[Goanet] The liberation of Goa: How Nehru defied the U.S. and used force against the Portuguese

[Bernado Colaco]

 Every young Goan it seems wants to leave Goa. Such is the dismal situation 
perpetrated by the invaders since 1961 and yet there are a few who still after 
seeing the cesspool that we are in want to defend the events of 1961.
BC


I think a "bozou" is still a "bozou" if the person doesn't know the facts 
vis-a-vis the Liberation/ Aggression in Goa. The person can't assume to be a 
"bolinha" just because he or she thinks Nehru was at fault. zno doubt Nehru 
earned the wrath of many nations for abandonung his peace-loving statesmanship. 
As an advocate of non-aligment diplomacy, Nehru was criticised for using force. 
To manu he may have become a "bozou" from his position as "bolinha". To the 
Indians and Goan freedom-fighters he was a hero. 
Nehru died in 1964, and we don't know if he would give "special status" to Goa. 
Goa didn't qualify for this soecial status on its economic  confition, but 
perhaps Nehru would persuade his colleagues to give it on cultural issues.
Nehru, it seems, suffered the most, as the Nobel Prize for Peace, for which he 
was the favourite for thst year, was denied to him. 
I had a friend, Domingos Santos, secretary of the Lusitanian Society, which 
owned the famous Lusutanian club, and also tge populat meat shop in. bandra, 
wrote a small phamplet called Statehood -- the birthright of Goa (if I got the 
name right) showing how Goa could have benn guven statehood by Portugal. He 
showed the factors and that many nations were as small as Goa in land area. He 
was a fierce pro-Portuguese man. 

Eugene.









  

Re: [Goanet] The liberation of Goa: How Nehru defied the U.S. and used force against the Portuguese

[Venantius J Pinto]

Hi Eugene—

Now you are getting creative good. Awesome.
Good usage of "bozou"  and  "bolinha." True Goan spirit.

—Venantius J Pinto

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 9:10 AM, Eugene Correia 
wrote:

> I think a "bozou" is still a "bozou" if the person doesn't know the facts
> vis-a-vis the Liberation/ Aggression in Goa. The person can't assume to be
> a "bolinha" just because he or she thinks Nehru was at fault. zno doubt
> Nehru earned the wrath of many nations for abandonung his peace-loving
> statesmanship. As an advocate of non-aligment diplomacy, Nehru was
> criticised for using force. To manu he may have become a "bozou" from his
> position as "bolinha". To the Indians and Goan freedom-fighters he was a
> hero.
> Nehru died in 1964, and we don't know if he would give "special status" to
> Goa. Goa didn't qualify for this soecial status on its economic
>  confition, but perhaps Nehru would persuade his colleagues to give it on
> cultural issues.
> Nehru, it seems, suffered the most, as the Nobel Prize for Peace, for
> which he was the favourite for thst year, was denied to him.
> I had a friend, Domingos Santos, secretary of the Lusitanian Society,
> which owned the famous Lusutanian club, and also tge populat meat shop in.
> bandra, wrote a small phamplet called Statehood -- the birthright of Goa
> (if I got the name right) showing how Goa could have benn guven statehood
> by Portugal. He showed the factors and that many nations were as small as
> Goa in land area. He was a fierce pro-Portuguese man.
>
> Eugene.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 2, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Venantius J Pinto 
> wrote:
> >
> > Still a bozou by any other name does not become a bolinha, nor for that
> > matter, phirni.
> > —Venantius J Pinto
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Venantius J Pinto <
> venantius.pi...@gmail.com
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> I see!
> >> —Venantius
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 3:32 PM, Eugene Correia <
> eugene.corr...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The story of Nehru defying Kennedy is "diplomatic" spin. Kennedy
> >>> seemingly okayed India's plan but kept public silence. The US didn't
> get
> >>> NATO into action as Portugal demanded. Portugal was part of the
> alliance.
> >>> Kennedy was convinced that Portugal was adamant in clinging to Goa,
> USA
> >>> Ambassador, John Kenneth Galbraith, a Canadian-born US diplomat,
> played a
> >>> big role. earlier, Canadian Ambassador, Escott Reid, was also on
> India's
> >>> side.
> >>> Portugal was not paying heed to USA's plea to give up Goa. Portugal
> also
> >>> defied India's diplomatic efforts, till Nehru, pushed by circumtances
> and
> >>> pressure from the freedom fighters and Defence Minister Krishna Menon,
> >>> ordered the army to march into Goa.
> >>>
> >>> What has happened since the, and the current problems, were not
> expected.
> >>> But they are realities niw.
> >>>
> >>> Eugene
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> > On Jan 1, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Roland Francis  >
>  wrote:
> 
>  The Praveen Davar article in the Hindu is either half-baked or
> >>> conveniently omits an inconvenient truth.
> 
>  The much touted claim that the Portuguese were obstinate and Nehru was
> >>> pushed into a corner by other Indians to use violence against Goa makes
> >>> fools of thinking people.
> 
>  How about the non-violent approach of allowing Goans themselves who
> >>> were virtually running the Portuguese administration in Goa, to
> determine
> >>> Goa’s future for themselves, within a broad Indian framework rather
> than
> >>> violently snatching it from them, thus  avoiding the Churchills Kamats
> and
> >>> Parrikars, the progeny of louts, to thrust themselves on a virgin Goa
> of
> >>> unblemished character.
> 
>  Did Nehru not foresee that his people are by an large a loutish lot
> >>> prone to indiscipline and corruption and quick to forget the values
> that
> >>> the British had drilled into them for 150 years. Did his intelligence
> and
> >>> statesmanship not take into account that the the gigantic number of
> louts
> >>> would squash the “liberated” territory, fashioning it in their own
> image of
> >>> loutishness.
> 
>  Or was he vain enough to think that his promises of “special
> treatment”
> >>> would be honoured by his surviving louts.
> 
>  Roland Francis
>  416-453-3371
> 
> 
> > On Jan 1, 2018, at 9:00 AM, Frederick Noronha <
> >>> fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/the-liberation-of-goa/
> >>> article22339624.ece
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Re: [Goanet] The liberation of Goa: How Nehru defied the U.S. and used force against the Portuguese

[Eugene Correia]

I think a "bozou" is still a "bozou" if the person doesn't know the facts 
vis-a-vis the Liberation/ Aggression in Goa. The person can't assume to be a 
"bolinha" just because he or she thinks Nehru was at fault. zno doubt Nehru 
earned the wrath of many nations for abandonung his peace-loving statesmanship. 
As an advocate of non-aligment diplomacy, Nehru was criticised for using force. 
To manu he may have become a "bozou" from his position as "bolinha". To the 
Indians and Goan freedom-fighters he was a hero. 
Nehru died in 1964, and we don't know if he would give "special status" to Goa. 
Goa didn't qualify for this soecial status on its economic   confition, but 
perhaps Nehru would persuade his colleagues to give it on cultural issues.
Nehru, it seems, suffered the most, as the Nobel Prize for Peace, for which he 
was the favourite for thst year, was denied to him. 
I had a friend, Domingos Santos, secretary of the Lusitanian Society, which 
owned the famous Lusutanian club, and also tge populat meat shop in. bandra, 
wrote a small phamplet called Statehood -- the birthright of Goa (if I got the 
name right) showing how Goa could have benn guven statehood by Portugal. He 
showed the factors and that many nations were as small as Goa in land area. He 
was a fierce pro-Portuguese man. 

Eugene.



Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 2, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Venantius J Pinto  
> wrote:
> 
> Still a bozou by any other name does not become a bolinha, nor for that
> matter, phirni.
> —Venantius J Pinto
> 
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Venantius J Pinto > wrote:
> 
>> I see!
>> —Venantius
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 3:32 PM, Eugene Correia 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The story of Nehru defying Kennedy is "diplomatic" spin. Kennedy
>>> seemingly okayed India's plan but kept public silence. The US didn't get
>>> NATO into action as Portugal demanded. Portugal was part of the alliance.
>>> Kennedy was convinced that Portugal was adamant in clinging to Goa,  USA
>>> Ambassador, John Kenneth Galbraith, a Canadian-born US diplomat, played a
>>> big role. earlier, Canadian Ambassador, Escott Reid, was also on India's
>>> side.
>>> Portugal was not paying heed to USA's plea to give up Goa. Portugal also
>>> defied India's diplomatic efforts, till Nehru, pushed by circumtances and
>>> pressure from the freedom fighters and Defence Minister Krishna Menon,
>>> ordered the army to march into Goa.
>>> 
>>> What has happened since the, and the current problems, were not expected.
>>> But they are realities niw.
>>> 
>>> Eugene
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
> On Jan 1, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Roland Francis 
 wrote:
 
 The Praveen Davar article in the Hindu is either half-baked or
>>> conveniently omits an inconvenient truth.
 
 The much touted claim that the Portuguese were obstinate and Nehru was
>>> pushed into a corner by other Indians to use violence against Goa makes
>>> fools of thinking people.
 
 How about the non-violent approach of allowing Goans themselves who
>>> were virtually running the Portuguese administration in Goa, to determine
>>> Goa’s future for themselves, within a broad Indian framework rather than
>>> violently snatching it from them, thus  avoiding the Churchills Kamats and
>>> Parrikars, the progeny of louts, to thrust themselves on a virgin Goa of
>>> unblemished character.
 
 Did Nehru not foresee that his people are by an large a loutish lot
>>> prone to indiscipline and corruption and quick to forget the values that
>>> the British had drilled into them for 150 years. Did his intelligence and
>>> statesmanship not take into account that the the gigantic number of louts
>>> would squash the “liberated” territory, fashioning it in their own image of
>>> loutishness.
 
 Or was he vain enough to think that his promises of “special treatment”
>>> would be honoured by his surviving louts.
 
 Roland Francis
 416-453-3371
 
 
> On Jan 1, 2018, at 9:00 AM, Frederick Noronha <
>>> fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/the-liberation-of-goa/
>>> article22339624.ece
> --
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Re: [Goanet] The liberation of Goa: How Nehru defied the U.S. and used force against the Portuguese

[PAES]

 And the truth is here, too. Nehru washed away the pimple (Goa) from India's 
face, but left a huge scar (Kashmir) to fester till today.Bennet Paes
   On Wednesday 3 January 2018, 12:44:41 PM IST, Floriano Lobo 
 wrote: 
 
 The truth is here.

https://www.change.org/p/frustrated-with-india-s-refusal-to-grant-special-status-since-1961-un-general-assembly-is-petitioned-to-re-instate-goa-s-status-as-non-self-governing-territory-per-un-res-1542-xv-of-15-dec-60?recruiter=819113566_source=share_petition_campaign=share_facebook_responsive_medium=whatsapp

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 2:02 AM, Eugene Correia 
wrote:

> The story of Nehru defying Kennedy is "diplomatic" spin. Kennedy seemingly
> okayed India's plan but kept public silence. The US didn't get NATO into
> action as Portugal demanded. Portugal was part of the alliance.
> Kennedy was convinced that Portugal was adamant in clinging to Goa,  USA
> Ambassador, John Kenneth Galbraith, a Canadian-born US diplomat, played a
> big role. earlier, Canadian Ambassador, Escott Reid, was also on India's
> side.
> Portugal was not paying heed to USA's plea to give up Goa. Portugal also
> defied India's diplomatic efforts, till Nehru, pushed by circumtances and
> pressure from the freedom fighters and Defence Minister Krishna Menon,
> ordered the army to march into Goa.
>
> What has happened since the, and the current problems, were not expected.
> But they are realities niw.
>
> Eugene
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 1, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Roland Francis 
> wrote:
> >
> > The Praveen Davar article in the Hindu is either half-baked or
> conveniently omits an inconvenient truth.
> >
> > The much touted claim that the Portuguese were obstinate and Nehru was
> pushed into a corner by other Indians to use violence against Goa makes
> fools of thinking people.
> >
> > How about the non-violent approach of allowing Goans themselves who were
> virtually running the Portuguese administration in Goa, to determine Goa’s
> future for themselves, within a broad Indian framework rather than
> violently snatching it from them, thus  avoiding the Churchills Kamats and
> Parrikars, the progeny of louts, to thrust themselves on a virgin Goa of
> unblemished character.
> >
> > Did Nehru not foresee that his people are by an large a loutish lot
> prone to indiscipline and corruption and quick to forget the values that
> the British had drilled into them for 150 years. Did his intelligence and
> statesmanship not take into account that the the gigantic number of louts
> would squash the “liberated” territory, fashioning it in their own image of
> loutishness.
> >
> > Or was he vain enough to think that his promises of “special treatment”
> would be honoured by his surviving louts.
> >
> > Roland Francis
> > 416-453-3371
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 1, 2018, at 9:00 AM, Frederick Noronha <
> fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/the-liberation-
> of-goa/article22339624.ece
> >> --
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Re: [Goanet] The liberation of Goa: How Nehru defied the U.S. and used force against the Portuguese

[Venantius J Pinto]

Love it!, from VJP to BJP. Boze, bolinhas, and firkeo.
I just may may make it to the top layers of Goan society, with all the
extended support that may suddenly be my lot after all these years.

I am an intuit. Period. Many on Goanet are master analysts or so I still
believe.

—Venantius J Pinto

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 8:35 PM, Eugene Correia 
wrote:

> The words used By Venatius to characterize Nehtu seems like the current
> language used by the BJP to describe the Nehru family. i think Nehru was
> sincere in his remarks that Goa enjoys a distinct identity. But so was
> Pondicherry (now Puducherry).
> unlike the French, Portugal didn't want to leave with respect. Many blame
> Nehru for taking the case of Kashmir to the UN.
> In hindsight, one can say that Liberation/Aggression has brought mixed
> results. Goan youngsters sre getting education and a chance to do well in
> life. Yeah, the top layers of Goan society feel their power has been
> curtailed to a large degree.
> Opinions are divided.
>
> Eugene
>
> Sent from my iPad
>

Re: [Goanet] The liberation of Goa: How Nehru defied the U.S. and used force against the Portuguese

[Venantius J Pinto]

Still a bozou by any other name does not become a bolinha, nor for that
matter, phirni.
—Venantius J Pinto

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Venantius J Pinto  wrote:

> I see!
> —Venantius
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 3:32 PM, Eugene Correia 
> wrote:
>
>> The story of Nehru defying Kennedy is "diplomatic" spin. Kennedy
>> seemingly okayed India's plan but kept public silence. The US didn't get
>> NATO into action as Portugal demanded. Portugal was part of the alliance.
>> Kennedy was convinced that Portugal was adamant in clinging to Goa,  USA
>> Ambassador, John Kenneth Galbraith, a Canadian-born US diplomat, played a
>> big role. earlier, Canadian Ambassador, Escott Reid, was also on India's
>> side.
>> Portugal was not paying heed to USA's plea to give up Goa. Portugal also
>> defied India's diplomatic efforts, till Nehru, pushed by circumtances and
>> pressure from the freedom fighters and Defence Minister Krishna Menon,
>> ordered the army to march into Goa.
>>
>> What has happened since the, and the current problems, were not expected.
>> But they are realities niw.
>>
>> Eugene
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Jan 1, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Roland Francis 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > The Praveen Davar article in the Hindu is either half-baked or
>> conveniently omits an inconvenient truth.
>> >
>> > The much touted claim that the Portuguese were obstinate and Nehru was
>> pushed into a corner by other Indians to use violence against Goa makes
>> fools of thinking people.
>> >
>> > How about the non-violent approach of allowing Goans themselves who
>> were virtually running the Portuguese administration in Goa, to determine
>> Goa’s future for themselves, within a broad Indian framework rather than
>> violently snatching it from them, thus  avoiding the Churchills Kamats and
>> Parrikars, the progeny of louts, to thrust themselves on a virgin Goa of
>> unblemished character.
>> >
>> > Did Nehru not foresee that his people are by an large a loutish lot
>> prone to indiscipline and corruption and quick to forget the values that
>> the British had drilled into them for 150 years. Did his intelligence and
>> statesmanship not take into account that the the gigantic number of louts
>> would squash the “liberated” territory, fashioning it in their own image of
>> loutishness.
>> >
>> > Or was he vain enough to think that his promises of “special treatment”
>> would be honoured by his surviving louts.
>> >
>> > Roland Francis
>> > 416-453-3371
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Jan 1, 2018, at 9:00 AM, Frederick Noronha <
>> fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/the-liberation-of-goa/
>> article22339624.ece
>> >> --
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>
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Re: [Goanet] The liberation of Goa: How Nehru defied the U.S. and used force against the Portuguese

[Eugene Correia]

The words used By Venatius to characterize Nehtu seems like the current 
language used by the BJP to describe the Nehru family. i think Nehru was 
sincere in his remarks that Goa enjoys a distinct identity. But so was 
Pondicherry (now Puducherry). 
unlike the French, Portugal didn't want to leave with respect. Many blame Nehru 
for taking the case of Kashmir to the UN. 
In hindsight, one can say that Liberation/Aggression has brought mixed results. 
Goan youngsters sre getting education and a chance to do well in life. Yeah, 
the top layers of Goan society feel their power has been curtailed to a large 
degree. 
Opinions are divided. 

Eugene

Sent from my iPad

Re: [Goanet] The liberation of Goa: How Nehru defied the U.S. and used force against the Portuguese

[Floriano Lobo]

The truth is here.

https://www.change.org/p/frustrated-with-india-s-refusal-to-grant-special-status-since-1961-un-general-assembly-is-petitioned-to-re-instate-goa-s-status-as-non-self-governing-territory-per-un-res-1542-xv-of-15-dec-60?recruiter=819113566_source=share_petition_campaign=share_facebook_responsive_medium=whatsapp

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 2:02 AM, Eugene Correia 
wrote:

> The story of Nehru defying Kennedy is "diplomatic" spin. Kennedy seemingly
> okayed India's plan but kept public silence. The US didn't get NATO into
> action as Portugal demanded. Portugal was part of the alliance.
> Kennedy was convinced that Portugal was adamant in clinging to Goa,  USA
> Ambassador, John Kenneth Galbraith, a Canadian-born US diplomat, played a
> big role. earlier, Canadian Ambassador, Escott Reid, was also on India's
> side.
> Portugal was not paying heed to USA's plea to give up Goa. Portugal also
> defied India's diplomatic efforts, till Nehru, pushed by circumtances and
> pressure from the freedom fighters and Defence Minister Krishna Menon,
> ordered the army to march into Goa.
>
> What has happened since the, and the current problems, were not expected.
> But they are realities niw.
>
> Eugene
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 1, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Roland Francis 
> wrote:
> >
> > The Praveen Davar article in the Hindu is either half-baked or
> conveniently omits an inconvenient truth.
> >
> > The much touted claim that the Portuguese were obstinate and Nehru was
> pushed into a corner by other Indians to use violence against Goa makes
> fools of thinking people.
> >
> > How about the non-violent approach of allowing Goans themselves who were
> virtually running the Portuguese administration in Goa, to determine Goa’s
> future for themselves, within a broad Indian framework rather than
> violently snatching it from them, thus  avoiding the Churchills Kamats and
> Parrikars, the progeny of louts, to thrust themselves on a virgin Goa of
> unblemished character.
> >
> > Did Nehru not foresee that his people are by an large a loutish lot
> prone to indiscipline and corruption and quick to forget the values that
> the British had drilled into them for 150 years. Did his intelligence and
> statesmanship not take into account that the the gigantic number of louts
> would squash the “liberated” territory, fashioning it in their own image of
> loutishness.
> >
> > Or was he vain enough to think that his promises of “special treatment”
> would be honoured by his surviving louts.
> >
> > Roland Francis
> > 416-453-3371
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 1, 2018, at 9:00 AM, Frederick Noronha <
> fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/the-liberation-
> of-goa/article22339624.ece
> >> --
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Re: [Goanet] The liberation of Goa: How Nehru defied the U.S. and used force against the Portuguese

[Eugene Correia]

The story of Nehru defying Kennedy is "diplomatic" spin. Kennedy seemingly 
okayed India's plan but kept public silence. The US didn't get NATO into action 
as Portugal demanded. Portugal was part of the alliance. 
Kennedy was convinced that Portugal was adamant in clinging to Goa,  USA 
Ambassador, John Kenneth Galbraith, a Canadian-born US diplomat, played a big 
role. earlier, Canadian Ambassador, Escott Reid, was also on India's side. 
Portugal was not paying heed to USA's plea to give up Goa. Portugal also defied 
India's diplomatic efforts, till Nehru, pushed by circumtances and pressure 
from the freedom fighters and Defence Minister Krishna Menon, ordered the army 
to march into Goa.

What has happened since the, and the current problems, were not expected. But 
they are realities niw.

Eugene

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 1, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> The Praveen Davar article in the Hindu is either half-baked or conveniently 
> omits an inconvenient truth.
> 
> The much touted claim that the Portuguese were obstinate and Nehru was pushed 
> into a corner by other Indians to use violence against Goa makes fools of 
> thinking people.
> 
> How about the non-violent approach of allowing Goans themselves who were 
> virtually running the Portuguese administration in Goa, to determine Goa’s 
> future for themselves, within a broad Indian framework rather than violently 
> snatching it from them, thus  avoiding the Churchills Kamats and Parrikars, 
> the progeny of louts, to thrust themselves on a virgin Goa of unblemished 
> character.
> 
> Did Nehru not foresee that his people are by an large a loutish lot prone to 
> indiscipline and corruption and quick to forget the values that the British 
> had drilled into them for 150 years. Did his intelligence and statesmanship 
> not take into account that the the gigantic number of louts would squash the 
> “liberated” territory, fashioning it in their own image of loutishness.
> 
> Or was he vain enough to think that his promises of “special treatment” would 
> be honoured by his surviving louts.
> 
> Roland Francis
> 416-453-3371
> 
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2018, at 9:00 AM, Frederick Noronha  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/the-liberation-of-goa/article22339624.ece
>> -- 
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Re: [Goanet] The liberation of Goa: How Nehru defied the U.S. and used force against the Portuguese

[Venantius J Pinto]

Nehru was a cockup and a showoff to put it kindly. He probably wanted to
show to the African nationals that he was rad, and that he could show them
what revolutions are all about!

India, the nation and the ideas that are India, would have actually
benefitted by having a cultural neighbor, that was being shaped by Goans
themselves in a different "buyao." The idea should not have been
annexation, but independence if so fraught with angst at having a colonial
cousin. The autonomy?! At least the opportunity to decide. That would have
been the pinnacle of glory. Exactly as you put it. I hate it we do not have
poetry coming out of the fecal matter of the ideas that pass for politics.

Btw, by now the Hindus for example would be having their cakes and eating
them too. Meaning seriously of both world on a high plinth.

Here, good use of vain, but he did not have to wait for anyone. These guys
were defacto thugs, with their shits and giggles thrown in. (Study those
pictures of him).

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 1:39 PM, Roland Francis 
wrote:

> The Praveen Davar article in the Hindu is either half-baked or
> conveniently omits an inconvenient truth.
>
> The much touted claim that the Portuguese were obstinate and Nehru was
> pushed into a corner by other Indians to use violence against Goa makes
> fools of thinking people.
>
> How about the non-violent approach of allowing Goans themselves who were
> virtually running the Portuguese administration in Goa, to determine Goa’s
> future for themselves, within a broad Indian framework rather than
> violently snatching it from them, thus  avoiding the Churchills Kamats and
> Parrikars, the progeny of louts, to thrust themselves on a virgin Goa of
> unblemished character.
>
> Did Nehru not foresee that his people are by an large a loutish lot prone
> to indiscipline and corruption and quick to forget the values that the
> British had drilled into them for 150 years. Did his intelligence and
> statesmanship not take into account that the the gigantic number of louts
> would squash the “liberated” territory, fashioning it in their own image of
> loutishness.
>
> Or was he vain enough to think that his promises of “special treatment”
> would be honoured by his surviving louts.
>
> Roland Francis
> 416-453-3371
>
>
> > On Jan 1, 2018, at 9:00 AM, Frederick Noronha <
> fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/the-liberation-
> of-goa/article22339624.ece
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Re: [Goanet] The liberation of Goa: How Nehru defied the U.S. and used force against the Portuguese

[Venantius J Pinto]

What I find disconcerting is that our zealots ⁂ of all ilks (chikri pot),
and ills (bonkan bott) love (mag kay, mah.kay, zalach pahije) what Nehru
did vis-a-vis Goa; and / but they hate everything else about that pandit.
Now does that say a little something about our 5,000 year and counting
civilization!

Kay amche guna‽

—Venantius J Pinto

2018-01-01 9:00 GMT-05:00 Frederick Noronha :

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Re: [Goanet] The liberation of Goa: How Nehru defied the U.S. and used force against the Portuguese

[Roland Francis]

The Praveen Davar article in the Hindu is either half-baked or conveniently 
omits an inconvenient truth.

The much touted claim that the Portuguese were obstinate and Nehru was pushed 
into a corner by other Indians to use violence against Goa makes fools of 
thinking people.

How about the non-violent approach of allowing Goans themselves who were 
virtually running the Portuguese administration in Goa, to determine Goa’s 
future for themselves, within a broad Indian framework rather than violently 
snatching it from them, thus  avoiding the Churchills Kamats and Parrikars, the 
progeny of louts, to thrust themselves on a virgin Goa of unblemished character.

Did Nehru not foresee that his people are by an large a loutish lot prone to 
indiscipline and corruption and quick to forget the values that the British had 
drilled into them for 150 years. Did his intelligence and statesmanship not 
take into account that the the gigantic number of louts would squash the 
“liberated” territory, fashioning it in their own image of loutishness.

Or was he vain enough to think that his promises of “special treatment” would 
be honoured by his surviving louts.

Roland Francis
416-453-3371


> On Jan 1, 2018, at 9:00 AM, Frederick Noronha  
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> 
> http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/the-liberation-of-goa/article22339624.ece
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[Goanet] The liberation of Goa: How Nehru defied the U.S. and used force against the Portuguese

[Frederick Noronha]

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