Re: [Goanet] Travel advice to UK nationals travelling to Goa and other parts of the world (Response to JC)

2014-07-11 Thread Jose
On Jul 10, 2014, at 10:50 AM, Melvyn Fernandes mel...@orange.net wrote:

Dear JC.(1) Kithem santam raebikinistop shot men peon Goa 
advisors ..  ..accelerators...(2) unscrupulous doctors and taxi 
drivers.knickers. (3) Duty of careIf there were no patients you 
would not have doctorsfootball...legislatorsour tiny dot of (4)Goa 
where people appear to backward, stupid ...My Village SchemeBishop's house 
...


My dear Melvyn,

I will attempt to touch on the few points I have numbered (above) from your 
rather intriguing post. If Goanet carries that post, the following is my 
response.

MF(1) Kithem santam rae
jc: NO idea what that means.or even in what language ..

MF(2) unscrupulous doctors
jc: Yes, regrettably, we have them everywhere, including in Goa and in the UK.

MF(3) Duty of care
jc: Yes, that is a specific term in Tort and in Legal Medicine. In medicine, it 
relates to the duty a physician has towards a patient with whom he has an 
established physician-patient relationship. 

MF(4) Goa where people appear to backward, stupid ..
jc: My impression of Goa and it's people is exactly the opposite.  What company 
do you keep when you visit Goa?

PS: I will take this opportunity to reiterate a few points I have made earlier:

a: Private doctors' offices are NOT charity service outlets.

b:  As a matter of policy and good business practice, doctors' offices MUST  
ascertain  HOW their services will be compensated BEFORE the patient is touched 
UNLESS they (the doctors' offices) do NOT intend to pay their own licensing 
fees, malpractice premiums, their rental and utility bills and their staff, AND 
they intend to go broke in short order.

c: While a physician may, on occasion, decide to NC (no charge) a patient in 
need, he cannot make that as a routinenor can he advertise free or 
reduced-fee services. The latter is considered as a form of bribery and unfair 
inducement (kick back).

d: When dealing with 'foreign' patients, the physicians' offices have to be 
extra vigilant. Some tourists believe that just because they have 'Travel 
Insurance' (say from the UK), the doctor in Goa is expected to see them right 
away. NOT So.

e: Many of our UK Goans may NOT be aware that Health Insurance policies have 
many caveats eg:  deductibles, copays and their own 'customary' rates. Some 
policies require prior pre-certification by the physician OR ELSE the services 
will be either not be compensated for or compensated at a significantly lower 
rate. All this after the appropriate forms have been completed with ICD and CPT 
codes.  US and Canadian Goans will understand this because they routinely see 
EOBs (Explanation of Benefits) after they consult a private physician. BTW: It 
is possible that some UK Goans are unaware that Goa private doctors are NOT 
paid by the NHS-UK..or any other NHS.

f: ' Faleam' and 'Deu Borem Korum baba' do not help compensate for services 
provided.

g:  Melvyn, based on the information you have hitherto provided, IMO, your 
sweeping tirade against Goans and Goan doctors is totally inappropriate.

h: Again, based on the information you have hitherto provided, the water 
injection story as advised by the UK doctor is pure Gas.

jc



Re: [Goanet] Travel advice to UK nationals travelling to Goa and other parts of the world (Response to JC)

2014-07-11 Thread Sam Furtado
HAIL THE KING?



On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Jose cola...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Jul 10, 2014, at 10:50 AM, Melvyn Fernandes mel...@orange.net wrote:

 Dear JC.(1) Kithem santam raebikinistop shot men peon Goa
 advisors ..  ..accelerators...(2) unscrupulous doctors and taxi
 drivers.knickers. (3) Duty of careIf there were no patients you
 would not have doctorsfootball...legislatorsour tiny dot of (4)Goa
 where people appear to backward, stupid ...My Village SchemeBishop's
 house ...


 My dear Melvyn,

 I will attempt to touch on the few points I have numbered (above) from
 your rather intriguing post. If Goanet carries that post, the following is
 my response.

 MF(1) Kithem santam rae
 jc: NO idea what that means.or even in what language ..

 MF(2) unscrupulous doctors
 jc: Yes, regrettably, we have them everywhere, including in Goa and in the
 UK.

 MF(3) Duty of care
 jc: Yes, that is a specific term in Tort and in Legal Medicine. In
 medicine, it relates to the duty a physician has towards a patient with
 whom he has an established physician-patient relationship.

 MF(4) Goa where people appear to backward, stupid ..
 jc: My impression of Goa and it's people is exactly the opposite.  What
 company do you keep when you visit Goa?

 PS: I will take this opportunity to reiterate a few points I have made
 earlier:

 a: Private doctors' offices are NOT charity service outlets.

 b:  As a matter of policy and good business practice, doctors' offices
 MUST  ascertain  HOW their services will be compensated BEFORE the patient
 is touched UNLESS they (the doctors' offices) do NOT intend to pay their
 own licensing fees, malpractice premiums, their rental and utility bills
 and their staff, AND they intend to go broke in short order.

 c: While a physician may, on occasion, decide to NC (no charge) a patient
 in need, he cannot make that as a routinenor can he advertise free or
 reduced-fee services. The latter is considered as a form of bribery and
 unfair inducement (kick back).

 d: When dealing with 'foreign' patients, the physicians' offices have to
 be extra vigilant. Some tourists believe that just because they have
 'Travel Insurance' (say from the UK), the doctor in Goa is expected to see
 them right away. NOT So.

 e: Many of our UK Goans may NOT be aware that Health Insurance policies
 have many caveats eg:  deductibles, copays and their own 'customary' rates.
 Some policies require prior pre-certification by the physician OR ELSE the
 services will be either not be compensated for or compensated at a
 significantly lower rate. All this after the appropriate forms have been
 completed with ICD and CPT codes.  US and Canadian Goans will understand
 this because they routinely see EOBs (Explanation of Benefits) after they
 consult a private physician. BTW: It is possible that some UK Goans are
 unaware that Goa private doctors are NOT paid by the NHS-UK..or any
 other NHS.

 f: ' Faleam' and 'Deu Borem Korum baba' do not help compensate for
 services provided.

 g:  Melvyn, based on the information you have hitherto provided, IMO, your
 sweeping tirade against Goans and Goan doctors is totally inappropriate.

 h: Again, based on the information you have hitherto provided, the water
 injection story as advised by the UK doctor is pure Gas.

 jc




[Goanet] Travel advice to UK nationals travelling to Goa and other parts of the world (Response to JC)

2014-07-10 Thread Melvyn Fernandes
Dear JC

Kithem santam rae.   You will recall this thread started with a discussion on 
the banning of bikinis on Goa's beaches worn by women who visit Goa as they are 
denied the glorious sunshine and Vitamin D that Goa is blessed with.   The 
wearing of bikinis in a democracy can express their feminine form but 
unfortunately are attracting illiterate men who do not know how to look and not 
touch.   The debate was by a high percentage of top shot men peon Goa 
advisors who should know by now that you can put your foot down on the 
accelerator and know exactly where you are going.   You can put your foot down 
on a woman and you cannot be sure which direction your decision will take you.  
 

Recent discussions on unscrupulous doctors and taxi drivers appears to have got 
this thread like knickers in a twist.  Incidentally, knickers are very much in 
the UK headlines at the moment and there is a strong possibility they too will 
be banned at airports soon - a woman was caught carrying GBP 16,000 in her 
knickers at Heathrow airport.

Life is short and not a dress rehearsal.   We all have a RESPONSIBILITY and 
DUTY OF CARE to each other for a better world.   If no one has said this 
before, allow me to be the first.   

If there were no patients you would not have doctors.   If there were no 
doctors, you would not have medicine.   If you had no medicine, you would not 
have chemists and universities.   On the other hand, if we did not have 
robbers, they would no need for police.   And just like football, if you have 
no rules, there would be no game.   No legislators would mean no laws and a 
breeding ground for corruption, extortion and a useless quality of life.   I 
hope you can agree.

We cannot save the whole world but we can start with our tiny dot of Goa where 
people appear to backward, stupid and applying for special status to confirm 
this.   

I believe that the cream and talent of Goa is still in Goa and those of us 
living abroad that can assist have the opportunity to do so.   I welcome the 
announcement by the NRI office 

Quote

My Village Scheme Goan expatriates gainfully employed in overseas countries 
have often expressed their desire to contribute to the development of their 
native areas where they were born or brought up or have their roots. Their 
contribution to the development process could be in any infrastructure project 
or scheme of public interest, which would either help in improving the living 
conditions of the community at large or provide the much needed facilities 
which the civic bodies are unable to provide basically due to lack of funds. 

Against this background, the Department of NRI Affairs has formulated a scheme 
under the title My Village Scheme whereby the Goan expatriates may contribute 
to the development of project beneficial to the public at large in their native 
areas where they were born or brought up or have their roots. 
 Unquote

This announcement on the Global Goans website does not indicate who to contact 
and may I suggest if you are able to take any part in this scheme you e-mail 
the NRI office on
commissionernri_goa  [commissionernri_goa] 

Please send me a copy for information as I am still awaiting a reply from 
Bishops House in Panjim on a communication I sent on the welfare of their 
staff.   In keeping with protocol, I was hoping to send a copy with the Pope 
(but unfortunately he is not visiting Goa)and Anna Maria, a contributor on 
goanet, who is well versed in matters of the cloth.   I am happy to forward 
this letter to anyone travelling to Goa who can visit Bishops House and chase 
up a reply from them.


Melvyn Fernandes
Thornton Heath, Surrey, UK

10 July 2014


[Goanet] Travel advice to UK nationals travelling to Goa and other parts of the world (Response to JC)

2014-07-10 Thread Dr . Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão


Melvyn Fernandes melvyn
at orange.net  on Thu Jul 10
07:50:58 PDT 2014  wrote:

… If there were no patients you would not have doctors.   
If there were no doctors, you would not have medicine.   
If you had no medicine, you would not have chemists and universities.   
On the other hand, if we did not have robbers, they would no need for police.   
And just like football, if you have no rules, there would be no game.   
No legislators would mean no laws and a breeding ground for corruption, 
extortion 
and a useless quality of life.   I hope you can agree…..

 

COMMENT:


I can now
see how some people can be so ignorant!

From time
immemorial there existed illness; we can know from any history. 
Meaning, there always
were patients and there were always healers/doctors.

Presently,
not only doctors, but also lay people have advanced with development. Travelers
have advisors including in the medical field depending which part of the globe
is travelled.

 They advise as to what medicines to carry or what
medicines to consume for prevention of certain illness that is endemic in a 
certain
places. Basic prevention of traveler’s 
illnesses, like traveler’s  diarrhea,
etc. are also available if  one just
googles the net.

Well. It is
each one’s choice! If one wants to learn to protect oneself, or one wants t
blame someone else for a misfortune that could be prevented!



Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
  

[Goanet] Travel advice to UK nationals travelling to Goa and other parts of the world (Response to JC and FRF))

2014-07-09 Thread Melvyn Fernandes
Hi JC, Dr Ferdinando dos Reis Falcao and interested parties

Response to JC
JC1:  My only point was this: For private medical practices to run, it is 
IMPORTANT that the physician gets reasonably compensated for his/her services. 
Accordingly, it is crucial that the physician's office ascertains HOW the 
compensation will be organised BEFORE the physician touches the patient.
MF1:  In theory, a doctor’s first duty is to save lives.   When a patient is in 
a critical state, he is unable to reach for his wallet hence there will be a 
communication problem with regard to renumeration.   In this case, who is to be 
compensated?  The patient for not receiving adequate care or the 
doctor/physician for not providing appropriate care rather than playing for 
time. 
Perhaps the International Association of Goan Doctors who I heard of through 
World Goa Day can come in on this – Mr Rene Baretto please co-ordinate through 
Yahoo Groups.


JC2:  I will conclude this post by expressing my astonishment at the following 
from today's post from you: 
1:  the nurse came and gave what appeared to be blood thinning injections in 
the stomach but actually it was just plain water as we discovered on a check up 
back in the UK. 
2: An ECG reading should take no more than ten minutes with a print out on 
graph paper telling the medical technician what the heart rate
MF2:  What can be astonishing to us is normal in every day life in Goa with no 
regard for health and safety.   In this issue I can only assume that the 
supplier sold the hospital fake goods that even the doctors or nurses were 
unaware of.   Who checks this?   I was present when these injections were 
administered and the wrapping looked original.
My friend had a thorough check-up in private health care in the UK when he 
returned and it was only then he was advised that he had been injected with 
water.
Also notes provided by the Goa doctor to my friend were very selective and 
vague.
 Response to Dr Ferdinando dos Reis Falcao
FRF1:Well, whom do you place the blame on, for your experience?
1- The Goa government which does not have adequate Health care facilities?
2- The Private Medical care Centres which have their own unregulated private 
agenda?
3- The public/relative who make a decision as to where the patient concerned 
should be admitted?
4- The patient himself who does not make adequate plans as to his decision in 
case of any medical emergency?
MF1:  There is no right or wrong answer, just a statement of fact.   Luckily my 
friend did not die as he only had food poisoning.   I am not sure what 
precautions can be taken in case of emergency.  Perhaps local newspapers can do 
a quick guide to be cut out and kept at notice boards of every guest house and 
hotel for visitors to make note in different locations.   Maybe this note will 
encourage other readers to advise how they got on if they had a medical 
emergency in Goa and which Government agency did they contact for their 
attention and continued action.    After all a healthy population equals a 
healthy economy which can only be good for the State.
DF2:  You people write as though you all are so learned…..
FRF2:  Escola ghela, cannot be a bad thing.   Rewinding back in time our 
educated ancestors were readily available for export to Africa on the cheap as 
administrative coolies (this is covered in my note in item 12 goanet issue no. 
290, vol 9 14 May 2014).   This is also where crab mentality may have developed 
to stop clever people going into the wild and putting themselves in harm's way. 
FRF3:   ……..and that you still did not have a plan made as to where to go, or 
to be taken in case of a medical emergency? Are these not part and parcel of 
Safety Procedures for travel? You’ll exhibit complete complacency in decisions 
on your health, well being, as well as your life, on unknown people?!
MF3:  Tuja toklem sarkim asa?   Make a plan?  Do we have time for this?  The 
only time we have before we leave the UK to travel to Goa is for shopping, our 
lists prepared months in advance.  Oil of Ulay, Channel Perfume, Sloggi 
Knickers, Creamier Chocolates, iPods, Football shirts, Packet Soups, Oxo Cubes, 
Raisons, the list is endless.   Now added to this list Rose has reminded me to 
take children’s books for Frederick’s Saligao village library.   Thankfully 
bikinis will soon be banned in Goa so one less thing for us to shop for.   We 
then have to weigh all this to fit in within the maximum luggage allowance!   
The pressure to find space to put your own clothes sometimes means when you get 
to Goa you then shop for your wardrobe and still find someone you left out on 
your present list.   This is what we have to do to avoid sad faces and ensure 
we have a well deserved happy vacation.
If you are a Goykar and live abroad, you must be a very brave person if you go 
to Goa without any presents for your relatives and friends.


Melvyn Fernandes
Thornton Heath, Surrey, United Kingdom
9 July 2014 
 




Re: [Goanet] Travel advice to UK nationals travelling to Goa and other parts of the world (Response to JC and FRF))

2014-07-09 Thread Jose
Melvyn Fernandes (MF) wrote:

Response to JC
(PART ONE)
JC1:  My only point was this: For private medical practices to run, it is 
IMPORTANT that the physician gets reasonably compensated for his/her services. 
Accordingly, it is crucial that the physician's office ascertains HOW the 
compensation will be organised BEFORE the physician touches the patient.
MF1:  In theory, a doctor’s first duty is to save lives.   When a patient is in 
a critical state, he is unable to reach for his wallet hence there will be a 
communication problem with regard to renumeration.   In this case, who is to be 
compensated?  The patient for not receiving adequate care or the 
doctor/physician for not providing appropriate care rather than playing for 
time. 
Perhaps the International Association of Goan Doctors who I heard of through 
World Goa Day can come in on this – Mr Rene Baretto please co-ordinate through 
Yahoo Groups.


-jc(RESPONSE July 9, 2014) PART ONE-

a:  Except in Judaism, and in French and some US state law, There is NO DUTY on 
the part of a doctor (or any other person) to SAVE the LIFE of any other 
person. 
b: Also, a doctor in PRIVATE practice has NO DUTY (responsibility, obligation) 
to see or treat an individual with whom he has NO established Physician-Patient 
relationship.


c: Physicians's offices must ascertain HOW the services are to be compensated, 
ideally BEFORE the patient is touched. IF NOT, they run the risk of going broke 
in a hurry.
d: This will also prevent unethical (and IMO illegal) actions like a physician 
confiscating a patient's passport because he was unable to pay after receiving 
the treatment (as reportedly happened in a North Goa village).

e: There are specific procedures in place, in Common Law, for patients to claim 
for Medical Negligence or to report Fraud. 

f: Health care and Doctors are governed by specific Legal and Ethical 
principles and guidelines. The  courts in India and the medical council in Goa 
have the responsibility to ensure that those principles and guidelines are 
adhered to. (The same as in the UK). 

g: No Association of International or Internet Goans (their good intentions 
having been noted) can dictate to Goan doctors HOW to run the business side of 
their practices. They may, however, make suggestions to the Goa Medical Council 
based upon verifiable details and not assumptions and hearsay. (Please vide  
'j' infra )

-
(PART TWO)
JC2:  I will conclude this post by expressing my astonishment at the following 
from today's post from you: 
1:  the nurse came and gave what appeared to be blood thinning injections in 
the stomach but actually it was just plain water as we discovered on a check up 
back in the UK. 
2: An ECG reading should take no more than ten minutes with a print out on 
graph paper telling the medical technician what the heart rate

MF2:  What can be astonishing to us is normal in every day life in Goa with no 
regard for health and safety.   In this issue I can only assume that the 
supplier sold the hospital fake goods that even the doctors or nurses were 
unaware of.   Who checks this?   I was present when these injections were 
administered and the wrapping looked original.
My friend had a thorough check-up in private health care in the UK when he 
returned and it was only then he was advised that he had been injected with 
water.
Also notes provided by the Goa doctor to my friend were very selective and 
vague.


- jc(RESPONSE July 9, 2014) PART TWO-

WHILE what you say may be normal in every day life in Goa, the following is 
what I found astonishing in your post:

h: 'blood thinning injections in the stomach':  What 'blood thinning agents' in 
what 'STOMACH'?
i:   On what basis did the UK doctor advise your friend that he had been 
injected with WATER? BTW: Were you there with this friend when the UK doctor 
allegedly said that?  It would be good to know HOW he ascertained that.
j: While I am aware of the reported adulteration of medications and IV fluids 
in India, I am not going to be party to any assumptions about what was injected 
into your friend. (Please vide 'g' supra).

k: wrt Medical Reports, if I was an UK based physician, I would have got a hold 
of the email of the Candolim hospital / doctor, obtained the necessary patient 
consent and requested the information I needed, instead of just stating the the 
Goa doctor's note was vague. Of course, I would have to explain WHY I wanted 
the extra information I was requesting.

In closing this response, I will make the following comments:

A:  Evidence of substandard healthcare delivery exists in all countries. The UK 
is not immune from it. That is why Medical Law developed in the UK over the 
past 25 years. (PLEASE review APPENDIX 1 infra)

B: Goa surely has its share of unscrupulous medical practice and practitioners. 
It is right to criticise that which is substandard. BUT, As we strive to make 
it better, we must also be fair.  We must also 

[Goanet] Travel advice to UK nationals travelling to Goa and other parts of the world (Response to JC)

2014-07-08 Thread Melvyn Fernandes
Dear JC

There are doctors and there are doctors.  In Goa some behave like unscrupulous 
taxi drivers when it comes to charging as our people are easily frightened and 
believe that their lives are in the hands of doctors who take advantage of this 
belief.   These doctors need to be reminded they are not God and that there is 
a higher authority that will assist sincere doctors and their assistants who 
take pride in patient care duties at whatever the nominal rate is.   Unlike 
others who can only see money first regardless of patient care.   

My experience of this was when a friend of mine took  ill in Goa last year 
having had lunch at a beach shack in Candolim.   To cut a long story short, he 
had food poisioning.   What happened, a Goa government ambulance was called 
from Mapusa to the residence in Candolim.   The ambulance crew was very 
professional (full marks to them) and took an ECG reading on their antiquated 
mobile equipment.   They then took another ECG reading fitted inside the 
ambulance which I travelled in and got a more accurate picture.  A friend of 
his stopped the ambulance from proceeding to the Government hospital in Mapusa 
and we were directed to a private teaching hospital in Candolim.   The building 
looked all professional and we had to sign some paperwork discharging the 
ambulance crew.   There was no cost involved up to this point.   

At the hospital the doctor and the cardiologist would have frightened anyone 
with no medical knowledge as their expressions and theatorical performance 
indicated he was in a critical condition.  Food poisioning makes you weak.   He 
was wired up to an antiquated ECG machine that will have been redundant in 
Europe and we were asked to watch the monitor.  Something like the sonar 
machine from Thunder Birds.   He was connected to an oxygen supply that had no 
oxygen coming out.   Had he urgently needed oxygen he would have brain dead.   
He was also connected to a saline drip that did not work.   In the evenings, 
the nurse came and gave what appeared to be blood thinning injections in the 
stomach but actually it was just plain water as we discovered on a check up 
back in the UK.   I did ask the nurse in Konkani whether the equipment was for 
decoration.   Her expression was, as with most of our people, dumb founded.   
The doctor advised that my friend was not fit for travel.  We then informed him 
that we would be travelling anyway and to disconnect all the wired up stuff 
which continued to stay on all day.   

By 7pm in the evening, the doctor had gone home.   In order words he will have 
been overcharging on a daily charge rate.   I checked my friend's pulse and it 
seemed normal.  Assuming his blood pressure would be okay, unlike tyre pressure 
or boiler pressure, we made an executive decision, removed all the wired up 
bits and asked the nurse for the bill.   The doctor then turned up from his 
house next door, phoned the cardiologist for her cut and calculated an 
extortionate bill for my friend's stay in the hospital.   Bearing in mind 24 
hour care is available in Goa, a spare bed is provided for relations to keep 
watch on the patient and they also have to come with home made food that has no 
bearing on the condition of the patient.  Had this been a normal hospital I 
doubt the issue would be the same.   I will be travelling to Goa in December 
and make it a point to visit the Government hospital in Mapusa so that your 
question on renumeration can be fully answered.  

Lessons are learnt but never applied.   Perhaps someone in authority can tell 
us how the Goa health care system works.   Whether administrative peon or 
senior sirs with their administrative skills left over from British India.  

Where does the local public and visitors address their grievances to in what 
appears to be an unregulated free for all so called medical care?   The 
insurance companies need to get involved in this matter as this means higher 
premiums for travel insurance to cover unnecessary costs.


NB:   An ECG reading should take no more than ten minutes with a print out on 
graph paper telling the medical technician what the heart rate is.


Best regards.

Melvyn Fernandes
Thornton Heath, Surrey, CR7 8HJ

8 July 2014


Re: [Goanet] Travel advice to UK nationals travelling to Goa and other parts of the world (Response to JC)

2014-07-08 Thread Jose
Dear Melvyn,

Thank you for your long but well written post. 

I can actually visualise that experience. It mirrors mine.when my Mum took 
ill in Goa.


But, that was not the point I was making.(pl see Appendix 1)

My only point was this: For private medical practices to run, it is IMPORTANT 
that the physician gets reasonably compensated for his/her services. 
Accordingly, it is crucial that the physician's office ascertains HOW the 
compensation will be organised BEFORE the physician touches the patient.

There are many other facets involved in health insurance and what it covers. 
That is a topic for another day. 

I will conclude this post by expressing my astonishment at the following from 
today's post from you: 

1:  the nurse came and gave what appeared to be blood thinning injections in 
the stomach but actually it was just plain water as we discovered on a check up 
back in the UK. 

2: An ECG reading should take no more than ten minutes with a print out on 
graph paper telling the medical technician what the heart rate

best

jc

---Appendix 1
On Jul 6, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Melvyn Fernandes mel...@orange.net wrote:
In Goa, just like Spain and Greece, private doctors behave like car mechanics 
and before treatment demand to know how they are going to be paid and what 
insurance or credit card their patient has rather than putting their patient's 
needs first.

My dear Melvyn,

Are you suggesting that private doctors in Goa should not be doing that? 
Or that it is, in some way, unethical to do that?

Additionally,  should private doctors expect to be compensated (reasonably) for 
their services? If so, how else do they ensure that they will  be compensated ?

jc

--Appendix 2--

On Jul 8, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Melvyn Fernandes mel...@orange.net wrote:
 
 Dear JC
 
 There are doctors and there are doctors.  In Goa some behave like 
 unscrupulous taxi drivers when it comes to charging as our people are easily 
 frightened and believe that their lives are in the hands of doctors who take 
 advantage of this belief.   These doctors need to be reminded they are not 
 God and that there is a higher authority that will assist sincere doctors and 
 their assistants who take pride in patient care duties at whatever the 
 nominal rate is.   Unlike others who can only see money first regardless of 
 patient care.   
 
 My experience of this was when a friend of mine took  ill in Goa last year 
 having had lunch at a beach shack in Candolim.   To cut a long story short, 
 he had food poisioning.   What happened, a Goa government ambulance was 
 called from Mapusa to the residence in Candolim.   The ambulance crew was 
 very professional (full marks to them) and took an ECG reading on their 
 antiquated mobile equipment.   They then took another ECG reading fitted 
 inside the ambulance which I travelled in and got a more accurate picture.  A 
 friend of his stopped the ambulance from proceeding to the Government 
 hospital in Mapusa and we were directed to a private teaching hospital in 
 Candolim.   The building looked all professional and we had to sign some 
 paperwork discharging the ambulance crew.   There was no cost involved up to 
 this point.   
 
 At the hospital the doctor and the cardiologist would have frightened anyone 
 with no medical knowledge as their expressions and theatorical performance 
 indicated he was in a critical condition.  Food poisioning makes you weak.   
 He was wired up to an antiquated ECG machine that will have been redundant in 
 Europe and we were asked to watch the monitor.  Something like the sonar 
 machine from Thunder Birds.   He was connected to an oxygen supply that had 
 no oxygen coming out.   Had he urgently needed oxygen he would have brain 
 dead.   He was also connected to a saline drip that did not work.   In the 
 evenings, the nurse came and gave what appeared to be blood thinning 
 injections in the stomach but actually it was just plain water as we 
 discovered on a check up back in the UK.   I did ask the nurse in Konkani 
 whether the equipment was for decoration.   Her expression was, as with most 
 of our people, dumb founded.   The doctor advised that my friend was not fit 
 for travel.  We then informed him that we would be travelling anyway and to 
 disconnect all the wired up stuff which continued to stay on all day.   
 
 By 7pm in the evening, the doctor had gone home.   In order words he will 
 have been overcharging on a daily charge rate.   I checked my friend's pulse 
 and it seemed normal.  Assuming his blood pressure would be okay, unlike tyre 
 pressure or boiler pressure, we made an executive decision, removed all the 
 wired up bits and asked the nurse for the bill.   The doctor then turned up 
 from his house next door, phoned the cardiologist for her cut and calculated 
 an extortionate bill for my friend's stay in the hospital.   Bearing in mind 
 24 hour care is available in Goa, a spare bed is provided for 

[Goanet] Travel advice to UK nationals travelling to Goa and other parts of the world (Response to JC)

2014-07-08 Thread Dr . Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão


Melvyn Fernandes melvyn
at orange.net  on Tue Jul 8
06:27:16 PDT 2014  wrote:

There are doctors and there are
doctors.  In Goa some behave like unscrupulous taxi drivers when it comes
to charging as our people are easily frightened and believe that their lives
are in the hands of doctors who take advantage of this belief.  
These doctors need to be reminded they are not God and that there is a higher
authority that will assist sincere doctors and their assistants who take pride
in patient care duties at whatever the nominal rate is.   Unlike
others who can only see money first regardless of patient care.   

 

My experience of this was when a
friend of mine took  ill in Goa last year having had lunch at a beach
shack in Candolim.   To cut a long story short, he had food
poisioning.   What happened, a Goa government ambulance was called
from Mapusa to the residence in Candolim.   The ambulance crew was
very professional (full marks to them) and took an ECG reading on their 
antiquated
mobile equipment.   They then took another ECG reading fitted inside
the ambulance which I travelled in and got a more accurate picture.  A
friend of his stopped the ambulance from proceeding to the Government hospital
in Mapusa and we were directed to a private teaching hospital in
Candolim.   The building looked all professional and we had to sign
some paperwork discharging the ambulance crew.   There was no cost
involved up to this point…..   

 

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COMMENT:

Well, whom
do you place the blame on, for your experience?

1- The Goa government
which does not have adequate Health care facilities?

2- The
Private Medical care Centres which have their own unregulated private agenda?

3- The
public/relative who make a decision as to where the patient concerned should be
admitted?

4- The
patient himself who does not make adequate plans as to his decision in case of
any medical emergency?

Come on! You
people write as though you all are so learned, and that you still did not have
a plan made as to where to go, or to be taken in case of a medical emergency?
Are these not part and parcel of Safety Procedures for travel? You’ll exhibit
complete complacency in decisions on your health, well being, as well as your 
life,
on unknown people?!



Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.