Re: Pros Cons for RequestFactory Vs GWT RPC mechanism

2011-08-26 Thread Brian Lough
That's a little misleading in that RequestFactory useage requires a 
considerable amount of scaffolding code. 

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Re: Pros Cons for RequestFactory Vs GWT RPC mechanism

2011-08-26 Thread Brian Lough
After digging into both, I'm moving towards GWTEventservice: 
http://code.google.com/p/gwteventservice/.

RequestFactory seems best fitted to CRUD operations on specific model 
entities and does offer much under the covers in supporting those 
operations.  Combined with UIBinder and Editors, it's pretty painless 
creating small-scale, simple apps.  For large-scale projects, IMHO, *far *too 
much scaffolding code just to move POJOs back and forth.  It was also a bit 
of a pain getting integrated with Spring and Guice, though I'm sure that 
pain will be alleviated as the releases progress.

http://code.google.com/p/spring4gwt/ -- this may be of interest if you're 
Spring-based.  May be of interest even if not. :-)

If you're dealing with one application, particularly a small one, I'd go 
with RequestFactory.  I have to deal with 6 rather large applications, with 
5 different databases.  Even though I don't use any two at the same time 
(JTA), I'm finding neither Guice Persist nor RequestFactory really fits well 
and failover is still problematic.  As a result, I find it best to simply 
push POJO events back and forth between the UI and the Server.  SOC for me.

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Re: Re : Re: Client/Server serialization/deserialization for using Hibernate with GWT

2011-05-04 Thread Brian Lough
+1.  Top of my wish list.  No offense Devs, but RequestFactory requires too 
much scaffolding chaff.

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Re: GWT MVP

2011-04-07 Thread Brian Lough
Nicely done, David.  +1

On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:39 AM, David Chandler drfibona...@google.comwrote:

 Thanks for the vote of confidence, but let me suggest that some of the
 confusion around MVP results from overloading the term (I bear some of the
 blame here, sorry).

 Three key ideas of MVP proper are
 1. Views are interfaces (so they can be tested without GWTTestCase, among
 other reasons)
 2. Presenters are POJOs that contain no Widgets
 3. Views and presenters refer to each other only via interfaces (and in the
 original style of MVP, a presenter may call methods on the view interface,
 but not the other way around)

 Ray Ryan's famous I/O talk in 09 also mentioned place/history management
 and the Command pattern, which are very useful ideas but not part of MVP
 proper. Various 3rd party MVP frameworks offered all these capabilities
 together as MVP and the GWT docs refer to Activities and Places as the MVP
 framework, but they're really not MVP proper, which has no doubt led to some
 confusion. GWT's Activities and Places offer place/history management, but
 require no View or Presenter classes so you are free to create your own or
 use one of the 3rd party frameworks for these. I'm sure the community will
 have further recommendations :-)

 HTH,
 /dmc

 On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:48 AM, -sowdri- sow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Better to use MVP with activities and places as suggested by official GWT
 team.

 Thanks,

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Re: GWT Developper plugin without internet connection

2011-04-07 Thread Brian Lough
Actually, I'm in the same boat, so a clear how to would rock.  As a
contractor, it's rare that I could just download something.  More often
it's a case of sending some group representative a url, they download, virus
check, security check, check-check, then if it passes, copy it out to a
network area where I can snag it and manually install it.

So, some kind of stand-alone install would rock.  BTW, while I'm here, just
saying: Maven is a total no go.  What's up with the insidious inclusion of
that beast in GWT?

On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 2:07 PM, guymage gdon...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 This link only contains files for eclipse plugin installation, not for
 the web browser plugin ?

 On 7 avr, 22:12, Juan Pablo Gardella gardellajuanpa...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Seehttp://code.google.com/intl/es/eclipse/docs/install-from-zip.html
 http://www.google.com/url?sa=Dq=http://code.google.com/intl/es/eclip...
 
  Juan
 
  2011/4/6 guymage gdon...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   Hi,
 
   I'm working on a computer which does not have any internet connection.
 
   I try to install the GWT Developper plugin for IE on this computer but
   it does not work because the installer (GwtDevPluginSetup.exe) tries
   to find the latest plugin version on the google web site.
 
   Is there any way to directly download the installer (gwt-dev-
   plugin.msi ?) ?
 
   Thanks
 
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Re: Book that covers latest GWT release

2011-04-07 Thread Brian Lough
I picked up the most from using GWT Designer (Windows Builder or something
back then) with MyEclipse, but I had a clue about UI programming with OOP
languages (not saying you don't, btw :-).

The GWT wiki was a fantastic reference by itself, but I also found Google
Web Toolkit Applications by Ryan Dewsbury a great point solution reference.

http://tinyurl.com/425o9j3
*
*
The videos above rocked as well.


On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Vicky solid@gmail.com wrote:

 Team,

 I was looking at all the Books reference provided on GWT site at
 http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/books.html.

 I did not see any of the books that covers the latest GWT releases. I
 looked in Ryan Dewsbury's Google Web Toolkit Application, but found
 the content to be stale when Ryan started describing about very first
 application in the book.

 Is there any other book that is missing from your list that is most up
 to date, or there is none?

 Thanks,
 Vicky

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Re: MVP vs PureMVC

2011-04-07 Thread Brian Lough
http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit/browse_thread/thread/6a47d4ac1bb9a3b3
http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit/browse_thread/thread/6a47d4ac1bb9a3b3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDuhR18-EdM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDuhR18-EdMHope those url's work, if you
haven't seen them already.

I'm leery of what you might mean by pureMVC as like more IT concepts, it
can get muddled: MVP being no exception.  I've implemented or worked with a
bunch of MVC implementations, J2EE and otherwise.  MVP is worth the effort
required to move to it, though, like MVC, there is no pure implementation
of it.  David Chandler gives a great synopsis of it in the first url: Ray
Ryan's video is the second.

No MVC implementation I've worked with since 1988 has been easy or less than
onerous to test, really at any level.  There is always too much inbreeding
of the layers.  MVP doesn't solve this, but can, if done right.  With MVP, I
typically get 90%+ code coverage on unit tests.  I can't get anywhere near
that with standard J2EE Best Practices MVC.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Rodolphe Gomes rodolphe.go...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello,

 I am still having doubts between integrating MVP or PureMVC.
 Does anyone has any production experience - drawbacks  ?

 Thanks a lot

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Re: GWT MVP

2011-04-06 Thread Brian Lough
No offense to the other posters, but I wouldn't go anywhere near platform
or mvp4g right off.  Just confuses the issue.  Having recently been where
you're at, I'd go here first: http://martinfowler.com/eaaDev/uiArchs.html.
 That should shed more light on why MVP is of interest period.  Humble
View is definitely an item to read.  I had to implement The Humble Dialog
Box with gwt-presenter and all unit/integration tests before I groked just
the _why_ of why I'd want to pursue MVP.  As of this post, I have checked
out gwt-platform, mvp4g, Guice 2.0 and Guice 3.0 MVP -- still haven't
decided the direction I'm headed.

IMHO, Schilly was right in that the code muddles the theoretical discussions
or visa-versa.  MVP is a concept.  The frameworks are based upon that, but
they possess different implementations based upon the concept.

Good luck!

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 I've been looking into GWT and MVP recently and to be honest I'm very
 confused. My project involves around 40 different pages / individual
 views, or whatever the correct terminology is. I've been reading
 tutorials that follow Model-View-Presenter and others that use
 Activities and Places.

 Which one should I be using?

 Many thanks,
 Alex

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Re: gmail/facebook like chat -asp.net

2011-01-11 Thread Brian Lough
Sorry, but, snicker.  Good luck with that.

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:00 PM, nacho vela.igna...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think that there's betters places to ask what you need.

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Re: Real-time app: best approach

2010-12-31 Thread Brian Lough
400mb? :-)  That would be a general design/implementation issue: not GWT
specific.  Regardless of frameworks, there needs to be paged requests from
UI to server and server to Db.  Play with request and cache sizes to get
memory footprint -vs- performance balanced where you want.  Good luck!

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 1:50 AM, remuera brain...@web.de wrote:

 Hello,

 I've developed an app using GWT 2.1 and GXT 2.2.1 and having these
 problems:

 1) It is a real-time app (data update 4 times a second!) and I want to
 update a grid/table with about 80 lines. The data is not that large,
 some doubles and a string.

 2) The user should be able to generate a report with a lot of data,
 that should be displayed in a pure HTML table (up to 5000 rows). My
 solution right now works not bad, but the memory usage is huge (around
 400 MB!).

 I would like to hear your recommendations on these two requirements.
 How would you implement them? The app should be as performant as
 possible with using GWT and GXT (if possible). I am deploying it on a
 Tomcat 6.

 Thank you in advance!

 Tim

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Re: Dropping support for ie6?

2010-12-30 Thread Brian Lough
-1 dropping ie6.  Not aware how huge that customer base still is?  It sux,
but is what it is.

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 +1 for dropping ie6
 +1/2 for ie9 ;-)

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Re: Best practises in automatic test and deployment

2010-12-06 Thread Brian Lough
Mark, I would imagine the process you need to develop will dictate your
tools.  If you're just using InteliJ, you need to get Maven, Ant, or
whatever building you project outside it first.  That choice might dictate
which app server you use to test.

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Mark van Veen mark.vanv...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi there,

 thanks a lot for your suggestions I will have a look at it!

 Mark

 PS: I searched my mailing on the webinterface at google groups but couldnt
 find it. Now I answered via gmail - is there a problem with the web
 interface?

 2010/12/1 Ray Tayek rta...@ca.rr.com

 At 06:10 AM 12/1/2010, you wrote:

 ... I am looking for some good tools which help me with

 deploying my application automaticly in a tomcat test server and later
 on the production server. ...

 What I am still missing is a automatic way of generating war files
 which are deployed on the test server(with different properties like
 db connection and user)  ,,,


 if you are not already aware of it, this may be of interest:
 http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/deployer-howto.html#Deploying_using_the_Client_Deployer_Package

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Re: How to handle application state ?

2010-12-06 Thread Brian Lough
Mittal, by query, I believe Jeff means retrieve the user information from
wherever you stored after the initial server retrieval: the cookie or the
Session/Servlet state.

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Mittal mitt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, its application state for a User. Why do I need to query server
 information every time for a user, I think I should able to create
 client side object such as UserProfile, populate it from server side
 once user logs in and then pass client side UserProfile object where
 its required such as Header or Navigation pages.

 - Mittal

 On Dec 6, 9:47 am, Jeff Schwartz jefftschwa...@gmail.com wrote:
  In your case the state you want to preserve seems to be associated with a
  particular user, not the application, so you can use either cookies or
  servlet session state to persist the information when the user logs in
 and
  you can then query the information when displaying tabs or reacting to
 other
  user interface events.
 
  Jeff
 
 
 
  On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Mittal mitt...@gmail.com wrote:
   Here's the use case we are dealing with,
 
   SSO token shall be received by GWT application.
   SSO token shall have user profile and role information.
   Once I have read SSO token, I would like to use User Profile
   information to be available in header page and Role information in
   navigation page to control who see's what in terms of functionality
   (tabs).
 
   How do I store or hold token information as an application state ?
 
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