Re: [Goanet] Why Paolo is Nostalgic About Portugues Tempar, in these days of India Shining !

2007-01-11 Thread Frederick \"FN\" Noronha

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During the Salazar regime (established in 1926) and particularly after
World War II, Portugal tried to hold on to the fragments of her Indian
empire by belatedly encouraging some development projects and by
turning Goa into a duty-free port.

It had long been known that Goa was extremely rich in iron-ore
deposits, and in 1947 the Portuguese began issuing leases for
developing them. The leases were taken up mainly by local Hindu
merchants, who paid as little as Rs 300 for the priviledge of becoming
mine owners. With the infusion of foreign capital from India and
elsewhere (specifically, Japan and West Germany), the Goan mines
developed rapidly in the last decade of colonial rule.

There were also attempts to expand the road network, electricity
supply, and school system, all of which had been neglected up to then.
"Only in the last two years ... were textbooks for Marathi ... primary
schools prepared under government supervision and published in Goa."

The number of scholarships for study in Portugal was increased, and
many Hindus were given the opportunity to attend the metropolitan
universities -- an opportunity rarely available until this period.

After 1947, Portuguese salaries were very high compared to those paid
in India; and retirement pensions were equal to the salaries. Cheap
luxury goods and the availability of imported staples made Portuguese
rule palatable to many; even today, older Goans yearn for the days of
cheap whisky, cheese, olives, and Japanese textiles.

In general, the prices of many consumer goods were about 50 to 70 per
cent below Indian levels, while incomes were nearly double -- a
situation which encouraged large-scale smuggling of goods into India.

The Portuguese succeeded in creating an artificial prosperity based on
iron-ore exports, high salaries, and low prices for duty-free goods.
Aimed at the politically-aware middle class and the intellectuals,
however, the system offered little if anything to the vast majority of
people -- those engaged in agriculture and fishing.

In fact, farmers and fishermen were reduced to subsistence levels,
since their products could not compete with the cheap imported foods.
There is good evidence that Portuguese efforts to mollify anticolonial
feelings were superficial at best.

The only bank in Goa until 1961 was the Banco Nacional Ultramarino,
which gave no interest on deposits. There were no separate departments
or sections of government for various aspects of economic affairs
(industry, agriculture, fisheries, forests, mining, land survey,
statistics, price control, etc). Rather, all activities were lumped
together under a Directorate of Economic Services.

Portugal, a poor country itself, had neither the capital to invest in
Goa nor the industrial output to supply Goa's needs -- not even the
ships to bring goods and take away iron ore. The Goan economy was
doubly colonial; subject to a do-nothing Portuguese administration, it
was also exploited by Japanese, European, and American interests who
bought the iron ore and invested in some domestic facilities. Japan
and West Germany together took 70 per cent of Goa's iron-ore
production in 1960. -- Robert S Newman, 'Goa: The Transformation of an
Indian Region' in "Of Umbrellas, Goddesses & Dreams: Essays on Goan
Culture and Society" (academic references not included above,
available in book, Other India Press, Mapusa 2001, ISBN 81-85569-51-7

On 11/01/07, Gabriel de Figueiredo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nostalgia... only after a year
>
> Province to Colony
> Friday, Feb. 01, 1963
>
> A year after Indian troops ended Portugal's 451-year
> rule over its tiny colony of Goa on India's west
> coast, native Goans were longing last week for the bad
> old days of colonial oppression.
>
> Under the Portuguese, Goa's virtually duty-free status
> had ensured it a higher standard of living than
> neighboring India. Teachers and minor government
> officials, paid nearly three times as much as their
> counterparts across the border, could easily afford
> such imported luxuries as Belgian sausage and
> $2-a-bottle Scotch whisky. Field laborers carried
> transistor radios, and peasant women dabbed their ears
> with Chanel No. 5. A steady stream of ships carried
> high-grade Goan ore to Europe as well as Japan. "All
> you had to do to make money," said one Goan trader,
> "was to type a few letters." 
-- 
FN

Re: [Goanet] Why Paolo is Nostalgic About Portugues Tempar, in these days of India Shining !

2007-01-11 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

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Nostalgia... only after a year 

Province to Colony
Friday, Feb. 01, 1963 

A year after Indian troops ended Portugal's 451-year
rule over its tiny colony of Goa on India's west
coast, native Goans were longing last week for the bad
old days of colonial oppression.

Under the Portuguese, Goa's virtually duty-free status
had ensured it a higher standard of living than
neighboring India. Teachers and minor government
officials, paid nearly three times as much as their
counterparts across the border, could easily afford
such imported luxuries as Belgian sausage and
$2-a-bottle Scotch whisky. Field laborers carried
transistor radios, and peasant women dabbed their ears
with Chanel No. 5. A steady stream of ships carried
high-grade Goan ore to Europe as well as Japan. "All
you had to do to make money," said one Goan trader,
"was to type a few letters."

But independence from Portugal brought Goa under the
control of India's austerity economy and stifling
bureaucracy. About the same time, foreign demand for
its iron ore slumped; production dropped from
1,000,000 tons in 1961 to 650,000 tons last year. Wage
scales were adjusted downward to an Indian scale, but
the cost of living climbed by 3%. Indian import
restrictions abruptly cut off the flow of foreign
goods, bankrupting many small merchants, and forcing
Goans to pay more for Indian merchandise of a lesser
quality.

Hesitant Indian officials referred even minor
bureaucratic decisions to New Delhi, where they became
lost in a labyrinth of red tape. It was over a year
before local merchants were allowed to pick up goods
imported and paid for before liberation, by which time
much of the stuff had rotted away on the docks of
Mormugão harbor. Though Portugal oppressively banned
all political opposition, it did give Goa a
considerable amount of local autonomy. Under New
Delhi's rule, Goa hoped at least to become a separate
state. But the neighboring Indian states of Mysore and
Maharashtra, covetous of Goa's economic potential and
of Mormugão harbor, which is one of the finest harbors
on the subcontinent, have each begun a campaign to
annex it.

All in all, morale is low. Grumbled one Goan bitterly:
"Under the Portuguese we were considered a province.
Under India, to our surprise, we find we are treated
like a colony."

Source: TIME magazine.


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Re: [Goanet] Why Paolo is Nostalgic About Portugues Tempar, in these days of India Shining !

2007-01-10 Thread Bosco D'Mello

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On Wed Jan 10 00:44:10 PST 2007, CARMO DCRUZ wrote:

> He is one of the few Goanetters left who would rather be dominated by the
> Portugues and White Europeans, because only then they could get the jobs 
> of
> cooks and butlers !

RESPONSE: Carmo, please stop deriding cooks and butlers. You keep painting 
everybody who is not an IIT-alumni as a criminal.

> In these days of India shining, there is a high demand for software 
> engineers,
> electrical engineers, engineering managers, engineering professors, 
> entrepreneurs,
> doctors etc. Would you hire Paolo or any of his friends for the highly 
> skilled
> jobs ?

RESPONSE: Carmo, I'm see you are ignorant of Paolo's qualifications and 
abilities. And I have no intention of making you aware of the same. You can 
continue to wallow in your ignorance. This is not the first time you have 
gone on to disparage good people whom you know nothing about. And you are 
not the first.

> We need to encourage  our Goan Youth to continue their higher studies,
> study science and engineering in college, get into the IITs in large 
> numbers,

RESPONSE: For starters be a good role model for Goan Youth - indulge in 
respectable discussion of ideas in a public forum. If you cannot debate an 
issue, stop acting churlish...and again, you are not the first.

- Bosco
T-dot, CA 


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Re: [Goanet] Why Paolo is Nostalgic About Portugues Tempar, in these days of India Shining !

2007-01-10 Thread Paulo Colaco Dias

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Carmo,
This has nothing to do with nostalgia about Portugal or the days of India
Shining (a view which I subscribe fully, by the way, India is indeed shining
and will be a world power very soon).

This has to do with the fact that you and so many others talk about
"liberation" when indeed what really happened was a conquest according to
the Supreme Court of India. I think that even you will agree that something
cannot be liberated and conquered at the same time. Many Indian citizens or
ethnical Indians like me do not have a problem in accepting that Goa was
conquered on the 19th December 1961. The problem remains with many Goans in
particular. They refuse to accept any other term different from
"liberation", even though it was clearly documented as an act of conquest by
the Supreme Court of India. Something that can never be amended or deleted.
It is duly documented and it has the sign of the Supreme Court of India.

This is about defending the truth.
You are free to continue to think of it as "liberation". That is your
prerogative. Just like I am free to defend the truth and to refer to the
determinations from the Supreme Court of India. 

Whatever argument you may bring about to this useless discussion, nothing
will be more important that the determinations from the Supreme Court of
India which clearly determined that you, I, the rest of our countrymen and
our motherland have been conquered, yet again, on the 19th Dec 1961!

Best.
Paulo.

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