[gmx-users] Broken protein chain: WARNING: Listed nonbonded interaction between particles ...

2015-08-20 Thread Jorge Fernandez de Cossio Diaz
Hi all,

I have a PDB file containing two proteins. One of the proteins has a long 
stretch of missing residues. When I try to energy-minimize it, I get the 
following:

WARNING: Listed nonbonded interaction between particles 2897 and 2908
at distance 3f which is larger than the table limit 3f nm.

Now, it turns out that atoms 2897 and 2908 belong to the residues between which 
the missing sequence lies. They are very far apart (because the missing stretch 
is quite long), so I don't think there should be any interaction between them. 
However, this WARNING seems to be saying that for some reason, the topology 
generated included an interaction between them, probably because it interpreted 
that since the two residues are consecutive in the PDB file, they are bonded 
(which they aren't, because of the missing residues).

After trying some things, I realized that if I remove the option -chainsep id 
from pdb2gmx when I generate the topology, I don't get this warning. Instead, I 
get a bunch of topology files, each corresponding to a fragment of each chain, 
instead of a topology per chain. This is very hard to deal with, because, for 
example, if I want to make a position restrain on the backbone of each chain, I 
have to keep track of each fragment separately.

Is there a way to fix the WARNING above without having to remove the option 
-chainsep id from pdb2gmx?

Thanks. Best,
cossio
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Re: [gmx-users] Broken protein chain: WARNING: Listed nonbonded interaction between particles ...

2015-08-20 Thread Mark Abraham
Hi,

Yes, see pdbgmx -h about merge. Probably you want -merge interactive
-chainsep id

Mark

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:39 PM Jorge Fernandez de Cossio Diaz 
cos...@cim.sld.cu wrote:

 Hi all,

 I have a PDB file containing two proteins. One of the proteins has a long
 stretch of missing residues. When I try to energy-minimize it, I get the
 following:

 WARNING: Listed nonbonded interaction between particles 2897 and 2908
 at distance 3f which is larger than the table limit 3f nm.

 Now, it turns out that atoms 2897 and 2908 belong to the residues between
 which the missing sequence lies. They are very far apart (because the
 missing stretch is quite long), so I don't think there should be any
 interaction between them. However, this WARNING seems to be saying that for
 some reason, the topology generated included an interaction between them,
 probably because it interpreted that since the two residues are consecutive
 in the PDB file, they are bonded (which they aren't, because of the missing
 residues).

 After trying some things, I realized that if I remove the option
 -chainsep id from pdb2gmx when I generate the topology, I don't get this
 warning. Instead, I get a bunch of topology files, each corresponding to a
 fragment of each chain, instead of a topology per chain. This is very hard
 to deal with, because, for example, if I want to make a position restrain
 on the backbone of each chain, I have to keep track of each fragment
 separately.

 Is there a way to fix the WARNING above without having to remove the
 option -chainsep id from pdb2gmx?

 Thanks. Best,
 cossio
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Re: [gmx-users] Broken protein chain: WARNING: Listed nonbonded interaction between particles ...

2015-08-20 Thread Jorge Fernandez de Cossio Diaz
Tried using -merge interactive -chainsep id on pdb2gmx, but I still get the 
same WARNING:

WARNING: Listed nonbonded interaction between particles 2897 and 2908
at distance 3f which is larger than the table limit 3f nm.

The energy minimization step prints this as a warning and proceeds, but when I 
try to equilibrate the system later, the warning becomes an error and it 
doesn't let me proceed, so this seems to be important. Also, it doesn't make 
sense to me that 2897 and 2908 are interacting, because even though they are 
consecutive (because of missing residues), they are very far apart in space.

So why is it that when I put the fragments into the same chain, the topology 
creates this spurious interaction?

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 19:00:29 +
From: Mark Abraham mark.j.abra...@gmail.com
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gromacs.org_gmx-users@maillist.sys.kth.se
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Broken protein chain: WARNING: Listed
nonbonded interaction between particles ...
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Hi,

Yes, see pdbgmx -h about merge. Probably you want -merge interactive
-chainsep id

Mark

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:39 PM Jorge Fernandez de Cossio Diaz 
cos...@cim.sld.cu wrote:

 Hi all,

 I have a PDB file containing two proteins. One of the proteins has a long
 stretch of missing residues. When I try to energy-minimize it, I get the
 following:

 WARNING: Listed nonbonded interaction between particles 2897 and 2908
 at distance 3f which is larger than the table limit 3f nm.

 Now, it turns out that atoms 2897 and 2908 belong to the residues between
 which the missing sequence lies. They are very far apart (because the
 missing stretch is quite long), so I don't think there should be any
 interaction between them. However, this WARNING seems to be saying that for
 some reason, the topology generated included an interaction between them,
 probably because it interpreted that since the two residues are consecutive
 in the PDB file, they are bonded (which they aren't, because of the missing
 residues).

 After trying some things, I realized that if I remove the option
 -chainsep id from pdb2gmx when I generate the topology, I don't get this
 warning. Instead, I get a bunch of topology files, each corresponding to a
 fragment of each chain, instead of a topology per chain. This is very hard
 to deal with, because, for example, if I want to make a position restrain
 on the backbone of each chain, I have to keep track of each fragment
 separately.

 Is there a way to fix the WARNING above without having to remove the
 option -chainsep id from pdb2gmx?

 Thanks. Best,
 cossio
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Re: [gmx-users] Broken protein chain: WARNING: Listed nonbonded interaction between particles ...

2015-08-20 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 8/20/15 4:29 PM, Jorge Fernandez de Cossio Diaz wrote:

Tried using -merge interactive -chainsep id on pdb2gmx, but I still get the 
same WARNING:

WARNING: Listed nonbonded interaction between particles 2897 and 2908
at distance 3f which is larger than the table limit 3f nm.

The energy minimization step prints this as a warning and proceeds, but when I 
try to equilibrate the system later, the warning becomes an error and it 
doesn't let me proceed, so this seems to be important. Also, it doesn't make 
sense to me that 2897 and 2908 are interacting, because even though they are 
consecutive (because of missing residues), they are very far apart in space.

So why is it that when I put the fragments into the same chain, the topology 
creates this spurious interaction?



Because you're ignoring something physically relevant - you have missing 
residues!  pdb2gmx certainly gave long bond warnings when you produced the 
topology.  You need to model in the missing residues, otherwise the structure is 
useless to you.


-Justin


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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 19:00:29 +
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Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Broken protein chain: WARNING: Listed
 nonbonded interaction between particles ...
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Hi,

Yes, see pdbgmx -h about merge. Probably you want -merge interactive
-chainsep id

Mark

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:39 PM Jorge Fernandez de Cossio Diaz 
cos...@cim.sld.cu wrote:


Hi all,

I have a PDB file containing two proteins. One of the proteins has a long
stretch of missing residues. When I try to energy-minimize it, I get the
following:

WARNING: Listed nonbonded interaction between particles 2897 and 2908
at distance 3f which is larger than the table limit 3f nm.

Now, it turns out that atoms 2897 and 2908 belong to the residues between
which the missing sequence lies. They are very far apart (because the
missing stretch is quite long), so I don't think there should be any
interaction between them. However, this WARNING seems to be saying that for
some reason, the topology generated included an interaction between them,
probably because it interpreted that since the two residues are consecutive
in the PDB file, they are bonded (which they aren't, because of the missing
residues).

After trying some things, I realized that if I remove the option
-chainsep id from pdb2gmx when I generate the topology, I don't get this
warning. Instead, I get a bunch of topology files, each corresponding to a
fragment of each chain, instead of a topology per chain. This is very hard
to deal with, because, for example, if I want to make a position restrain
on the backbone of each chain, I have to keep track of each fragment
separately.

Is there a way to fix the WARNING above without having to remove the
option -chainsep id from pdb2gmx?

Thanks. Best,
cossio
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