Re: [Goanet] foreigners buying proerty in Goa
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:13:05 -0400 From: valley faleiro valley_fale...@hotmail.com WILL ALL THESE EMAILS REACH THE CONCERNED ... WILL MR MANMOHAN SINGH AND MRS SONIA GANDHI INTERVIENE AND SAVE GOA ?? Mario asks: Hey, Valley, Have you seen what is going on in the rest of India? If you haven't, much of it is even worse than in Goa. The point is that Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi may have no idea what the Goans who are complaining are talking about. Goans need to take matters into their own hands and start electing honest politicians. Without that, nothing is going to change, including the dadagiri by foreign thungs as we are seeing in Morjim.
Re: [Goanet] foreigners buying proerty in Goa
WILL ALL THESE EMAILS REACH THE CONCERNED ... WILL MR MANMOHAN SINGH AND MRS SONIA GANDHI INTERVIENE AND SAVE GOA ?? valley
[Goanet] foreigners buying proerty in Goa
In response to: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:31:26 +0530 From: Ashley D'silva ashleyivordsi...@gmail.com http://f5mail.rediff.com/prism/writemail?mode=mail_to_individualemail=ashleyi vordsi...@gmail.comels=9a7d9784904ce996506ffb1b9c191d1f Subject: Re: [Goanet] foreigners buying proerty in Goa Rightly put Ash, In konkanni there is a saying which goes one has to stretch one's self as per the size of one's bedding and there is yet another one that goes one should not gulp, more than one can swallow, but who the crap cares ? Water was in abundance, in most parts of Goa in the good old days, so what has gone wrong ? Those who live in Mumbai have been hit hard and are already feeling very insecure of their future, because life without water is impossible, but in Goa who care ? Every body knows the adverse effect of mining, silting, hill cutting, land filling and mega housing on the water resources and water bodies, are we acting wisely and prudently ? Or do we think that, no, it's not going to happen to us Goans ! If so, we are destined for doom and that's a fact. Checks should be made around every village and notes made as to how many wells and ponds have gone dry and how many others are about to run dry ? The Selaulim dam, which is the life line of people of south Goa, has been silted and is being done openly, don't we know Pascal's laws of pressure ? I am sure most of our Ministers will not know them (sale angute chaap) ? Don't we know what tragedy occurs when the inner walls our arteries and veins are saturated with cholesterol ? With the cholesterol thickening inside the walls, increases pressure on the heart and results in a heart attack, With the sides and the bed pushing the weight of water on the front portion of the wall of the dam it is only inevitable that raptures will occur and ultimately, disaster is just waiting to happen ? Is our Government blind to the safety and the wellbeing of the people of Goa ? If the Politicians do not care than it's up to the people to see that they remain safe by taking the initiative and taking law into their own hands to protect themselves and their future, have to do what must be done before it's too late. Mega housing is cutting and eating away into our very valuable and limited resources like water and electricity, I have written about this an umpteen number of times, what we need to do is like Ash said, we should at all costs develop, enhance and safeguard these precious resources first. Development at the cost of ecology and human tragedy is not worth it. Sustained development as per our infrastructure, population and our needs should be the priority of our Government. Uncontrolled and unsustainable development will only lead to further disaster, chaos and anarchy. Our Politicians, most certainly should not make Goa gulp more than it can swallow but should only be allowed to stretch as per the size of it's bedding, but the greed of our corrupt politicians has developed amnesia towards actual facts which will further deteriorate and devastates our ecology and our natural resources. Wake up Goa or you'll die in your sleep Freddy Agnelo Fernandes The content of this electronic communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and any others who are specifically authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or otherwise placing reliance on the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful in certain legal jurisdictions. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: [Goanet] foreigners buying proerty in Goa
Hi Freddy, You have succinctly stated it in clear simple terms. Now how do you get those idiots, greedy self-centered sharks to lay off? The biggest off them is Mr. Aggarwal of Sterlite. Many do not know this guy and how he operates. Cue:??? He is not interested in the mines ; it's something else. Bye and take of yourself and family, because these battles require the support and wishes of all - in unity Goa can be saved. Warm wishes , Ashley -Original Message- From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Freddy Fernandes Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:53 AM To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] foreigners buying proerty in Goa In response to: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:31:26 +0530 From: Ashley D'silva ashleyivordsi...@gmail.com http://f5mail.rediff.com/prism/writemail?mode=mail_to_individualemail=ash leyi vordsi...@gmail.comels=9a7d9784904ce996506ffb1b9c191d1f Subject: Re: [Goanet] foreigners buying proerty in Goa Rightly put Ash, In konkanni there is a saying which goes one has to stretch one's self as per the size of one's bedding and there is yet another one that goes one should not gulp, more than one can swallow, but who the crap cares ? Water was in abundance, in most parts of Goa in the good old days, so what has gone wrong ? Those who live in Mumbai have been hit hard and are already feeling very insecure of their future, because life without water is impossible, but in Goa who care ? Every body knows the adverse effect of mining, silting, hill cutting, land filling and mega housing on the water resources and water bodies, are we acting wisely and prudently ? Or do we think that, no, it's not going to happen to us Goans ! If so, we are destined for doom and that's a fact. Checks should be made around every village and notes made as to how many wells and ponds have gone dry and how many others are about to run dry ? The Selaulim dam, which is the life line of people of south Goa, has been silted and is being done openly, don't we know Pascal's laws of pressure ? I am sure most of our Ministers will not know them (sale angute chaap) ? Don't we know what tragedy occurs when the inner walls our arteries and veins are saturated with cholesterol ? With the cholesterol thickening inside the walls, increases pressure on the heart and results in a heart attack, With the sides and the bed pushing the weight of water on the front portion of the wall of the dam it is only inevitable that raptures will occur and ultimately, disaster is just waiting to happen ? Is our Government blind to the safety and the wellbeing of the people of Goa ? If the Politicians do not care than it's up to the people to see that they remain safe by taking the initiative and taking law into their own hands to protect themselves and their future, have to do what must be done before it's too late. Mega housing is cutting and eating away into our very valuable and limited resources like water and electricity, I have written about this an umpteen number of times, what we need to do is like Ash said, we should at all costs develop, enhance and safeguard these precious resources first. Development at the cost of ecology and human tragedy is not worth it. Sustained development as per our infrastructure, population and our needs should be the priority of our Government. Uncontrolled and unsustainable development will only lead to further disaster, chaos and anarchy. Our Politicians, most certainly should not make Goa gulp more than it can swallow but should only be allowed to stretch as per the size of it's bedding, but the greed of our corrupt politicians has developed amnesia towards actual facts which will further deteriorate and devastates our ecology and our natural resources. Wake up Goa or you'll die in your sleep Freddy Agnelo Fernandes The content of this electronic communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and any others who are specifically authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or otherwise placing reliance on the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful in certain legal jurisdictions. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: [Goanet] foreigners buying proerty in Goa
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:42:44 +0530 From: Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com One point which has not come up is the acquistion of land by the Russians and Israelis who have carved out properties and set up boundries where local goans are unwanted and discouraged. Mario observes: The last time I checked India was a democracy where people could associate with anyone they chose to, or not, so what are the police or politicians going to do, given that these people benefit the local economy, something some Goanetters who do not even live in Goa don't seem to care about. I suspect there are local Goans whom Marshall would not want to associate with:-)) Just guessing. I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong:-)) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:04:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au First of all, allow me to express to sogle Goemkar (not Goankars) on this forum, that an activist, accidental or otherwise, I am not and never will be. I don't know exactly when you, Jane, discovered that there are problems looming, but these have been in existence since a very long time ago.?I am not going to elaborate. And please refrain from shouting. I hear you loud and clear. Calm down. Mario observes: I'm glad to see Gabriel finally admitting that he is a paper tiger:-)) Does Jane think there are problems brewing in Goa? Oh, so THAT'S why she has decided to live in Mumbai while protecting Goa from afar?:-)) Problems like overcrowding perhaps and gridlock on the roads and water shortages and kachra all over the place? Hey, that sounds like Mumbai to me:-)) Hey, Jane, don't worry about Marshall, unless he lives in the next flat:-)) Shout as loud as you like. But, calm down. Getting excited is not good for your health. The problems in Goa are far away from you and you only have to deal with them when on vacation:-)) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:43:18 +0530 From: Rina Mukherji rina.mukhe...@gmail.com We are bursting at the seams; US, or most parts of Europe need people, especially migrants. Are these foreigners bringing in some special skills that we are short of? Or are we getting cheap labour that we need?They are here as pensioners because life is affordable and cheap; but does that help Goa at all. If anything, it will send land prices skyrocketing! Mario responds: Rina, It is because you are bursting at the seams with poor people that you need help wherever you can get it. The number of foreigners is small but their contributions in most cases are huge by comparison and a net benefit to the country. India may not need their skills but it needs their money and their goodwill and their attitudes towards order and cleanliness, all of which are sadly lacking among most Indians, at least in public. Who do you think high property values benefit other than the Indians who owned the property and in many cases did not have the money to maintain it? Why has India always been so paranoid about people who would invest in it and help it grow and prosper? Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:06:25 +0530 From: Domnic Fernandes domval...@hotmail.com Early this year, Russians in Morjim even hoisted Russian flag in confirmation of their occupation of most land there. It took public morcha and police force to bring it down. About four months ago, one of the Russians from Morjim publicly assaulted a policeman in Mapusa. Can we behave like this in a foreign land? Mario responds: Yes, you can in the US. However, you could be convicted and jailed for assault, and perhaps deported. You can even burn a US flag as an expression of your opinion. Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:31:26 +0530 From: Ashley D'silva ashleyivordsi...@gmail.com Well this time the people have voted for someone else. Only time will tell; till then one has to patiently wait for the situation to ease out and hope for the best, get involved in civic political affairs etc and create pressure modules. So the basic issue is the infrastructure - who is going to create it first or Rather build the MEGA COLONIES , AND THEN START ALL THE INFRASRTUCTURE. Mario responds: Ashley, Good points. Voting the rascals out is the only option in a civilized democracy in addition to getting involved in civic and political affairs. Of course you then have to fill the gap by voting in honest and accomplished people WHO ALSO HAVE SOME AKKAL. Infrastructure should ALWAYS preceed the rest of the development. This is hardly rocket science, but only common sense. The sequential steps in an organized development have been well established, even in India. The technology is also freely availsble. India has some of the best architects and civil engineers and urban planners in the world. Some of them are Goans like Charles Correa-Afonso and Bruno Sousa and Bonny Fernandes - some of whom worked to organize other countries on behalf of the UN but who were never consulted in their own state. What a
Re: [Goanet] foreigners buying proerty in Goa
Hello there - Jane etc,
The issue is not those who are here. Its the big mega colonies that are
being promoted . Is it susutainable?
Will Goa experience withdrawal symptoms just like what's happening in other
suburbs?
A little firsthand experience : Mumbai is experiencing a 30% water cut{ In
reality it is double that}. Two lakes are below reserve therefore water
cannot be drawn. Thane city residents are getting water every alternate day
for 1 hr as on May 2009. Earlier it was 3 hrs. Current Pop approx 45lacs.
1992 Thane city Pop; 8lacs; water was available 24 hrs. Promise aplenty were
made on bended knees by the Municipal Councilors.
My personal experience . The clothes were stuck in the washing machine for 2
days. In two days the odour of a 50% incomplete washing cycle was terrible.;
something like a dead rat in the apartment. How do we manage?
Patience dear all, and pray the water runs through the taps. Fights took
place between those staying on the ground level and those staying on higher
floors all because the pressure was inadequate add to this hydro Pneumatic
pumps that has no storage tank. Imagine a house with little children and no
water. Imagine staying on the 17th floor with aged parents and one has to
subsist on raw water { Bore well water] that smells brackish because every
building has the facility for the toilets. What does one do?
The truth is that the Municipalities in connivances with greedy builders
have sanctioned new MEGA PROJECTS that is not in sync with water supplies',
electricity, sewerage lines, concrete roads with a service road etc.
What does one do? Gehrao the Municipal Commissioner, abuse him etc?
Well this time the people have voted for someone else.
Only time will tell; till then one has to patiently wait for the situation
to ease out and hope for the best, get involved in civic political
affairs etc and create pressure modules.
So the basic issue is the infrastructure - who is going to create it first
or
Rather build the MEGA COLONIES , AND THEN START ALL THE INFRASRTUCTURE.?
Ashley
-Original Message-
From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org
[mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Gabriel de Figueiredo
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:34 PM
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
Subject: Re: [Goanet] foreigners buying proerty in Goa
Dear Jane,
Since Gabriel is the ACTIVIST in favour of foreigners buying property in
Goa,
should every Goan hold him responsible if some problem does take place,
in Goa, because of them?
First of all, allow me to express to sogle Goemkar (not Goankars) on this
forum, that an activist, accidental or otherwise, I am not and never will
be. I don't know exactly when you, Jane, discovered that there are problems
looming, but these have been in existence since a very long time ago. I am
not going to elaborate. And please refrain from shouting. I hear you loud
and clear. Calm down.
Our Freedom fighters liberated Goa from foreign rule
Please stop there. None of your freedom fighters ever liberated Goa from
foreign rule - Krishna Menon and the Indian armed forces saw to that. And
don't bother going into that topic either - its a topic that's been torn to
shreds on this and other fora in the past. If you do need more information,
please visit http://www.colaco.net/4/GoaLib.htm
(BTW, since you dislike the Brits so much, inferred from your constant
references to freedom fighters, now tell me: you enjoy a Westminster-style
of Govt in India, speak and write English fairly well, travel on a British
idiosynchrasy of a double-decker bus, travel on a British-laid railway
system, and probably well-educated in an English-medium school/college;
isn't it a bit hypocritical on your part to dislike the very things you were
brought up with, and use every day? )
All Indians who wanted to continue to be ruled by foreigners have
migrated to foreign countries and enjoy being governed by Foreigners.
Again, you're rambling. We who have settled in foreign countries are no
longer foreigners - we're locals where we've settled, and rather enjoy each
other's company, food and culture in a multi-cultural environment, and we
choose who we want to rule over us just as you do in your own country.
Even the USA has a number of immigrants in top decision-making jobs.
So what is the point you're trying to make?
We all know about the thousands of Indians who are welcomed into foreign
countries
to work at menial, low-paid jobs, because the citizens of foreign
countries,
do not want to do their own, dirty work.
Oh really? So you think all we do is clean toilets? That's a great one :-))
Indians may work menial jobs to get started (which sometimes is a great way
to gain work-experience, contrary to India's theoreticians who know
everything in theory and nil in practice - see the state of the Goa Medical
College Hospital, the public wing), but perhaps you've never heard of Goan
judges, administrators, doctors and other leading
Re: [Goanet] foreigners buying proerty in Goa
Dear Jane, Since Gabriel is the ACTIVIST in favour of foreigners buying property in Goa, should every Goan hold him responsible if some problem does take place, in Goa, because of them? First of all, allow me to express to sogle Goemkar (not Goankars) on this forum, that an activist, accidental or otherwise, I am not and never will be. I don't know exactly when you, Jane, discovered that there are problems looming, but these have been in existence since a very long time ago. I am not going to elaborate. And please refrain from shouting. I hear you loud and clear. Calm down. Our Freedom fighters liberated Goa from foreign rule Please stop there. None of your freedom fighters ever liberated Goa from foreign rule - Krishna Menon and the Indian armed forces saw to that. And don't bother going into that topic either - its a topic that's been torn to shreds on this and other fora in the past. If you do need more information, please visit http://www.colaco.net/4/GoaLib.htm (BTW, since you dislike the Brits so much, inferred from your constant references to freedom fighters, now tell me: you enjoy a Westminster-style of Govt in India, speak and write English fairly well, travel on a British idiosynchrasy of a double-decker bus, travel on a British-laid railway system, and probably well-educated in an English-medium school/college; isn't it a bit hypocritical on your part to dislike the very things you were brought up with, and use every day? ) All Indians who wanted to continue to be ruled by foreigners have migrated to foreign countries and enjoy being governed by Foreigners. Again, you're rambling. We who have settled in foreign countries are no longer foreigners - we're locals where we've settled, and rather enjoy each other's company, food and culture in a multi-cultural environment, and we choose who we want to rule over us just as you do in your own country. Even the USA has a number of immigrants in top decision-making jobs. So what is the point you're trying to make? We all know about the thousands of Indians who are welcomed into foreign countries to work at menial, low-paid jobs, because the citizens of foreign countries, do not want to do their own, dirty work. Oh really? So you think all we do is clean toilets? That's a great one :-)) Indians may work menial jobs to get started (which sometimes is a great way to gain work-experience, contrary to India's theoreticians who know everything in theory and nil in practice - see the state of the Goa Medical College Hospital, the public wing), but perhaps you've never heard of Goan judges, administrators, doctors and other leading Goans in the countries they've settled in? High time you took off those blinkers and read something about Goans. Goa, at the moment does not have the funds/infrastructure necessary to suypport the influx of foreigners Does it have the funds/infrastructure necessary to support the past, present and future influx of non-Goans, rich or poor, into Goa? FYI, issues being discussed in this thread are issues relating to those who have already purchased property in Goa - not those who are to come. No more from me on this topic. Have a great day. Gabriel. - Original Message From: jane gillian rodrigues janerodrig...@rediffmail.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 8:00:48 PM Subject: [Goanet] foreigners buying proerty in Goa Dear Goankars, My reply to Gabriel' e-mail - I am happy and proud to be able to tell people, that we Goans live in India, the land of our foremothers and forefathers, while many foreigners sadly state, that they live in the country of their FOUR MOTHERS AND FOUR FATHERS. Since Gabriel is the ACTIVIST in favour of foreigners buying property in Goa, should every Goan hold him responsible if some problem does take place,in Goa, because of them? The statement - Aren't we all human?. Our Freedom fighters liberated Goa from foreign rule, so that we could live like human beings. All Indians who wanted to continue, to be ruled by foreigners have migrated to foreign countries and enjoy being governed by Foreigners. Even the USA has a number of immigrants in top decision-making jobs. My reply to Mario's e-mail - Some selfish, greedy, mean, NRIs give the same reply as Mario - Why just NRI's? Do you think they are NRI's because their priority is Goa? We all know about the thousands of Indians who are welcomed into foreign countries to work at menial, low-paid jobs, because the citizens of foreign countries, do not want to do their own, dirty work. As per Ashley's e-mail,- Goa, at the moment does not have the funds/infrastructure necessary to suypport the influx of foreigners.We all agree with him and Santano Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail
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Dear Goankars, My reply to Gabriel' e-mail - I am happy and proud to be able to tell people, that we Goans live in India, the land of our foremothers and forefathers, while many foreigners sadly state, that they live in the country of their FOUR MOTHERS AND FOUR FATHERS. Since Gabriel is the ACTIVIST in favour of foreigners buying property in Goa, should every Goan hold him responsible if some problem does take place,in Goa, because of them? The statement - Aren't we all human?. Our Freedom fighters liberated Goa from foreign rule, so that we could live like human beings. All Indians who wanted to continue, to be ruled by foreigners have migrated to foreign countries and enjoy being governed by Foreigners. Even the USA has a number of immigrants in top decision-making jobs. My reply to Mario's e-mail - Some selfish, greedy, mean, NRIs give the same reply as Mario - Why just NRI's? Do you think they are NRI's because their priority is Goa? We all know about the thousands of Indians who are welcomed into foreign countries to work at menial, low-paid jobs, because the citizens of foreign countries, do not want to do their own, dirty work. As per Ashley's e-mail,- Goa, at the moment does not have the funds/infrastructure necessary to suypport the influx of foreigners.We all agree with him and Santano From: Gabriel de Figueiredo Subject: Re: [Goanet] foreigners buying property in goa Question: What is the age demographic of the Brits who are buying / have bought properties in Goa? the UK must have crashed after the bubble burst (as in the late 1980s/early 1990s)? So would make sense to buy there now? Gabriel. From: jane gillian rodrigues To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 3:53:19 AM Subject: [Goanet] foreigners buying property in goa Dear Goankars, I would like to compliment Santano Vaz and Frederick on their below e-mails. It is really sad to know from Santano's e-mail that all the CHINDI foreigners i.e. the poverty-stricken foreigners are buying property in Goa, while Frederick has made us Goans sit up and realize that some of us Goans are racist. From: Mario Goveia Subject: Re: [Goanet] British citizens buying property in Goa From: SANTANO VAZ there are so many ways NRI goans can help goan comunity but not by selling goa to outsiders, I am sure there are many NRI's who are now experts on garbage bisposals and recycles this will be a best coause to come back to your home land and assist our goverment to solve this great mistry of garbage in goa. Mario observes: Why just NRI's? Do you think they are NRI's because their priority is Goa? 0 From: Ashley D'silva Subject: Re: [Goanet] British citizens buying property in Goa Hello Santano, What you sat makes sense. Why ? ; If the infrastructure is not ready or created in advanced ; namely Water , electricity, roads, sewer lines, telephone lines, gas
[Goanet] foreigners buying proerty in Goa
Date: 7 Jul 2009 10:00:48 - From: jane gillian rodrigues janerodrig...@rediffmail.com Since Gabriel is the ACTIVIST in favour of foreigners buying property in Goa, should every Goan hold him responsible if some problem does take place,in Goa, because of them? Mario responds: Hey, Jane, you forgot to include me with Gabriel in this:-)) Yes, by all means. Every Goan should hold us responsible if some problem takes place in Goa because of them, as long as you give us credit for every property they buy and enhance, and as long as you hold yourselves responsible for all the problems in Goa caused by Goans. Also, I hope you have done your duty on behalf of Goa by buying a property in Goa yourself. Jane Gillian wrote: My reply to Mario's e-mail - Some selfish, greedy, mean, NRIs give the same reply as Mario - Why just NRI's? Do you think they are NRI's because their priority is Goa? We all know about the thousands of Indians who are welcomed into foreign countries to work at menial, low-paid jobs, because the citizens of foreign countries, do not want to do their own, dirty work. Mario responds: Jane, I think it seems to have escaped your attention that you place such a high priority on Goa and have such a love for the place that you live in Mumbai:-)) Pretty amazing! And, just BTW, what you all know does not apply to the USA, where the Indians hire Americans to do their dirty work.
