Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia.... á là Dr. Bar ónio Monteiro
You are filled with wot spirits, Rolly my boy??? The mansion...family...you are bumbling...mumbling for is that of Joaquim Teles da Silva not that of Joaquim Joku de Melo... (incumbent, Fortunato de Melo). Emiliano is the ghor-zanvoin, ex Illona, of that house, , a most welcome one...a very nice chap that he is with fife...pigs...men... Alfred Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:04:26 -0400 From: roland.fran...@gmail.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia á là Dr. Barónio Monteiro Talking of Jocu Melo, many were the Loutulim summer dances organized in his vast house that I attended. If one had a wish to meet the lovely belles of Loutulim, that would be the occasion. Provided of course one was hardy enough or filled with enough spirit to face the chaperons of these girls (usually a strict mother or aunt). Not only that, it was the first time I came across the system where when asked a girl for a dance, she would first have to get a nod from her duenna and then you would hear I am free for the fifth dance. Of course after a few Indian Navy rums, it was always difficult to count. In later years our friend the never aging Emiliano Cruz discovered the charms of Lillon, one of the daughters of the house and became the ghor-zavoinn. Jocu Melo must have turned in his grave when Emiliano decided to turn the back-yard into a pig-farm sending powerful stinks wafting over to my grandmother's house across the fields and to the rest of that part of Vanxem. Of course Emiliano must have been a struggling musician then and probably loved by the vaddo, for it resorted to complaining about it only much later. By that time Emiliano probably had no need of supplementary income. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:45 AM, Gabriel de Figueiredogdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Correct - however, my Dad told me that Dr. Baronio Monteiro declared, in his wisdom, that it was the most logical tunic for the tropics. BTW, I think Mario imortalized him in a cartoon with Dr. Baronio in the cabaia doffing his cap to Roque Barneto, Jocu Melo, Eufeumiano Alvares, the Faleiro brothers et al at the pedda ... And I've a photograph of the Tuna with distinguished gentleman in the cabaia holding a flute. Cheers, Gabriel. - Original Message From: Alfred de Tavares alfredtava...@hotmail.com To: GOANET Lists goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, 13 July, 2009 11:14:44 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia á là Dr. Barónio Monteiro Gabriel, The most fervent adherent of the cabaia in Goa, our own illustrious Lotlekar, Dr Barónio Monteiro? Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail -- Roland Francis http://roland-torontogoan.blogspot.com +1 (416) 453.3371 _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us
Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia.... á là Dr. Bar ónio Monteiro
Correct - however, my Dad told me that Dr. Baronio Monteiro declared, in his wisdom, that it was the most logical tunic for the tropics. BTW, I think Mario imortalized him in a cartoon with Dr. Baronio in the cabaia doffing his cap to Roque Barneto, Jocu Melo, Eufeumiano Alvares, the Faleiro brothers et al at the pedda ... And I've a photograph of the Tuna with distinguished gentleman in the cabaia holding a flute. Cheers, Gabriel. - Original Message From: Alfred de Tavares alfredtava...@hotmail.com To: GOANET Lists goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, 13 July, 2009 11:14:44 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia á là Dr. Barónio Monteiro Gabriel, The most fervent adherent of the cabaia in Goa, our own illustrious Lotlekar, Dr Barónio Monteiro? Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail
Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia.... á là Dr. Bar ónio Monteiro
Gabriel, What a superb photograph that must be, almost a collector's item. I wonder if there is any way you could share it with us. Best, selma --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au wrote: From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia á là Dr. Barónio Monteiro To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 2:45 AM Correct - however, my Dad told me that Dr. Baronio Monteiro declared, in his wisdom, that it was the most logical tunic for the tropics. BTW, I think Mario imortalized him in a cartoon with Dr. Baronio in the cabaia doffing his cap to Roque Barneto, Jocu Melo, Eufeumiano Alvares, the Faleiro brothers et al at the pedda ... And I've a photograph of the Tuna with distinguished gentleman in the cabaia holding a flute. Cheers, Gabriel. - Original Message From: Alfred de Tavares alfredtava...@hotmail.com To: GOANET Lists goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, 13 July, 2009 11:14:44 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia á là Dr. Barónio Monteiro Gabriel, The most fervent adherent of the cabaia in Goa, our own illustrious Lotlekar, Dr Barónio Monteiro? Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail
Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia.... á là Dr. Bar ónio Monteiro
Talking of Jocu Melo, many were the Loutulim summer dances organized in his vast house that I attended. If one had a wish to meet the lovely belles of Loutulim, that would be the occasion. Provided of course one was hardy enough or filled with enough spirit to face the chaperons of these girls (usually a strict mother or aunt). Not only that, it was the first time I came across the system where when asked a girl for a dance, she would first have to get a nod from her duenna and then you would hear I am free for the fifth dance. Of course after a few Indian Navy rums, it was always difficult to count. In later years our friend the never aging Emiliano Cruz discovered the charms of Lillon, one of the daughters of the house and became the ghor-zavoinn. Jocu Melo must have turned in his grave when Emiliano decided to turn the back-yard into a pig-farm sending powerful stinks wafting over to my grandmother's house across the fields and to the rest of that part of Vanxem. Of course Emiliano must have been a struggling musician then and probably loved by the vaddo, for it resorted to complaining about it only much later. By that time Emiliano probably had no need of supplementary income. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:45 AM, Gabriel de Figueiredogdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Correct - however, my Dad told me that Dr. Baronio Monteiro declared, in his wisdom, that it was the most logical tunic for the tropics. BTW, I think Mario imortalized him in a cartoon with Dr. Baronio in the cabaia doffing his cap to Roque Barneto, Jocu Melo, Eufeumiano Alvares, the Faleiro brothers et al at the pedda ... And I've a photograph of the Tuna with distinguished gentleman in the cabaia holding a flute. Cheers, Gabriel. - Original Message From: Alfred de Tavares alfredtava...@hotmail.com To: GOANET Lists goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, 13 July, 2009 11:14:44 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia á là Dr. Barónio Monteiro Gabriel, The most fervent adherent of the cabaia in Goa, our own illustrious Lotlekar, Dr Barónio Monteiro? Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail -- Roland Francis http://roland-torontogoan.blogspot.com +1 (416) 453.3371
Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia.... á là Dr. Bar ónio Monteiro
Dear Bess, Gabriel... The cartoon is, indeed, grand: Mário did it when the Loutulim (Loutulenses?) league, in Bombay, celebrated a jubilee, (1953?). while he was still (always the precocious) student at the JJ School of Arts. I have a copy but, alás, in Loutulim. Many other old timers will also possess one. But Mário would surely provide one. However, he is one of the few surviving leviathans that disdains computers and, with an utmost assinine stubornness, refuses to have any interaction with IT. Could write him, ie. in case you have an accessible surviving post-office in the area you live in. Mário de Miranda, Loutulim, Goa. What you could also resort to, with possibly a greater measure of success, is apply to Gerard da Cunha. He has, last July, published a block buster of MM's work, and in selecting a fraction thereof, must have perused the entire juggernaut covering all of six decades plus. Check www.mariodemiranda.com Then...there is tous jour our encyclopaedico meritíssimo, FN Ever at your service... Alfred etc. Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:48:02 -0700 From: elisabeth_...@yahoo.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia á là Dr. Barónio Monteiro Gabriel, What a superb photograph that must be, almost a collector's item. I wonder if there is any way you could share it with us. Best, selma --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au wrote: From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia á là Dr. Barónio Monteiro To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 2:45 AM Correct - however, my Dad told me that Dr. Baronio Monteiro declared, in his wisdom, that it was the most logical tunic for the tropics. BTW, I think Mario imortalized him in a cartoon with Dr. Baronio in the cabaia doffing his cap to Roque Barneto, Jocu Melo, Eufeumiano Alvares, the Faleiro brothers et al at the pedda ... And I've a photograph of the Tuna with distinguished gentleman in the cabaia holding a flute. Cheers, Gabriel. - Original Message From: Alfred de Tavares alfredtava...@hotmail.com To: GOANET Lists goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, 13 July, 2009 11:14:44 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia á là Dr. Barónio Monteiro Gabriel, The most fervent adherent of the cabaia in Goa, our own illustrious Lotlekar, Dr Barónio Monteiro? Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail _ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx
[Goanet] The Cabaia
Thanks Selma. I remember a man wearing it in 70's. We called it 'Kabai' He was in his late 60's and 'Porker' by profession. His two sons had two pork meat stalls very close to Cansaulim fish Market. His sons were in their mid 30s. The loose Kabai was long up to the knees (and I think it was sleeveless) It was plain or without any plates or fency. It reminded me of those inmates from Old age home or alber(i). I guess, inside the Kabai, they wore only langutti or Kaxtti or Portonnem (no short pant or ched’di) Most village men used to wear it (kaxtti) in place of present day under-wears or briefs. As said earlier, some shool boys too were wearing langutti.( ye andar ki baat hai). Talking about the Porker, one of his sons despite running full time pork stall (running after pigs, slaughtering, selling pork meat and evening pork products like sausages, fried chops, sorpattel-pao etc) was very popular with Goan bands playing for weddings etc not as musical instrument player but as a crooner (on the vocals). Singing/playing all western music/songs. I still remember one of his songs ‘Call one me, Call on me, oho ho ho ho..’ The crooner popularly known as ‘Pexayer’ (short for Pedro Xavier’) We used to come to Cansaulim from Utorda by cycle to buy pork meat. I think I also remember seeing Lapitt one or two times. There were 3 stalls run by PeXayer, his brother RemeXayer and another by Minin. At Majorda, pork was only available on Sundays near Rly Station by the side of the road. Now, having said all about Kabai, Kaxtti etc some of you may want to ask.. - What about me? Me what? - Did you wear Kaxtti Me? No, never. For that matter I never wore underwear. - What? I mean, until I was 14-15 I could wear Kaxtti though, as I had ‘Munj’ a traditional thick thread around the waist which was used to secure Kaxtti. The ‘Munj’ was also used for other purposes. Top Fisher Folks had it of steel or silver. For that matter, we never even used the present day expensive disposable nappies. Instead, we used re-usable or washable triangular shaped white cotton ‘Nakpin’ (Pl. Nakpina). Quote: [Goanet] The Cabaia In the days of yore, Goan men wore a cabaia, on top of their kastis. I cannot successful trace the genesis of this attire to any particular influence. It is definitely not a Hindu influence nor do I believe Portuguese men wore a cabaia. The word cabaia is also commonly used in the Far East where the woman's tunic is called a cabaia. The is some possibility the Portuguese might have borrowed this word from the Arabs, who wear similar garments, but which today are called dish-dashes, but at one point might have been called Qaba. Could it possibly have been a Muslim influence that led Goan men to adopt a cabaia? Would appreciate your input on this. joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia.... á là Dr. B arónio Monteiro
Gabriel, The most fervent adherent of the cabaia in Goa, our own illustrious Lotlekar, Dr Barónio Monteiro? It came about thus: The Portuguese had long since introduced/Instituted and the Goans docilely accepted, a dress code for Goans, especially, the servidores do governo: various degrees of suits made of linnen, its oppulence accentuating the status of the incumbent. For Hindu upper-castes the upper torso garments were identical with the others, ie. shirt, tie coat; however, the lower limbs, istead of trousers were encased in immaculate white dhoti into which the shirt was tucked and the former itself tucked into socks, ending with shoes. This entire, most delectable, confection was crowned with the imposing black topí. (Recall Matmó, Xeldenkar BC, old Abade Faristas?) Mario, in, various illustrations accurately depicts this fantastic attire. But returning to cabaia, the gentle but resolute revolutionary, Dr. Barónio Monteiro could not stomach this peremptory sartorial imposition. However, without such attire approach to authorities, visit to government offices was not countenanced with the exception of the priestly garb. Taking advantage of this, a veritable loophole became apparent to Dr. Barónio. He designed a cabaia a cross between the clerical cassock and a raincoat, creamish in colour, and along with a group of goan fellow-intellectuals wore it damnedly confound the colonial uniformisers. It worked fine, but for a while only; gradually, one by one, his fickle confréres abandoned the tunic...and, Dr Barónio. Dr. Barónio, (sempre muito teimoso, his equally cervantean neighbour, Dr. Chiquito Ananás, Cardóso would say of him), however, persisted to the last, being burried in it. BTW, Dr. Barónio Monteiro, a distinguished product of the Escola Médica de Goa, devoted his life, among prolific other pursuits and achievements, was. also until the end, a dedicated adherent of natural medical cure. In this respect, I recall, when his brother, Pe Aleixinho, lay in his death bed, Dr. Barónio, was wont to lovingly attend to his every need and fed him chiefly with tender coconut flesh and water. Tajim pixeponam to sod'dnan, neigbours, compulsorilly and pestilentially descending upon the sick aand the dying in Goa, would maintain, To taka oktam di'nna pun nar'la udcan padcer korun marta. Such has, always, been the desserts of the seers and daring venturers of Goa. Over to You, dear Bess... Alfred de Tavares OBS: Dr, Barónio wore conservative pyjamas beneath his cabaia. He carried it off in a most distinguished mién. Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:53:07 -0700 From: gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia Looks like a Moroccan connection somewhere! I faintly remember wearing one when I was a kid as a substitue for pyjamas. I was given one 'bout 20 years ago by an European tour guide, who had brought one from Morocco. Gabriel. - Original Message From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, 13 July, 2009 1:47:06 AM Subject: [Goanet] The Cabaia In the days of yore, Goan men wore a cabaia, on top of their kastis. I cannot successful trace the genesis of this attire to any particular influence. It is definitely not a Hindu influence nor do I believe Portuguese men wore a cabaia. The word cabaia is also commonly used in the Far East where the woman's tunic is called a cabaia. The is some possibility the Portuguese might have borrowed this word from the Arabs, who wear similar garments, but which today are called dish-dashes, but at one point might have been called Qaba. Could it possibly have been a Muslim influence that led Goan men to adopt a cabaia? Would appreciate your input on this. Best, selma Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/
Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia
As a resource for words like this, it is difficult to beat Hobson-Jobson which not only provides a meaning and derivation but also historical occurrences. Thus we have: CABAYA , s. This word, though of Asiatic origin, was perhaps introduced into India by the Portuguese, whose writers of the 16th century apply it to the surcoat or long tunic of muslin, which is one of the most common native garments of the better classes in India. The word seems to be one of those which the Portuguese had received in older times from the Arabic (ḳabā, 'a vesture'). From Dozy's remarks this would seem in Barbary to take the form ḳabāya. Whether from Arabic or from Portuguese, the word has been introduced into the Malay countries, and is in common use in Java for the light cotton surcoat worn by Europeans, both ladies and gentlemen, in dishabille. The word is not now used in India Proper, unless by the Portuguese. But it has become familiar in Dutch, from its use in Java. [Mr. Gray, in his notes to Pyrard (i. 372), thinks that the word was introduced before the time of the Portuguese, and remarks that kabaya in Ceylon means a coat or jacket worn by a European or native.] Then there are numerous occurrences listed from as early as 1540. Hobson-Jobson is a fascinating read – the word boutique, for example, is derived from the butica of Goa. The book is available online at a Univ. of Chicago site courtesy of the US Dep. of Education. Go to http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/hobsonjobson/ Of course there is also the two volume Glossario Luso-Asiatico by Sebastiao Rodolfo Dalgado. 1919. For availability see http://www.alibris.com/search/books/qwork/-812060427/used/Glossario%20Luso-Asiatico%202%20Vols -Original Message- From: Carvalho Could it possibly have been a Muslim influence that led Goan men to adopt a cabaia? Would appreciate your input on this.
[Goanet] The Cabaia
In the days of yore, Goan men wore a cabaia, on top of their kastis. I cannot successful trace the genesis of this attire to any particular influence. It is definitely not a Hindu influence nor do I believe Portuguese men wore a cabaia. The word cabaia is also commonly used in the Far East where the woman's tunic is called a cabaia. The is some possibility the Portuguese might have borrowed this word from the Arabs, who wear similar garments, but which today are called dish-dashes, but at one point might have been called Qaba. Could it possibly have been a Muslim influence that led Goan men to adopt a cabaia? Would appreciate your input on this. Best, selma
Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia
Looks like a Moroccan connection somewhere! I faintly remember wearing one when I was a kid as a substitue for pyjamas. I was given one 'bout 20 years ago by an European tour guide, who had brought one from Morocco. Gabriel. - Original Message From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, 13 July, 2009 1:47:06 AM Subject: [Goanet] The Cabaia In the days of yore, Goan men wore a cabaia, on top of their kastis. I cannot successful trace the genesis of this attire to any particular influence. It is definitely not a Hindu influence nor do I believe Portuguese men wore a cabaia. The word cabaia is also commonly used in the Far East where the woman's tunic is called a cabaia. The is some possibility the Portuguese might have borrowed this word from the Arabs, who wear similar garments, but which today are called dish-dashes, but at one point might have been called Qaba. Could it possibly have been a Muslim influence that led Goan men to adopt a cabaia? Would appreciate your input on this. Best, selma Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail
