Re: Moving from mailing lists to Discourse
Am Mittwoch, den 06.02.2019, 12:46 +0100 schrieb Emmanuele Bassi via gtk-app-devel-list: > [Cross-posted to various relevant mailing lists; please, reply to > gtk-devel-list] > > As part of an attempt at making GTK more friendly to newcomers, I and > other > core developers were thinking of moving the mailing lists from the > current > mailman installation to Discourse: > > https://discourse.org/ > > Possibly still hosted on GNOME infrastructure, depending on the > requirements for our sysadmins. > > The GTK project would have various sub-topics, mostly around > development > with and of GTK. Having a better archive search, a better moderation > system, and a decent web UI are the major selling points for > switching to > Discourse. The fact that the project is also open source is neatly > aligned > with our values. > > Are there any objections? Did somebody already try out Discourse and > has > opinions about it that they want to share with the community? > > Ciao, > Emmanuele. I'd very much welcome such a change. Being able to inline screenshots would greatly improve discussions around certain problems IMHO. --Tilo ___ gtk-app-devel-list mailing list gtk-app-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-app-devel-list
Re: Moving from mailing lists to Discourse
As a side note, Python has also opened a Discourse instance (in addition to their Zulip experiment), and the results have pretty much been positive. I've also been on Fedora's for quite some time, and it's great. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:46 AM Emmanuele Bassi via gtk-devel-list < gtk-devel-l...@gnome.org> wrote: > [Cross-posted to various relevant mailing lists; please, reply to > gtk-devel-list] > > As part of an attempt at making GTK more friendly to newcomers, I and > other core developers were thinking of moving the mailing lists from the > current mailman installation to Discourse: > > https://discourse.org/ > > Possibly still hosted on GNOME infrastructure, depending on the > requirements for our sysadmins. > > The GTK project would have various sub-topics, mostly around development > with and of GTK. Having a better archive search, a better moderation > system, and a decent web UI are the major selling points for switching to > Discourse. The fact that the project is also open source is neatly aligned > with our values. > > Are there any objections? Did somebody already try out Discourse and has > opinions about it that they want to share with the community? > > Ciao, > Emmanuele. > -- > https://www.bassi.io > [@] ebassi [@gmail.com] > ___ > gtk-devel-list mailing list > gtk-devel-l...@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list > -- Ryan (ライアン) Yoko Shimomura, ryo (supercell/EGOIST), Hiroyuki Sawano >> everyone else https://refi64.com/ ___ gtk-app-devel-list mailing list gtk-app-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-app-devel-list
Re: Moving from mailing lists to Discourse
Hi all, I'm very much in favor! Being able to still use e-mail while also having a convenient and pretty-looking interface is something I look *really* forward to. My only question is: what happens to the old archives? Do we keep them online as-is, or is there a plan to also migrate them? The former means of course less effort, but the latter would keep everything unified in one UI for example. I'm fine with whatever you choose :-) Thanks in any case for taking this up, Emmanuele! Cheers, nielsdg On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 3:42 PM Emmanuele Bassi via gtk-devel-list wrote: > > More information on Discourse: > > - About: https://www.discourse.org/about > - Features: https://www.discourse.org/features > > Discourse is a forum software that has multiple ways to access it: web, > native apps, and email. It's not a mailing list software with a web frontend. > > The interesting (to me) parts are: > > - 2FA instead of Mailman's plaintext password > - real moderation tools, that can scale with the community and encourage > civility and code of conduct compliant behaviour > - anti-spam measures > - open source software (kind of a pre-requisite) > - good UI for reading and replying to topics > > The Fedora (Silverblue) and Ubuntu communities already use Discourse, for > instance; the SDL community also does. > > Ciao, > Emmanuele. > > > On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 at 12:46, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: >> >> [Cross-posted to various relevant mailing lists; please, reply to >> gtk-devel-list] >> >> As part of an attempt at making GTK more friendly to newcomers, I and other >> core developers were thinking of moving the mailing lists from the current >> mailman installation to Discourse: >> >> https://discourse.org/ >> >> Possibly still hosted on GNOME infrastructure, depending on the requirements >> for our sysadmins. >> >> The GTK project would have various sub-topics, mostly around development >> with and of GTK. Having a better archive search, a better moderation system, >> and a decent web UI are the major selling points for switching to Discourse. >> The fact that the project is also open source is neatly aligned with our >> values. >> >> Are there any objections? Did somebody already try out Discourse and has >> opinions about it that they want to share with the community? >> >> Ciao, >> Emmanuele. >> -- >> https://www.bassi.io >> [@] ebassi [@gmail.com] > > > > -- > https://www.bassi.io > [@] ebassi [@gmail.com] > ___ > gtk-devel-list mailing list > gtk-devel-l...@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list ___ gtk-app-devel-list mailing list gtk-app-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-app-devel-list
Re: Moving from mailing lists to Discourse
Emmaneule, at ardour.org, we recently switched from using Drupal forums to Discourse. The results have been delightful. We managed to get single sign on integration with our existing site working, which was important for us, but probably not so much for a GTK Discourse. More notably, once you figure out how to get the settings right, the integration with email was also a pleasure. The move has definitely made our forums more active, easier to manage, nicer to interact with and has also largely solved the spam problems that we had before, even when we used Mollum. So ... although our needs and goals were slightly different from yours, I can say that for us, the move was very successful and we like Discourse very much. --p On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 4:46 AM Emmanuele Bassi via gtk-list < gtk-l...@gnome.org> wrote: > [Cross-posted to various relevant mailing lists; please, reply to > gtk-devel-list] > > As part of an attempt at making GTK more friendly to newcomers, I and > other core developers were thinking of moving the mailing lists from the > current mailman installation to Discourse: > > https://discourse.org/ > > Possibly still hosted on GNOME infrastructure, depending on the > requirements for our sysadmins. > > The GTK project would have various sub-topics, mostly around development > with and of GTK. Having a better archive search, a better moderation > system, and a decent web UI are the major selling points for switching to > Discourse. The fact that the project is also open source is neatly aligned > with our values. > > Are there any objections? Did somebody already try out Discourse and has > opinions about it that they want to share with the community? > > Ciao, > Emmanuele. > -- > https://www.bassi.io > [@] ebassi [@gmail.com] > ___ > gtk-list mailing list > gtk-l...@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list > ___ gtk-app-devel-list mailing list gtk-app-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-app-devel-list
Re: Moving from mailing lists to Discourse
On 02/06/2019 05:46 AM, Emmanuele Bassi via gtk-app-devel-list wrote: > Are there any objections? Did somebody already try out Discourse and has > opinions about it that they want to share with the community? > > Ciao, > Emmanuele. Improvements are always welcome, but I've seen a number of moves away from the traditional mailing list, or fragmentation of a list into sub-topics fail miserably. (it fragments the community as well) I'm not sure I see the logic on how a mailing list change could make GTK more friendly to newcomers. You have a good thing going here that has stood the test of time. I would at least maintain the mailing list as is until you have some confirmation that any change actually accomplishes its stated goals. I for one see no benefit in discourse. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. ___ gtk-app-devel-list mailing list gtk-app-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-app-devel-list
Re: Moving from mailing lists to Discourse
More information on Discourse: - About: https://www.discourse.org/about - Features: https://www.discourse.org/features Discourse is a forum software that has multiple ways to access it: web, native apps, and email. It's not a mailing list software with a web frontend. The interesting (to me) parts are: - 2FA instead of Mailman's plaintext password - real moderation tools, that can scale with the community and encourage civility and code of conduct compliant behaviour - anti-spam measures - open source software (kind of a pre-requisite) - good UI for reading and replying to topics The Fedora (Silverblue) and Ubuntu communities already use Discourse, for instance; the SDL community also does. Ciao, Emmanuele. On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 at 12:46, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: > [Cross-posted to various relevant mailing lists; please, reply to > gtk-devel-list] > > As part of an attempt at making GTK more friendly to newcomers, I and > other core developers were thinking of moving the mailing lists from the > current mailman installation to Discourse: > > https://discourse.org/ > > Possibly still hosted on GNOME infrastructure, depending on the > requirements for our sysadmins. > > The GTK project would have various sub-topics, mostly around development > with and of GTK. Having a better archive search, a better moderation > system, and a decent web UI are the major selling points for switching to > Discourse. The fact that the project is also open source is neatly aligned > with our values. > > Are there any objections? Did somebody already try out Discourse and has > opinions about it that they want to share with the community? > > Ciao, > Emmanuele. > -- > https://www.bassi.io > [@] ebassi [@gmail.com] > -- https://www.bassi.io [@] ebassi [@gmail.com] ___ gtk-app-devel-list mailing list gtk-app-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-app-devel-list
