Re: [GRASS-PSC] PSC elections

[Veronica Andreo]

Hi everyone,

El dom, 13 dic 2020 a las 21:19, Moritz Lennert (<
mlenn...@club.worldonline.be>) escribió:

>
> Am 13. Dezember 2020 20:36:05 MEZ schrieb Markus Neteler <
> nete...@osgeo.org>:
> >On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 7:38 PM Hernán De Angelis
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi again,
> >>
> >> In the wiki, eligible voters are defined as those with svn access. This
> is perhaps outdated?
> >
> >Yes, that's definitely outdated.
> >
> >> In 2020 it should perhaps be those who can merge a pull request in
> GitHub? Or should we choose another definition?
>
> Only merge rights (i.e. write access to the grass repository) seems very
> restrictive in current github PR times.
>

Fully agreed! Last time, all of us in the contributors and
contributors_extra files were given voting rights. We could also consider
those in translators.csv. I don't remember if they were considered last
time. I believe they were not.


> >I believe that we should also recognize other contributions
> >(documentation, translation etc).
>
> How to define this, though. In my eyes we should be as inclusive as
> reasonable.
>
> Maybe we could say:
>
> - All people with write access to any of the GRASS GIS repositories (i.e
> for example also including add-ons and website).
> - All people that have already posted a pull request to github (possibly
> only those PR that have been merged)
> - All people that have contributed to Transifex.
>

+1!

I've been searching in Transifex, and found this:
https://www.transifex.com/grass-gis/teams/. But, I'm not sure which number
really represents those that have actually translated strings and most
importantly how to easily get such a list.

What about those Google Code-In students that have contributed with
screenshots and examples to manual pages, as well as those contributing
tests?

cheers,
Vero
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] PSC elections

[Moritz Lennert]

Am 13. Dezember 2020 20:36:05 MEZ schrieb Markus Neteler :
>On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 7:38 PM Hernán De Angelis
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi again,
>>
>> In the wiki, eligible voters are defined as those with svn access. This is 
>> perhaps outdated?
>
>Yes, that's definitely outdated.
>
>> In 2020 it should perhaps be those who can merge a pull request in GitHub? 
>> Or should we choose another definition?

Only merge rights (i.e. write access to the grass repository) seems very 
restrictive in current github PR times.

>
>I believe that we should also recognize other contributions
>(documentation, translation etc).

How to define this, though. In my eyes we should be as inclusive as reasonable.

Maybe we could say:

- All people with write access to any of the GRASS GIS repositories (i.e for 
example also including add-ons and website).
- All people that have already posted a pull request to github (possibly only 
those PR that have been merged)
- All people that have contributed to Transifex.

How does that sound?




>
>Does anyone know this tool for the identification of contributors (I
>never tried)
>https://allcontributors.org/

Sounds interesting, but probably only for github, or ? So not Transifex.

Moritz
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] PSC elections

[Markus Neteler]

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 7:38 PM Hernán De Angelis
 wrote:
>
> Hi again,
>
> In the wiki, eligible voters are defined as those with svn access. This is 
> perhaps outdated?

Yes, that's definitely outdated.

> In 2020 it should perhaps be those who can merge a pull request in GitHub? Or 
> should we choose another definition?

I believe that we should also recognize other contributions
(documentation, translation etc).

Does anyone know this tool for the identification of contributors (I
never tried)
https://allcontributors.org/

?

Markus
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] PSC elections

[Hernán De Angelis]

Hi again,

In the wiki, eligible voters are defined as those with svn access. This 
is perhaps outdated? In 2020 it should perhaps be those who can merge a 
pull request in GitHub? Or should we choose another definition?


/H.

On 2020-12-13 19:28, Markus Neteler wrote:

Dear all,

Moritz Lennert > schrieb am So., 13. Dez. 2020, 
19:25:


...

In 2016 [1] we had a four week nomination period of which the last
week was used to give candidates the opportunity to reevaluate if
they really want to stand for elections. Then a one week period
for the vote. So depending on when you can announce, this will
mean mid-December to mid-January for nomination and then a week
end of January for the vote.


We also need to define, perhaps in a better way than in 2016, who's 
eligible to vote.


Markus




[1] https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC/Election2016

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] PSC elections

[Hernán De Angelis]

Hi Moritz,

Fine, a request for an OSGEO UserId is on its way. I have no idea how 
long this will take. Hope not long.


Moritz, your preliminary schedule proposal sounds fine to me. I can 
start editing the wiki as soon I get an UserId.


/H.

On 2020-12-13 19:24, Moritz Lennert wrote:

Hi Hernán,

Am 13. Dezember 2020 18:41:02 MEZ schrieb "Hernán De Angelis" 
:

Dear Nikos,

Thank you for your message and considerations. I believe I understand
the basis of this process.

It seems that we will need to update the 2020 Election wiki
 before we start.
How do we proceed with that?

If you don't have one already, you need an OSGeo User ID to log in:

https://www.osgeo.org/community/getting-started-osgeo/osgeo_userid/

While waiting for that, you should begin by defining the calendar (also based 
on your possible constraints).

In 2016 [1] we had a four week nomination period of which the last week was 
used to give candidates the opportunity to reevaluate if they really want to 
stand for elections. Then a one week period for the vote. So depending on when 
you can announce, this will mean mid-December to mid-January for nomination and 
then a week end of January for the vote.

Moritz


[1] https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC/Election2016

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] PSC elections

[Markus Neteler]

Dear all,

Moritz Lennert  schrieb am So., 13. Dez.
2020, 19:25:

> ...
>
> In 2016 [1] we had a four week nomination period of which the last week
> was used to give candidates the opportunity to reevaluate if they really
> want to stand for elections. Then a one week period for the vote. So
> depending on when you can announce, this will mean mid-December to
> mid-January for nomination and then a week end of January for the vote.
>

We also need to define, perhaps in a better way than in 2016, who's
eligible to vote.

Markus



>
> [1] https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC/Election2016
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] PSC elections

[Moritz Lennert]

Hi Hernán,

Am 13. Dezember 2020 18:41:02 MEZ schrieb "Hernán De Angelis" 
:
>Dear Nikos,
>
>Thank you for your message and considerations. I believe I understand 
>the basis of this process.
>
>It seems that we will need to update the 2020 Election wiki 
> before we start. 
>How do we proceed with that?

If you don't have one already, you need an OSGeo User ID to log in:

https://www.osgeo.org/community/getting-started-osgeo/osgeo_userid/

While waiting for that, you should begin by defining the calendar (also based 
on your possible constraints).

In 2016 [1] we had a four week nomination period of which the last week was 
used to give candidates the opportunity to reevaluate if they really want to 
stand for elections. Then a one week period for the vote. So depending on when 
you can announce, this will mean mid-December to mid-January for nomination and 
then a week end of January for the vote.

Moritz


[1] https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC/Election2016
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] PSC elections

[Hernán De Angelis]

Dear Nikos,

Thank you for your message and considerations. I believe I understand 
the basis of this process.


It seems that we will need to update the 2020 Election wiki 
 before we start. 
How do we proceed with that?


Best

Hernán


On 2020-12-13 17:42, n...@nikosalexandris.net wrote:

Dear Hernán,

Congratulations for taking over this important role.
I think Moritz already shared the link(s) to notes of the last election.

Allow me please to share the following thoughts.

Elections are a corner-stone for any project and they should be given 
the attention they deserve. 'GRASS GIS' is a somewhat compact group 
and this helps often to get things done. Nevertheless, giving value 
and transparency to the elections, and the PSC itself, can only 
support the project's growth.


I would:

- try to inform and activate the community for participation.
- repeat and clarify the rules to the community with short messages, 
obviously without becoming invasive. --  We all forget and some will 
post, for example, their nomination directly to the list and not to 
the CRO.
- invite community members to explain why they nominate someone for 
the PSC
- invite nominees for 'self-defense': why does someone want to be a 
member of the PSC?


Wishes for a fruitful election procedure.
Kind regards, Nikos
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] PSC elections

[nik]

Dear Hernán,

Congratulations for taking over this important role.
I think Moritz already shared the link(s) to notes of the last election.

Allow me please to share the following thoughts.

Elections are a corner-stone for any project and they should be given 
the attention they deserve. 'GRASS GIS' is a somewhat compact group and 
this helps often to get things done. Nevertheless, giving value and 
transparency to the elections, and the PSC itself, can only support the 
project's growth.


I would:

- try to inform and activate the community for participation.
- repeat and clarify the rules to the community with short messages, 
obviously without becoming invasive. --  We all forget and some will 
post, for example, their nomination directly to the list and not to the 
CRO.
- invite community members to explain why they nominate someone for the 
PSC
- invite nominees for 'self-defense': why does someone want to be a 
member of the PSC?


Wishes for a fruitful election procedure.
Kind regards, Nikos
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] PSC elections

[Markus Neteler]

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 11:08 AM Moritz Lennert
 wrote:
>
> Dear Hernán,
>
> Thanks for accepting the role as CRO ! We will obviously support you in 
> whatever ways necessary.

Thanks, Hernán!

> The first step would now be to define a calendar and to update the wiki page.
>
> @MarkusN, do we have a dedicated email address for the CRO ?

Now yes: 
(https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2540)

This is just an email reflector (alias), not a mailbox!
It currently points to Hernán's email address, test email sent.

> @Nikos, as you were the CRO at the last election, maybe you have some advice 
> for Hernán ?

Hi Nikos, your insights are welcome.

Markus
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