Re: Is Google Web Toolkit for me?
There is no doubt that choosing GWT means ur web app has to be purely
Java-based.
As rightly pointed out in above post, u would require GWT (client-
side) and Spring/Hibernate or other similar technologies (server-side)
to create a maintainable, efficient Java web app. Thus u would be
learning a whole new techs to bring ur web app live.
Not true. GWT does not require a Java backend and a Java backend does
not require Spring, Hibernate, or anything of the sort.
GWT does not replace PHP on the server or CSS on the client. GWT
replaces most or all of your handwritten JS and AJAX. There's plenty
of information in the forum history about integrating PHP and GWT.
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:59 AM, sidnisingh.nite...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Spierce,
If u require AJAX enabled web app, GWT is viable option but it seems u
dont have much hands-on with JAVA/its related technology and learning
the whole JAVA web App stack is quite an effort from scratch.
There is no doubt that choosing GWT means ur web app has to be purely
Java-based.
As rightly pointed out in above post, u would require GWT (client-
side) and Spring/Hibernate or other similar technologies (server-side)
to create a maintainable, efficient Java web app. Thus u would be
learning a whole new techs to bring ur web app live.
If u r comfortable with Php world, I would suggest u stick to it and
find ways to introduce Ajax within it, in the end ur goal is not to
learn different technologies or be an architect but to build ur web
app, make it live.
Hope it doesnt confuse u,
Nitesh
On Sep 3, 10:36 pm, mikedshaffer mikedshaf...@gmail.com wrote:
I'll throw in here
GWT is primarily a client side technology, so in your statement
better off sticking with PHP, JS, CSS, GWT would replace only the
last 2. PHP (obviously) only runs on the server. By choosing GWT you
will still need to choose a server side technology assuming you want
to connect to a database. Many people are familiar with PHP, so they
stick with that, communicating between client and server using JSON,
which GWT handles terrifically. You can also use Java for your server
side technology, and then you can very simply use GWT-RPC to handle
your communication. As for connecting to MySQL, Java will connect to
MySQL all day long, as will PHP. Just a matter of what syntax/stack
you are familiar with. The key thing to focus on here with GWT is
that it is an AJAX client library that makes it very easy to build
powerful AJAX web clients (or substitute your favorite acronym for
that) using Java syntax. If you use Java for your server tier, then
you get to use a teenie bit more GWT, but that's it.
Does that make sense?
Later,
Shaffer
On Sep 2, 6:54 pm, David Given d...@cowlark.com wrote:
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By the way, I'm going to need to integrate with a web database. The
obvious one for me was MySQL, but that was mainly because PHP
integrates so easily with it. What kind of options do I have with this
while using GWT? I'd rather not have to have GWT integrate with PHP,
and then MySQL, or some other ridiculous thing. What options do I have
here? Thanks in advance!
I'm using Berkeley DB JE for one of my apps; it's a pure-Java
reimplementation of the old classic Berkeley DB non-relational database.
It's got some really nice Java reflection glue that combines well with
GWT's RPC glue. I can pull an object out of the database on the server
and pass it directly to the client in about three lines of code, and GWT
and Berkeley DB take care of all the plumbing. And because it's pure
Java, there's no extra dependencies on the server --- you just drop the
jarfile in WEB-INF/lib and it Just Works(tm).
A server-side RPC implementation can be as literally trivial as this:
DataObject getFromDB(int key)
{
try
{
return _index.get(key);
}
catch (DatabaseException e)
{
return null;
}
}
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Re: Is Google Web Toolkit for me?
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Re: Is Google Web Toolkit for me?
I'll throw in here
GWT is primarily a client side technology, so in your statement
better off sticking with PHP, JS, CSS, GWT would replace only the
last 2. PHP (obviously) only runs on the server. By choosing GWT you
will still need to choose a server side technology assuming you want
to connect to a database. Many people are familiar with PHP, so they
stick with that, communicating between client and server using JSON,
which GWT handles terrifically. You can also use Java for your server
side technology, and then you can very simply use GWT-RPC to handle
your communication. As for connecting to MySQL, Java will connect to
MySQL all day long, as will PHP. Just a matter of what syntax/stack
you are familiar with. The key thing to focus on here with GWT is
that it is an AJAX client library that makes it very easy to build
powerful AJAX web clients (or substitute your favorite acronym for
that) using Java syntax. If you use Java for your server tier, then
you get to use a teenie bit more GWT, but that's it.
Does that make sense?
Later,
Shaffer
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[...]
By the way, I'm going to need to integrate with a web database. The
obvious one for me was MySQL, but that was mainly because PHP
integrates so easily with it. What kind of options do I have with this
while using GWT? I'd rather not have to have GWT integrate with PHP,
and then MySQL, or some other ridiculous thing. What options do I have
here? Thanks in advance!
I'm using Berkeley DB JE for one of my apps; it's a pure-Java
reimplementation of the old classic Berkeley DB non-relational database.
It's got some really nice Java reflection glue that combines well with
GWT's RPC glue. I can pull an object out of the database on the server
and pass it directly to the client in about three lines of code, and GWT
and Berkeley DB take care of all the plumbing. And because it's pure
Java, there's no extra dependencies on the server --- you just drop the
jarfile in WEB-INF/lib and it Just Works(tm).
A server-side RPC implementation can be as literally trivial as this:
DataObject getFromDB(int key)
{
try
{
return _index.get(key);
}
catch (DatabaseException e)
{
return null;
}
}
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Re: Is Google Web Toolkit for me?
Hey Spierce,
If u require AJAX enabled web app, GWT is viable option but it seems u
dont have much hands-on with JAVA/its related technology and learning
the whole JAVA web App stack is quite an effort from scratch.
There is no doubt that choosing GWT means ur web app has to be purely
Java-based.
As rightly pointed out in above post, u would require GWT (client-
side) and Spring/Hibernate or other similar technologies (server-side)
to create a maintainable, efficient Java web app. Thus u would be
learning a whole new techs to bring ur web app live.
If u r comfortable with Php world, I would suggest u stick to it and
find ways to introduce Ajax within it, in the end ur goal is not to
learn different technologies or be an architect but to build ur web
app, make it live.
Hope it doesnt confuse u,
Nitesh
On Sep 3, 10:36 pm, mikedshaffer mikedshaf...@gmail.com wrote:
I'll throw in here
GWT is primarily a client side technology, so in your statement
better off sticking with PHP, JS, CSS, GWT would replace only the
last 2. PHP (obviously) only runs on the server. By choosing GWT you
will still need to choose a server side technology assuming you want
to connect to a database. Many people are familiar with PHP, so they
stick with that, communicating between client and server using JSON,
which GWT handles terrifically. You can also use Java for your server
side technology, and then you can very simply use GWT-RPC to handle
your communication. As for connecting to MySQL, Java will connect to
MySQL all day long, as will PHP. Just a matter of what syntax/stack
you are familiar with. The key thing to focus on here with GWT is
that it is an AJAX client library that makes it very easy to build
powerful AJAX web clients (or substitute your favorite acronym for
that) using Java syntax. If you use Java for your server tier, then
you get to use a teenie bit more GWT, but that's it.
Does that make sense?
Later,
Shaffer
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spierce7 wrote:
[...]
By the way, I'm going to need to integrate with a web database. The
obvious one for me was MySQL, but that was mainly because PHP
integrates so easily with it. What kind of options do I have with this
while using GWT? I'd rather not have to have GWT integrate with PHP,
and then MySQL, or some other ridiculous thing. What options do I have
here? Thanks in advance!
I'm using Berkeley DB JE for one of my apps; it's a pure-Java
reimplementation of the old classic Berkeley DB non-relational database.
It's got some really nice Java reflection glue that combines well with
GWT's RPC glue. I can pull an object out of the database on the server
and pass it directly to the client in about three lines of code, and GWT
and Berkeley DB take care of all the plumbing. And because it's pure
Java, there's no extra dependencies on the server --- you just drop the
jarfile in WEB-INF/lib and it Just Works(tm).
A server-side RPC implementation can be as literally trivial as this:
DataObject getFromDB(int key)
{
try
{
return _index.get(key);
}
catch (DatabaseException e)
{
return null;
}
}
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Is Google Web Toolkit for me?
Hey, I'm looking to make a webapp, and right now I'm really intrigued by what the Google Web Toolkit offers. I'm familiar with PHP, MySQL, HTML, and CSS from a few years ago, and I've taken a few Java classes a few years back. Right now I'm trying to make a Web App that is very similar to a calendar that is going to manipulate dates and times and what not. I was going to use AJAX to connect with the server, and PHP to manipulate the dates etc. Anyways, I read some articles, such as this: http://www.ryandoherty.net/2007/04/29/why-google-web-toolkit-rots-your-brain/ and was wondering what you guys have experienced with this. I LOVE google products, so I figured this couldn't be bad, but I thought I'd get a second oppinion before I started devoting large amounts of time learning to do something to just find that I'd have been better off sticking with PHP, JS, CSS. By the way, I'm going to need to integrate with a web database. The obvious one for me was MySQL, but that was mainly because PHP integrates so easily with it. What kind of options do I have with this while using GWT? I'd rather not have to have GWT integrate with PHP, and then MySQL, or some other ridiculous thing. What options do I have here? Thanks in advance! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is Google Web Toolkit for me?
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By the way, I'm going to need to integrate with a web database. The
obvious one for me was MySQL, but that was mainly because PHP
integrates so easily with it. What kind of options do I have with this
while using GWT? I'd rather not have to have GWT integrate with PHP,
and then MySQL, or some other ridiculous thing. What options do I have
here? Thanks in advance!
I'm using Berkeley DB JE for one of my apps; it's a pure-Java
reimplementation of the old classic Berkeley DB non-relational database.
It's got some really nice Java reflection glue that combines well with
GWT's RPC glue. I can pull an object out of the database on the server
and pass it directly to the client in about three lines of code, and GWT
and Berkeley DB take care of all the plumbing. And because it's pure
Java, there's no extra dependencies on the server --- you just drop the
jarfile in WEB-INF/lib and it Just Works(tm).
A server-side RPC implementation can be as literally trivial as this:
DataObject getFromDB(int key)
{
try
{
return _index.get(key);
}
catch (DatabaseException e)
{
return null;
}
}
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