Re: [GRASS-PSC] [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Budget 2021

[Markus Neteler]

PSC,

First of all, thanks to Moritz for his support with cleaning up the budget.

I have slightly expanded the description herein:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2021

Please check - by today I have to send this request as an email to the
OSGeo board list.

thanks
Markus
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Budget 2021

[Markus Neteler]

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:30 AM Moritz Lennert
 wrote:
> On 13/01/21 23:37, Markus Neteler wrote:
...
> > I created a ODS table in the nextcloud of OSGeo for both 2020 and 2021:
> > https://nextcloud.osgeo.org/s/dKXfqq4QkMmSkB5
...
> > https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2021
> >
> > and OSGeo request put here:
> > https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Budget_2021#OSGeo_Projects
> >
> > Please speak up if anyone disagrees.
>
> There's a bit of a mix-up between accounts (past income) and budget
> (planned income).

OK, thanks for the clarification (below).

> - The total amount of money we carry over from 2020 (aka "Surplus 2020")
> is 1902,18€, which is the sum of the 1413,27€ currently in the bank
> account and the 488,91€ currently in the PayPal money pool.
>
> - In 2020 we only got 290€ in donations into that money pool.

(OT: seems we need to advertise it better)

> - So in the budget 2021 we need to decide what our target for donations
> is. As a reminder, in 2019 we managed to collect over 1000€ in donations
> but that was linked to specific drive for the web site. As OSGeo paid
> for the website, we still have most of that money left (minus some that
> was spent for sprints). I would think that if we are more proactive for
> donations we should be able to at double last year's amount and so we
> could put in a target of at least 500€ in the 2021 budget.
>
> - This is a budget, and so it also contains some elements of hope. I
> think we should foresee money for in-person sprints, which might become
> possible again in the second semester of 2021. If we can't do them,
> we'll save that money, but we should at least budget the option. In
> 2019, the main sprint cost about 1000€ with roughly half for travelling
> and half for other costs, a second smaller sprint was about 500€. So I
> added that. If we are able to organise these sprints, we still would end
> up with a surplus at the end of the year, even if we do not collect any
> donations, so I think we can take the "risk" of budgeting them.
>
> This also allows to show that we do not only rely on OSGeo for the
> funding, but use our own money as well.

Yes, fully agreed.

> I've gone ahead to change both the file in Nextcloud and the wiki (do we
> really need both ? can't we just link from the wiki to a read-only
> version of the Nextcloud file ?), but please feel free to revert if you
> disagree.

Thanks for the update.
And yes, just linking from the wiki to a read-only version of the
Nextcloud table is preferred (filling in Wiki tables isn't that much
of fun).

Markus
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Budget 2021

[Moritz Lennert]

On 13/01/21 23:37, Markus Neteler wrote:

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 11:30 AM Luca Delucchi  wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 at 10:19, Markus Neteler  wrote:

...

Then we can use similar figures and leave out physical meetings.


But also other expenses are related to physical meetings, probably
this year will be difficult to meet again.
This year I would ask less money to OSGeo, also because there was no
money back from FOSS4G 2020 and this year is still a question marker


Yes, agreed.

Today Vero and I went through the budget of 2020 and cleaned it up.

I created a ODS table in the nextcloud of OSGeo for both 2020 and 2021:
https://nextcloud.osgeo.org/s/dKXfqq4QkMmSkB5


Of course I'd be grateful to receive suggestions and ideas.


In the case could organize something like microgrants for translation,
documentation or communication?


Great idea: added to the draft budget.

See
https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2021

and OSGeo request put here:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Budget_2021#OSGeo_Projects

Please speak up if anyone disagrees.


There's a bit of a mix-up between accounts (past income) and budget 
(planned income).


- The total amount of money we carry over from 2020 (aka "Surplus 2020") 
is 1902,18€, which is the sum of the 1413,27€ currently in the bank 
account and the 488,91€ currently in the PayPal money pool.


- In 2020 we only got 290€ in donations into that money pool.

- So in the budget 2021 we need to decide what our target for donations 
is. As a reminder, in 2019 we managed to collect over 1000€ in donations 
but that was linked to specific drive for the web site. As OSGeo paid 
for the website, we still have most of that money left (minus some that 
was spent for sprints). I would think that if we are more proactive for 
donations we should be able to at double last year's amount and so we 
could put in a target of at least 500€ in the 2021 budget.


- This is a budget, and so it also contains some elements of hope. I 
think we should foresee money for in-person sprints, which might become 
possible again in the second semester of 2021. If we can't do them, 
we'll save that money, but we should at least budget the option. In 
2019, the main sprint cost about 1000€ with roughly half for travelling 
and half for other costs, a second smaller sprint was about 500€. So I 
added that. If we are able to organise these sprints, we still would end 
up with a surplus at the end of the year, even if we do not collect any 
donations, so I think we can take the "risk" of budgeting them.


This also allows to show that we do not only rely on OSGeo for the 
funding, but use our own money as well.


I've gone ahead to change both the file in Nextcloud and the wiki (do we 
really need both ? can't we just link from the wiki to a read-only 
version of the Nextcloud file ?), but please feel free to revert if you 
disagree.


Moritz
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Budget 2021

[Michael Barton]

This seems like a very good idea for the coming year.

Michael
_
C. Michael Barton
Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & Ecological Sciences
Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems
Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Arizona State University
Tempe, AZ  85287-2402
USA

voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC)
fax: 480-965-7671(SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)
www: http://shesc.asu.edu, https://complexity.asu.edu, 
http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton

On Jan 13, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Markus Neteler 
mailto:nete...@osgeo.org>> wrote:

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 11:30 AM Luca Delucchi 
mailto:lucadel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 at 10:19, Markus Neteler 
mailto:nete...@osgeo.org>> wrote:
...
Then we can use similar figures and leave out physical meetings.

But also other expenses are related to physical meetings, probably
this year will be difficult to meet again.
This year I would ask less money to OSGeo, also because there was no
money back from FOSS4G 2020 and this year is still a question marker

Yes, agreed.

Today Vero and I went through the budget of 2020 and cleaned it up.

I created a ODS table in the nextcloud of OSGeo for both 2020 and 2021:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nextcloud.osgeo.org/s/dKXfqq4QkMmSkB5__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!N7XFQpopG5MG6SP0SXcElcvlN5btvxo6S8v25k9bQ9bk7ZknW3t8q8uLnXV_pPAq2OzQAXk$

Of course I'd be grateful to receive suggestions and ideas.

In the case could organize something like microgrants for translation,
documentation or communication?

Great idea: added to the draft budget.

See
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2021__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!N7XFQpopG5MG6SP0SXcElcvlN5btvxo6S8v25k9bQ9bk7ZknW3t8q8uLnXV_pPAqVdQmrYw$

and OSGeo request put here:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Budget_2021*OSGeo_Projects__;Iw!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!N7XFQpopG5MG6SP0SXcElcvlN5btvxo6S8v25k9bQ9bk7ZknW3t8q8uLnXV_pPAqM1S0-HE$

Please speak up if anyone disagrees.

Cheers,
Markus
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Budget 2021

[Markus Neteler]

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 11:30 AM Luca Delucchi  wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 at 10:19, Markus Neteler  wrote:
...
> > Then we can use similar figures and leave out physical meetings.
> >
> But also other expenses are related to physical meetings, probably
> this year will be difficult to meet again.
> This year I would ask less money to OSGeo, also because there was no
> money back from FOSS4G 2020 and this year is still a question marker

Yes, agreed.

Today Vero and I went through the budget of 2020 and cleaned it up.

I created a ODS table in the nextcloud of OSGeo for both 2020 and 2021:
https://nextcloud.osgeo.org/s/dKXfqq4QkMmSkB5

> > Of course I'd be grateful to receive suggestions and ideas.
> >
> In the case could organize something like microgrants for translation,
> documentation or communication?

Great idea: added to the draft budget.

See
https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2021

and OSGeo request put here:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Budget_2021#OSGeo_Projects

Please speak up if anyone disagrees.

Cheers,
Markus
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Budget 2021

[Luca Delucchi]

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 at 10:19, Markus Neteler  wrote:
>
> PSC,

Dear all,

> Then we can use similar figures and leave out physical meetings.
>

But also other expenses are related to physical meetings, probably
this year will be difficult to meet again.
This year I would ask less money to OSGeo, also because there was no
money back from FOSS4G 2020 and this year is still a question marker

> Of course I'd be grateful to receive suggestions and ideas.
>

In the case could organize something like microgrants for translation,
documentation or communication?

> Markus
>

-- 
ciao
Luca

www.lucadelu.org
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Budget 2021

[Markus Neteler]

PSC,

The budget meeting on 18 January 2021, so  I'd rather proceed with
drafting the budget:

https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2021

I would need an overview of what is leftover from 2020 (Martin, Moritz?).
Then we can use similar figures and leave out physical meetings.

Of course I'd be grateful to receive suggestions and ideas.

Markus

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 12:19 AM Michael Barton  wrote:
>
> Any suggestions? I suspect that in-person events will still be risky for at 
> least the first half of 2021.
>
> Michael
> __
> C. Michael Barton
> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & Ecological Sciences
> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems
> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
> Arizona State University
> Tempe, AZ  85287-2402
> USA

On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 10:08 PM Markus Neteler  wrote:
>
> Dear PSC,
>
> Budget time :-)
> Please take a look at Angelos' email.
>
> thanks
> Markus
>
> PS: I have created an (empty) draft:
> https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2021
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Angelos Tzotsos 
> Date: Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 10:35 AM
> Subject: [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Budget 2021
> To: OSGeo Discussions 
> Cc: OSGeo Board , proje...@lists.osgeo.org
> 
>
>
> Dear OSGeo project members and committees,
>
> Over the previous years, OSGeo has been proud to support a growing
> number of project events, such as community/code sprints, developer
> meetings, and user conferences. As a result of the COVID-19 pandemic,
> most OSGeo events in 2020 were held as virtual events.
>
> OSGeo is reaching out to all committees, including Project Steering
> Committees, to help plan our budget for 2021.
>
> In 2020, the Board assigned an initial amount of 2000 USD to all
> graduated projects who have reported to the Board the last 12 months
> (e.g. during the AGM or directly to a Board meeting). This year the
> Board is planning to continue to offer a budget to all graduated
> projects with the exact amount to be determined.
>
> Due to cancellation of events in 2020, we are not in a position to
> allocate and spend as much as we did in previous years.
>
> To help navigate the uncertainties ahead in 2021, the Board is planning
> to have a budget meeting on 18 January 2021 to review 2020 expenditures,
> sponsorship, and make financial decisions for the 2021 budget.
>
> Please send your detailed requests for approval (see detailed budget
> requests from 2020 e.g.
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoServer_Budget_2020
> )
>
> We would like to ask you to help us with budget proposals to assist your
> project. This will help us set aside a realistic amount of funding.
>
> Please add your project info to the budget draft at:
>
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Budget_2021
> 
>
> ideally by 17 January 2021 in advance of our next Board meeting.
>
> When making a budget request please keep in mind the vision and goals of
> our Foundation, along with any obligations you wish to meet.
>
> Thank you.
>
> On behalf of the OSGeo Board,
>
> Angelos
>
>
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> President
> Open Source Geospatial Foundation
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Budget 2021

[Michael Barton]

Any suggestions? I suspect that in-person events will still be risky for at 
least the first half of 2021.

Michael
__
C. Michael Barton
Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & Ecological Sciences
Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems
Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Arizona State University
Tempe, AZ  85287-2402
USA

voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC)
fax: 480-965-7671(SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)
www: http://shesc.asu.edu, https://complexity.asu.edu, 
http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton

On Dec 29, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Markus Neteler 
mailto:nete...@osgeo.org>> wrote:

Dear PSC,

Budget time :-)
Please take a look at Angelos' email.

thanks
Markus

PS: I have created an (empty) draft:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2021__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!L4HAZtUGyyzoWJ3-slfdaev3sWMYTvG3sMHC4PQ_qi3_g5Se48y8LR3Epy0vuMSxrUg3Tlc$

-- Forwarded message -
From: Angelos Tzotsos mailto:gcpp.kal...@gmail.com>>
Date: Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 10:35 AM
Subject: [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Budget 2021
To: OSGeo Discussions mailto:disc...@lists.osgeo.org>>
Cc: OSGeo Board mailto:bo...@lists.osgeo.org>>, 
proje...@lists.osgeo.org
mailto:proje...@lists.osgeo.org>>


Dear OSGeo project members and committees,

Over the previous years, OSGeo has been proud to support a growing
number of project events, such as community/code sprints, developer
meetings, and user conferences. As a result of the COVID-19 pandemic,
most OSGeo events in 2020 were held as virtual events.

OSGeo is reaching out to all committees, including Project Steering
Committees, to help plan our budget for 2021.

In 2020, the Board assigned an initial amount of 2000 USD to all
graduated projects who have reported to the Board the last 12 months
(e.g. during the AGM or directly to a Board meeting). This year the
Board is planning to continue to offer a budget to all graduated
projects with the exact amount to be determined.

Due to cancellation of events in 2020, we are not in a position to
allocate and spend as much as we did in previous years.

To help navigate the uncertainties ahead in 2021, the Board is planning
to have a budget meeting on 18 January 2021 to review 2020 expenditures,
sponsorship, and make financial decisions for the 2021 budget.

Please send your detailed requests for approval (see detailed budget
requests from 2020 e.g.
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoServer_Budget_2020__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!L4HAZtUGyyzoWJ3-slfdaev3sWMYTvG3sMHC4PQ_qi3_g5Se48y8LR3Epy0vuMSxeWJNp7I$
)

We would like to ask you to help us with budget proposals to assist your
project. This will help us set aside a realistic amount of funding.

Please add your project info to the budget draft at:

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Budget_2021__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!L4HAZtUGyyzoWJ3-slfdaev3sWMYTvG3sMHC4PQ_qi3_g5Se48y8LR3Epy0vuMSxedOEKic$


ideally by 17 January 2021 in advance of our next Board meeting.

When making a budget request please keep in mind the vision and goals of
our Foundation, along with any obligations you wish to meet.

Thank you.

On behalf of the OSGeo Board,

Angelos


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President
Open Source Geospatial Foundation
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