Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

>Do you think it is a packaging issue or not supposed to be included??

winGRASS is a work in progress ;-)

when we can find a consensus that such things/tools may be useful to include
also in standalone winGRASS, there may be a way to include them.

file sizes of these binaries aren't that big that this would be an issue.

thus opening a ticket with screening/listing of pros/cons regarding to
include these nice tools also in standalone winGRASS is the way to go IMHO;
because such things will be lost very quickly in threads in mailing
lists

OTOH I'm also convinced, regarding long term support, a future code sprint
with a comparison of useful *nix tools available in windows with equivalent
MS own tools and a documentation of these results is highly needed for
further decision making how winGRASS will be designed.

user input for support in checking/testing/contributing/... is highly
appreciated. :-)







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Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Sajid Pareeth]

Hi again


> >
> > Standalone winGRASS
>
> would you mind to open a ticket where we list such differences between
> standalone/OSGeo4W, between trunk and stable winGRASS?
>

Yes, those msys tools are not packaged with standalone winGRASS.

Do you think it is a packaging issue or not supposed to be included??

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Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Sajid Pareeth]

Dear Helmut

Thank you for the detailed reply.

It really helped and finally I am able to run the unix based
commands/scripts in GRASS in windows.

So as you said, the key is to install GRASS from OSgeo4W installer, install
msys too along with GRASS.
The best part is bash.exe in msys/bin, which mimic the unix behavior very
well :)


> and furthermore, since win 10 there is also linux for windows [3]  ;-)
>

Yes I have tried this and it works really well. As I said we are forced to
work in Windows 7 with the students.

Thanks again

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Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Sajid Pareeth]

Dear Moritz


> Can't this be configured with the environment variable GRASS_SH ?


I tried it, but GRASS crashes with warning about unsupported shell, and
"LOCATION_NAME  variable not set" error. I think it require more settings
than just the GRASS_SH variable.

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Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Sajid Pareeth-2 wrote
>> OSGeo4W-winGRASS or standalone winGRASS? maybe something with packaging?
>>
> 
> Standalone winGRASS

had a quick look into the standalone installer by unzip the exe, there are
no tools like grep, sed etc included.

OTOH in OSGeo4W-winGRASS, these tools are living in 

C:\OSGeo4W64\apps\msys\bin

please have a look into a OSGeo4W-installation under "apps\msys\bin" in
order to screen which additional useful tools may be included into
standalone installer, as OSGeo4W is the build environment of the standalone
installer.

but keep in mind, there are some MS genuin equivalents of some 'unix' tools
like more [1] or sort [2].

further, in MS powershell there are also some similar tools to cover
functionality like grep.

and furthermore, since win 10 there is also linux for windows [3]  ;-)

to sum up, there isn't one solution to 'mimic' unix like command line
terminals in winGRASS.

IMHO it would be worth to discuss this in a future code sprint to find a
good way to support a smooth command line in winGRASS.

[1]
https://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/more.mspx?mfr=true
[2]
https://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/sort.mspx?mfr=true
[3] https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/install-win10




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Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Sajid Pareeth-2 wrote
>> OSGeo4W-winGRASS or standalone winGRASS? maybe something with packaging?
>>
> 
> Standalone winGRASS

would you mind to open a ticket where we list such differences between
standalone/OSGeo4W, between trunk and stable winGRASS?



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Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Sajid Pareeth]

> OSGeo4W-winGRASS or standalone winGRASS? maybe something with packaging?
>

Standalone winGRASS
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Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

>Though these are not available with the current stable version 7.2.2. Any
reason why these are not >bundled with the stable version?

OSGeo4W-winGRASS or standalone winGRASS? maybe something with packaging?

I'm working here with OSGeo4W-winGRASS the most time.



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Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Sajid Pareeth]

Dear Helmut


> I use this bundled unix tools here all the time in winGRASS. sometime you
> can the use the windows equivalennt of these tools.
>

Now I see these tools with the daily build version of GRASS GIS 7.5.svn.
Thanks for the tip.

Though these are not available with the current stable version 7.2.2. Any
reason why these are not bundled with the stable version?

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Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Sajid Pareeth]

On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 at 18:06, Helmut Kudrnovsky  wrote:

>  >>   I use this bundled unix tools here all the time in winGRASS. sometime
> you
>  >>   can the use the windows equivalennt of these tools.
> >
> >
> >Did you installed these bundled unix tools separately?
>
> no, these tools are bundled with winGRASS.


Oh sorry, I got confused. I understand, let me check.

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Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

> It would be great if an equivalent alternative was available...

IMHO maintain and mimic unix behaviour of command line in winGRASS by
external dependencies isn't the best choice.

in order to get an overview what is missing from the basic unix tools, you
could start to draft a comparison of such often used tools in GIS workflow
which are available in unix/linux but aren't yet bundled in winGRASS and to
search if there are possible MS own equivalents.





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Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

>Do we have to enable these features , or by default available?

which features do you mean? tab completion? copy/paste by ctrl-v?



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Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

 >>   I use this bundled unix tools here all the time in winGRASS. sometime
you
 >>   can the use the windows equivalennt of these tools.
>
>
>Did you installed these bundled unix tools separately?

no, these tools are bundled with winGRASS.



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Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Sajid Pareeth]

Hi Helmut

Thank you for your detailed answer.
That's interesting, I know significant improvement in this regard with
Windows 10, but was not aware of this in Win 7.

The issue is none of these commands are available with the Windows 7 we
have (laptops are provided pre-installed with some customized windows 7 by
our IT, both to staff and students.).
The system configuration says, Windows 7 Enterprise, Service pack 1.

Do we have to enable these features , or by default available?


I use this bundled unix tools here all the time in winGRASS. sometime you
> can the use the windows equivalennt of these tools.
>

Did you installed these bundled unix tools separately?

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Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Bernardo Santos]

 Hello all,
Despite all these functionalities that Helmut cited, I agree with Sajid that it 
is much easier and friendly to use the terminal in UNIX systems than in 
Windows. It would be great if an equivalent alternative was available...
Best,Bernardo
Em quinta-feira, 23 de novembro de 2017 14:17:44 BRST, Helmut Kudrnovsky 
 escreveu:  
 
 Sajid Pareeth-2 wrote
> What I am looking for is a way to
> use GRASS GIS in UNIX like third party terminals in windows, so that I can
> use basic UNIX based commands.

also pipes e.g. to be used with grep, works in the windows own cmd




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Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Sajid Pareeth-2 wrote
> What I am looking for is a way to
> use GRASS GIS in UNIX like third party terminals in windows, so that I can
> use basic UNIX based commands.

also pipes e.g. to be used with grep, works in the windows own cmd




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Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

>For example copy and paste is complicated there

up from win 7 to win 10: you can do simply ctrl-c/ctrl-v e.g. to copy an
example from manual to cmd or if you want to copy something from cmd, just
mark this with the mouse, hit enter, and then ctrl-v.

>or tab completion

at least to complete filenames, e.g. yourgeo.tif; if you're in cmd in the
folder containing this file, just type the first character, hit tab and the
file name will be completed

>What I am looking for is a way to use GRASS GIS in UNIX like third party
terminals in windows, so that I >can use basic UNIX based commands.

simple unix commands like e.g. awk or grep etc are already there:

---
All attempts to enable English language have failed. GRASS running with C
locale.
If you observe UnicodeError in Python, install en_US.UTF-8 locale and
restart GRASS.
Cleaning up temporary files...
Starting GRASS GIS...
WARNING: Concurrent mapset locking is not supported on Windows

  __  ___   _____
 / / __ \/   | / ___/ ___/   / /  _/ ___/
/ / __/ /_/ / /| | \__ \\_  \   / / __ / / \__ \
   / /_/ / _, _/ ___ |___/ /__/ /  / /_/ // / ___/ /
   \/_/ |_/_/  |_///   \/___///

Welcome to GRASS GIS 7.5.svn (r71800)
GRASS GIS homepage:  http://grass.osgeo.org
This version running through:Command Shell
(C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe)
Help is available with the command:  g.manual -i
See the licence terms with:  g.version -c
See citation options with:   g.version -x
If required, restart the GUI with:   g.gui wxpython
When ready to quit enter:exit

Launching  GUI in the background, please wait...
Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.16299.64]
(c) 2017 Microsoft Corporation. Alle Rechte vorbehalten.

C:\>awk --version
GNU Awk 3.1.7
Copyright (C) 1989, 1991-2009 Free Software Foundation.

This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
the Free Software Foundation; either version 3 of the License, or
(at your option) any later version.

This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
GNU General Public License for more details.

You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
along with this program. If not, see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/.

C:\>grep --version
GNU grep 2.5.4

Copyright (C) 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later

This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.


C:\>
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I use this bundled unix tools here all the time in winGRASS. sometime you
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Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Sajid Pareeth]

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Helmut Kudrnovsky  wrote:

> >But for command line, Is there anything better than cmd.exe?
>
> what is missing in MS cmd?
>

It is not user friendly compared to UNIX shell. For example copy and paste
is complicated there or tab completion. What I am looking for is a way to
use GRASS GIS in UNIX like third party terminals in windows, so that I can
use basic UNIX based commands.

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Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Moritz Lennert]

On 23/11/17 15:18, Sajid Pareeth wrote:

Hi all

I need to teach students GRASS GIS in Windows 7. Of course the GUI part 
works and all good.


But for command line, Is there anything better than cmd.exe?

There are many Console emulators available now a days, like Cmder 
(http://cmder.net/)  and ConEmu (https://conemu.github.io/) in windows 
which are rich in features. GRASS GIS works in those, but wont inherit 
the features of those terminals as it opens with cmd.exe as shell.



Can't this be configured with the environment variable GRASS_SH ?

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Re: [GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

>But for command line, Is there anything better than cmd.exe?

what is missing in MS cmd?



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[GRASS-user] GRASS GIS and alternative command line terminals in Windows

[Sajid Pareeth]

Hi all

I need to teach students GRASS GIS in Windows 7. Of course the GUI part
works and all good.

But for command line, Is there anything better than cmd.exe?

There are many Console emulators available now a days, like Cmder (
http://cmder.net/)  and ConEmu (https://conemu.github.io/) in windows which
are rich in features. GRASS GIS works in those, but wont inherit the
features of those terminals as it opens with cmd.exe as shell.

Is there any way to get GRASS GIS work with those features of the terminals
too?

I see in the startup script that cygwin is still given as an optional
shell. I have never used it. How easy is to setup grass 7 with cygwin
considering that students also have to follow it?

Thanks in advance for any pointers.

Regards

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