as I do not agree with Santosh's Banned if 66% says so rule. Even if it were 99%, I still wouldn't agree with it, as it goes against the minorities views (Remember Galileo?). As for TGF, it reminds me of that white shack on one Goan beach that is rumoured to having a board saying No Dogs Indians allowed! (Note to self: If I find that shack, Burn it!!) And finally, I would like to thank Goanet for giving me this opportunity to express my views over the last 5 months or so. I stumbled upon Goanet quite accidentally late last year with the innocent intention of trying to find the words of the song Claudia (Uncle Gilbert, if you're reading this, I plan to propose to my atheist fiance, when I find her that is, with this song), but boy did I step into one messed up jungle!! Cheers to all! Aristo. --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the advent of Aristo, Selma, Francis, Roland, Jerry and Kevin, and the re-emergence of Sunith has been great for Goanet. Their arguments have been extremely cogent, mature, well- articulated and beautiful. Nobody has been able to refute them. I am very confident that these good people will continue to express their views without fear, and I hope that many more like them become active on Goanet. Nothing moves me more into thought and action than my high school prayer - one of the most sublime compositions ever conceived by any poet, living or dead: Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high, Frederick wrote: Rather than calling for a block on certain views on Goanet (which remains committed to free speech), those who dislike those views should attempt to clearly, honestly and without getting into a tizzy refute the same. Sorry, I don't think censorship of any perspective is the solution. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The New Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Aristo, Let me first object strongly to your making a very unfair statement about TGF. TGF is a free and open secular public forum. You may be mistaking it for some other forum or network. And of course, I hope the arsonist thought is taken in jest by others, as intended. As I have stated before on countless occasions, nobody's perspective, however extreme and disagreeable to someone, ought to be blocked from a free and secular public forum such as Goanet. However, the rules of Goanet have to be strictly enforced by the Goanet administrators. Otherwise, they might as well rescind them. Why waste electrons? Frederick's excuses and rationalizations simply don't wash. I, Santosh Helekar, must be banned from Goanet if the administrators determine that my e-glow of pure evil or some other infraction violates the Goanet rules. But I think that they should grant a special exemption from the rules to Goveia, and give him unlimited chances to refute your arguments, and those of Selma, Francis, Sunith, Roland, Albert and Kevin, which he has failed to do so far. You have already realized that your arguments are impenetrable as long as one follows the direct and honest, rational approach. Regarding your arguments not being worm-out proof, let me submit to you that anybody can worm out of an argument or demean and demonize its proponent. But most people do not resort to such evasive and abusive tactics out of fairness and respect. An argument which is countered only with such an illicit approach stands unrefuted. Nasci has not violated the Goanet rules so far, so he should not be banned. He has simply vented his righteous prejudices in an enlightened sort of way. I think he cannot help doing that because he is one of those rare individuals (but perhaps, fortunately, more abundant on Goanet) who are endowed with the e-glow of enlightenment. I am pleasantly surprised to note that we share an alma mater. I must say, indeed, we are the children of a lesser goddess. Cheers, Santosh --- Aristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Santosh Frederick, Santosh, I thank you for the compliments and for reminding me of my High School prayer! Perhaps it is from that poem of Tagore that I subconsciously lifted the first line and made my own corny quote that I abide by: When the conscience is clear, you have nothing to fear. But I must admit that my arguments, although sometimes cogent, may not be worm proof, as they still give way for one to worm out of! ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] THE NEW GOANET/RESPONSE TO SELMA CARVALHO (2)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I find strange is why an intelligent man such as yourself would spend so much time on Santosh Helekar. Hi Selma: And what is a fine lady like you doing dispensing advice without diagnosing the issues? It is like passionately telling a story, without reading the book that relates it. It would be illuminating if you first studied Santosh Helekars provocative posts, rampant incitement and abuse documented within the Goanet archives, before coming to his defense and hastily jumping to conclusions. There are many a people who have tried to intelligently yet politely advise Santosh to refrain from abusing religion, but he has been doggedly determined to lead that path. Silence on such matters has never been the solution, but rather is often taken as a tacit approval to further abuse. Best, Joe PS: Have you really seen how much time Santosh spends ridiculing other netters? There is NO need to educate netters by mocking religion; by and large we are mostly educated adults who know to respect both Science and Religion. Only the irrational use science against religion and vice versa. --- Heres some perspective on what Albert Einstein had to say about God and Science: Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish. ~Albert Einstein We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality. ~Albert Einstein Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. ~Albert Einstein Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. ~Albert Einstein _ Connect with your friends who use Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Click! http://www.msnspecials.in/wlmyahoo/index.asp ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The New Goanet/response to Santosh
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Selma, That was beautiful, and thanks for the sage advice. You have expressed my point of view better than I can imagine myself doing. The only thing I would add is that I am not really interested in converting people to my point of view. I believe in unabashed individualism - the idea that every person ought to educate himself or herself, think for himself or herself, and arrive at his or her own convictions about the world. Nothing moves me more into thought and action than my high school prayer - one of the most sublime compositions ever conceived by any poet, living or dead: Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high, Where knowledge is free, Where the world has not been broken up into fragments By narrow domestic walls, Where words come out from the depth of truth, Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection, Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way Into the dreary desert sand of dead habit, Where the mind is led forward by thee Into ever-widening thought and action, Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake. I am certain you know who this great poet is. Cheers, Santosh --- Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Santosh, To be honest, I am always fearful when I voice an opinion. Sometimes, it is taken as an affront on someone's deeply held beliefs. Sometimes, it is regarded as absurd and ridiculed. When I was more Catholic, I would bring to mind the words of Charlotte Bronte's Mr Rochester, I know my God approves of what I do, for the world's opinion, I care not. Now that I am more secular, I remember Desmond Tutu's words in a documentary about Thomas Mann, there is no black and white in life. One must believe by the skin of one's teeth that what they are doing is right and then do it. That is how I generally operate, by the skin of my teeth and to damnation with my detractors. I enjoy your posts on religion. To me they are just your personal hypotheses and not a reflection and assault on anyone's faith. If, we as Christians in our Quixotian desire to defend our religion, see you as a Christian basher, we really are tilting at windmills. If you want my opinion, write what you have to. Don't bother defending your views. Let the chips fall where they may. For every one person, you offend, there will be two that you will educate and perhaps convince to your point of view. We are all adult enough to discern for ourselves exactly what we want to believe. All this defending the faith by self-appointed crusaders, is self-serving aggrandisment at best. Selma -- --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the advent of Aristo, Selma, Francis, Roland, Jerry and Kevin, and the re-emergence of Sunith has been great for Goanet. Their arguments have been extremely cogent, mature, well-articulated and beautiful. Nobody has been able to refute them. I am very confident that these good people will continue to express their views without fear, and I hope that many more like them become active on Goanet. Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] THE NEW GOANET !
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Santosh, I know you are referring to someone else with a similar name. My presence on Goanet is merely to be educated. I stand humbled before giants of our time of Cyclopeian proportions like Goveia. Who can resist his mighty intellect ? We never fail to be continually amazed by his encyclopedic knowledge of our universe - an avowed expert even on theories and matters that will be discovered far into the future. At the end times, like Hunt's immortal Abou Ben Adhem, the Angel will say And, lo! Goveia's name led all the rest! As for me, I am sure you must be mistaken - I do not write anything of note, nor with any degree of talent. As I have remarked to Roland, George, Jose and others - if there is somebody masquerading as myself, projecting me in a better light, then we must speedily unmask him ! Francis. . Santosh Helekar wrote: I think the advent of Aristo, Selma, Francis, Roland, Jerry and Kevin, and the re-emergence of Sunith has been great for Goanet. Their arguments have been extremely cogent, mature, well-articulated and beautiful. Nobody has been able to refute them. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The New Goanet/response to Santosh
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Santosh has been even-handed in his critique of all religions and gods (except probably that currently-accepted dogma of Science). But my concern is that there's a fine line between stating one's own views, specially when it comes to religion. No religion and politics on the dinner-table, as the old adage goes. I'm surely not trying to extend the dinner-table to Goanet. But one needs to be cautious while taking broad sweeps. For monotheistic religions, it's more difficult to accept criticism, because the line between what is right and wrong (I've deliberately used quotes) is very starkly drawn. As a response, some people feel an urge to defend the faith. I'm not saying Santosh should not criticise, but just that he should be aware of how others would respond to it. FN On 05/09/06, George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Selma, I agree with your assessment of Santosh. He has been critical of Hindu and Muslim extremism too. In this day and age, some cold water needs to be put over the jihadists and extremists of all stripes. We are grown people and should learn to take criticism instead of hiding under the religion-bashing label. On a related point, you have probably noticed that Santosh takes flak because of his Hindu name. Regards, George --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The New Goanet/response to Joe Vaz
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Joe, What I find strange is why an intelligent man such as yourself would spend so much time on Santosh Helekar. Surely, there are more interesting topics to be discussed and I would love it if the posters on Goanet would expand the range of topics. In the five or six months I have been on Goanet, I have waited for Santosh to incite religious hatred, so I could sanctimoniously drive him out of Goanet myself, since I have been labeled a crusading Joan of Bark. When I come across a post that I find offensive to my Catholic sensibilities, rest assured I shall organise a cyber public crucifixion and harvesting of organs, to be donated to a Scientific community of Santosh's choice. Selma --- Joe Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is nice to read your scholarly advice and encouragement to Santosh Helekar to continue what he does best i.e. resort to name-calling, and ridiculing religion. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The New Goanet/response to George/Selma
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Selma, I agree with your assessment of Santosh. He has been critical of Hindu and Muslim extremism too. Nasci observes: Santosh is not aggressively critical of Hindu or Muslim extremism. When he relishes Christians (half baked)and agnostics bashing Christians on goanet, I can see the e-glow on him; then he subtly adds his own derision, in his own convoluted way! George Pinto: On a related point, you have probably noticed that Santosh takes flak because of his Hindu name. Nasci observes: Santosh is not taking 'flak' because of his Hindu name; at least not from me. He is an honourable person; but he is certainly not above board! Santosh, I observe, is so ashamed of the 'primitive Hindu beliefs and practices' he is born into, that he declares himself an agnostic; and goes on to deride all 'religions'under the premise of Science, (that too patronisingly) and refusing to understand that pure religious Faith and Science are parallel paths; also not realising that Hindu practices are not religion in a religious sense; and is also guilty of not saying or doing anything to stop these groups/ political parties from enforcing these practices/ beliefs on all others, in the guise of ethos and or religion. Sincerely speaking, Nasci Caldeira Melbourne, Down Under! Do you Yahoo!? The new TV home page features highlights, popular picks, and the best of homemade TV http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] THE NEW GOANET !
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Francis, You are the Francis that I am referring to. You have a formidable intellect and an ability to articulate your ideas, rivaled only by your son Gary. Goveia is an insignificant speck compared to you. You did notice, didn't you that he was not able to refute your arguments, and chickened out with some feeble excuse. Cheers, Santosh --- Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Santosh, I know you are referring to someone else with a similar name. My presence on Goanet is merely to be educated. I stand humbled before giants of our time of Cyclopeian proportions like Goveia. Who can resist his mighty intellect ? We never fail to be continually amazed by his encyclopedic knowledge of our universe - an avowed expert even on theories and matters that will be discovered far into the future. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The New Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I think the advent of Aristo, Selma, Francis, Roland, Jerry and Kevin, and the re-emergence of Sunith has been great for Goanet. Their arguments have been extremely cogent, mature, well-articulated and beautiful. Nobody has been able to refute them. I am very confident that these good people will continue to express their views without fear, and I hope that many more like them become active on Goanet. Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The New Goanet/response to Santosh
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Santosh, To be honest, I am always fearful when I voice an opinion. Sometimes, it is taken as an affront on someone's deeply held beliefs. Sometimes, it is regarded as absurd and ridiculed. When I was more Catholic, I would bring to mind the words of Charlotte Bronte's Mr Rochester, I know my God approves of what I do, for the world's opinion, I care not. Now that I am more secular, I remember Desmond Tutu's words in a documentary about Thomas Mann, there is no black and white in life. One must believe by the skin of one's teeth that what they are doing is right and then do it. That is how I generally operate, by the skin of my teeth and to damnation with my detractors. I enjoy your posts on religion. To me they are just your personal hypotheses and not a reflection and assault on anyone's faith. If, we as Christians in our Quixotian desire to defend our religion, see you as a Christian basher, we really are tilting at windmills. If you want my opinion, write what you have to. Don't bother defending your views. Let the chips fall where they may. For every one person, you offend, there will be two that you will educate and perhaps convince to your point of view. We are all adult enough to discern for ourselves exactly what we want to believe. All this defending the faith by self-appointed crusaders, is self-serving aggrandisment at best. Selma -- --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the advent of Aristo, Selma, Francis, Roland, Jerry and Kevin, and the re-emergence of Sunith has been great for Goanet. Their arguments have been extremely cogent, mature, well-articulated and beautiful. Nobody has been able to refute them. I am very confident that these good people will continue to express their views without fear, and I hope that many more like them become active on Goanet. Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The New Goanet - where unprovoked Christian bashing will not stand
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Found this in the thrash section of the Goanet archives. It speaks for itself to anyone who has been following the posts on Goanet Mario my friend, There is no trash section in the Goanet archives. That idea exists only in one persons mind :-) Unfortunately, they seem to have run out of coherent or sensible ideas and are reduced to comical inanities like the one above. No follower of Jesus Christ can ever claim to be a Christian and, at the same time, use his name as a cuss word. You are unable to understand this. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The New Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Santosh, I would like to point out that we all are creatures of habit and politics. So, when someone who agrees with out ideological perspective speaks out, we applaud. It's a reflection of our own politics and bias, even if Scientific! So what you say may be true from *your* perspective. Others would obviously judge things differently. Likewise, I disagree with Mario Gouveia when he calls those whom he does not agree with a cabal. Rather than calling for a block on certain views on Goanet (which remains committed to free speech), those who dislike those views should attempt to clearly, honestly and without getting into a tizzy refute the same. Sorry, I don't think censorship of any perspective is the solution. On the other hand, the job of countering any perspective is the onus of those who disagree with it. Otherwise, we'll end up with a situation like in the past: people quit Goanet after being outargued and accused Goanet of cursing them! Of course, some of them are back now... despite repeated pledges not to post to Goanet. FN PS: If you think the above post contains flame-baits (which I think it does), please ignore the same :-) On 05/09/06, Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the advent of Aristo, Selma, Francis, Roland, Jerry and Kevin, and the re-emergence of Sunith has been great for Goanet. Their arguments have been extremely cogent, mature, well-articulated and beautiful. Nobody has been able to refute them. I am very confident that these good people will continue to express their views without fear, and I hope that many more like them become active on Goanet. Santosh -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The New Goanet/response to Santosh
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Selma, I agree with your assessment of Santosh. He has been critical of Hindu and Muslim extremism too. In this day and age, some cold water needs to be put over the jihadists and extremists of all stripes. We are grown people and should learn to take criticism instead of hiding under the religion-bashing label. On a related point, you have probably noticed that Santosh takes flak because of his Hindu name. Regards, George ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
