Re: How to share work between Java developers and HTML/CSS designers?
I fully agree with this way of working. We've been able to work with web designer with a very similar way of working. Our GWT components are very simple, and all the style is managed by CSS. I think that it's really important to keep in mind that GWT is not a Swing API in disguise :-) 2008/12/9 Nizam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > After I started this thread, a new article has come up on the GWT blog > which talks about how the folks at studyblue.com approached the > styling issue. Here is the link to the post: > > http://googlewebtoolkit.blogspot.com/2008/12/gwt-no-need-to-shortchange-your-style.html > > > On Dec 6, 10:02 am, Chii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think the underlying issue here is that the paradym of gwt > > programming is not the same as the traditional web-app development, > > where the coder hands to the designer a bunch of "variables" to which > > the designer inserts into a template (velocity, freemarker, jsp, you > > name it). > > > > GWT brings to the table the developer as a UI creator. The designer no > > longer makes the product, but actually designs the blue-print, and > > that blue print is followed by the developer. I.e., the developer now > > needs to know about DOM, CSS and HTML (though not to the extend that a > > designer might). GWT tries to abstract html from making a web UI. > > Thats my 2 cents anyway. > > > > On Dec 3, 4:36 pm,Nizam<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Are there any best practices in bringing together a multi-disciplinary > > > team of Java developers and HTML/CSS designers in developing a > > > commercial GWT application? Our Java guys cannot do CSS and our HTML/ > > > CSS guys prefer working in DreamWeaver. I haven't seen any material > > > that talks about the team collaboration aspect. Any thoughts? > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To post to this group, send email to Google-Web-Toolkit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How to share work between Java developers and HTML/CSS designers?
After I started this thread, a new article has come up on the GWT blog which talks about how the folks at studyblue.com approached the styling issue. Here is the link to the post: http://googlewebtoolkit.blogspot.com/2008/12/gwt-no-need-to-shortchange-your-style.html On Dec 6, 10:02 am, Chii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the underlying issue here is that the paradym of gwt > programming is not the same as the traditional web-app development, > where the coder hands to the designer a bunch of "variables" to which > the designer inserts into a template (velocity, freemarker, jsp, you > name it). > > GWT brings to the table the developer as a UI creator. The designer no > longer makes the product, but actually designs the blue-print, and > that blue print is followed by the developer. I.e., the developer now > needs to know about DOM, CSS and HTML (though not to the extend that a > designer might). GWT tries to abstract html from making a web UI. > Thats my 2 cents anyway. > > On Dec 3, 4:36 pm,Nizam<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Are there any best practices in bringing together a multi-disciplinary > > team of Java developers and HTML/CSS designers in developing a > > commercial GWT application? Our Java guys cannot do CSS and our HTML/ > > CSS guys prefer working in DreamWeaver. I haven't seen any material > > that talks about the team collaboration aspect. Any thoughts? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To post to this group, send email to Google-Web-Toolkit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How to share work between Java developers and HTML/CSS designers?
We are in the process of buying a couple of Instantiations GWT Designer licenses. The WYSIWYG capability in their tool is not very flexible, though. We were not able to create any useful screens using the WYSIWYG feature alone. Had to do a lot of manual tweaking. On Dec 5, 9:16 am, rakesh wagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here are few things to consider: > - Check the Instantiation Designer tool. Personally never used it > beyond evaluation... but you and your team might have some luck with > it. > - Let the HTML team design the layout. Let the GWT team design the > application and place the components as per the layout. Gwt team uses > the default widget css. Then let the HTML team work only with the css > provided by the gwt team and modify it to meet the new look and feel. > - GWT team takes both the layout and the CSS from html team, and > include the CSS element as the project progresses. > > Finally this is what we did: > - We created our own widget library with common components for tables, > hyperlinks, menus etc. We(developers) spared some time designing the > common components as per the graphics design. Finally for most of the > part it was only the matter of following the layout. > > good luck! > Rakesh Wagh > > On Dec 2, 11:36 pm,Nizam<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Are there any best practices in bringing together a multi-disciplinary > > team of Java developers and HTML/CSS designers in developing a > > commercial GWT application? Our Java guys cannot do CSS and our HTML/ > > CSS guys prefer working in DreamWeaver. I haven't seen any material > > that talks about the team collaboration aspect. Any thoughts? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To post to this group, send email to Google-Web-Toolkit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How to share work between Java developers and HTML/CSS designers?
I think the underlying issue here is that the paradym of gwt programming is not the same as the traditional web-app development, where the coder hands to the designer a bunch of "variables" to which the designer inserts into a template (velocity, freemarker, jsp, you name it). GWT brings to the table the developer as a UI creator. The designer no longer makes the product, but actually designs the blue-print, and that blue print is followed by the developer. I.e., the developer now needs to know about DOM, CSS and HTML (though not to the extend that a designer might). GWT tries to abstract html from making a web UI. Thats my 2 cents anyway. On Dec 3, 4:36 pm, Nizam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are there any best practices in bringing together a multi-disciplinary > team of Java developers and HTML/CSS designers in developing a > commercial GWT application? Our Java guys cannot do CSS and our HTML/ > CSS guys prefer working in DreamWeaver. I haven't seen any material > that talks about the team collaboration aspect. Any thoughts? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To post to this group, send email to Google-Web-Toolkit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How to share work between Java developers and HTML/CSS designers?
Here are few things to consider: - Check the Instantiation Designer tool. Personally never used it beyond evaluation... but you and your team might have some luck with it. - Let the HTML team design the layout. Let the GWT team design the application and place the components as per the layout. Gwt team uses the default widget css. Then let the HTML team work only with the css provided by the gwt team and modify it to meet the new look and feel. - GWT team takes both the layout and the CSS from html team, and include the CSS element as the project progresses. Finally this is what we did: - We created our own widget library with common components for tables, hyperlinks, menus etc. We(developers) spared some time designing the common components as per the graphics design. Finally for most of the part it was only the matter of following the layout. good luck! Rakesh Wagh On Dec 2, 11:36 pm, Nizam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are there any best practices in bringing together a multi-disciplinary > team of Java developers and HTML/CSS designers in developing a > commercial GWT application? Our Java guys cannot do CSS and our HTML/ > CSS guys prefer working in DreamWeaver. I haven't seen any material > that talks about the team collaboration aspect. Any thoughts? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To post to this group, send email to Google-Web-Toolkit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How to share work between Java developers and HTML/CSS designers?
I would think Dreamweaver is more or less redundant in a GWT project, save perhaps for doing mock ups of widget layouts for demo, discussion. The traditional distinction between page designers and Java server programmers no longer exists really with GWT. You write GWT client code in Java, but you also need to know CSS, how GWT deals with CSS, and how the HTML box model and the DOM works. I would think this issue is less one of best practice, more one of retraining and retooling your team. On Dec 3, 5:36 am, Nizam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are there any best practices in bringing together a multi-disciplinary > team of Java developers and HTML/CSS designers in developing a > commercial GWT application? Our Java guys cannot do CSS and our HTML/ > CSS guys prefer working in DreamWeaver. I haven't seen any material > that talks about the team collaboration aspect. Any thoughts? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To post to this group, send email to Google-Web-Toolkit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
How to share work between Java developers and HTML/CSS designers?
Are there any best practices in bringing together a multi-disciplinary team of Java developers and HTML/CSS designers in developing a commercial GWT application? Our Java guys cannot do CSS and our HTML/ CSS guys prefer working in DreamWeaver. I haven't seen any material that talks about the team collaboration aspect. Any thoughts? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To post to this group, send email to Google-Web-Toolkit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
