Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-20 Thread Paul Davis
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote:
 GTK+ 2.21.6 is now available for download at:

is this really a correct description of 2.21:

 Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
 ==

 * Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
  GDK drawing APIs to cairo

   [  ]

 * Deprecations:
  - GtkNotebookPage
  - The GtkRecenManager::limit property
  - All GDK drawing functions, ie gdk_draw_*. Use cairo instead
  - All GdkGC functions. Use cairo instead
  - All of GdkImage. Use cairo instead
  - All of GdkRGB. Use cairo instead
  - gdk_{bit,pix}map_create_from_data

   [ ... ]

 * New cairo-related APIs:
  - gdk_window_create_similar_surface
  - gdk_window_get_background_pattern

I though that this work was mostly in the 2.9/3.0 branch ?

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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-20 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote:
 On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 11:52 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote:
  GTK+ 2.21.6 is now available for download at:

 is this really a correct description of 2.21:

  Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
  ==
 
  * Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
   GDK drawing APIs to cairo

[  ]

 I though that this work was mostly in the 2.9/3.0 branch ?

 The old methods still need to be marked as deprecated and replacements
 available in 2.x to ease GTK+ 3.x porting, otherwise you're left having
 to port everything before you can test it out.

i wasn't aware that the drawing switch was planned for 2.22. this now
makes this branch barely 2.X at all, from our perspective. it
fundamentally makes it a completely new implementation of GDK, within
a supposedly stable branch of GTK. this is quite problematic, i think.
i was under the impression that 2.22 was going to be the last release
of 2.X, not a preview of what 3.0 would contain.
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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-20 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote:

 New functionality is available in both when it makes sense to do so, and
 deprecated functionality is marked as much.

 You shouldn't see any difference in usage if you don't use the new
 functionality.

We distribute a version of GTK as part of our product for OS X. We had
selected 2.22 as the branch to follow for this, on an apparently
faulty understanding that 2.22 was a relatively stable branch at this
point. Replacing every gdk_draw_* method doesn't qualify for
relatively stable in my opinion. We now have to drop our tracking of
2.22 entirely and simply sit at the current (arbitrary) revision that
we currently use for the build. Frustrating. We went through this
earlier (at about 2.14), when we had to stop tracking releases because
of the breakage being caused to non-X11 backends by changes to various
parts fo the system. I guess we just do the same again. It only
affects a handful of developers but it also pretty much blocks anyone
from ever being able to easily build our GPL'ed app on OS X for
themselves because there will never be a release version of GTK that
corresponds to what is required.
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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-20 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Behdad Esfahbod
behdad.esfah...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 08/18/10 12:50, Paul Davis wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Matthias Clasen
 matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't see how that follows. All that is happening in 2.22 is that
 some things are getting deprecated. You can still use them. We are not
 going to take them away from you during 2.x

 i wasn't really worried about the deprecations. replacing the
 implementation of all internal drawing methods is OK to do in a stable
 branch?

 From what I understand reading the thread, that's your wrong impression.  The
 rendering-cleanup branch is NOT being merged into 2.22.  Just that some new
 functions where added, and some old ones marked deprecated.  You are imagining
 things that are simply not true.

the announcement declared:

Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
==

* Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
 GDK drawing APIs to cairo

did I interpret that incorrectly?
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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-20 Thread Jose Aliste
Hi,

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Behdad Esfahbod
 behdad.esfah...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 08/18/10 12:50, Paul Davis wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Matthias Clasen
 matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't see how that follows. All that is happening in 2.22 is that
 some things are getting deprecated. You can still use them. We are not
 going to take them away from you during 2.x

 i wasn't really worried about the deprecations. replacing the
 implementation of all internal drawing methods is OK to do in a stable
 branch?

 From what I understand reading the thread, that's your wrong impression.  The
 rendering-cleanup branch is NOT being merged into 2.22.  Just that some new
 functions where added, and some old ones marked deprecated.  You are 
 imagining
 things that are simply not true.

 the announcement declared:

 Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
 ==

 * Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
  GDK drawing APIs to cairo

 did I interpret that incorrectly?

After looking at the git log, you interpret correctly, but  I fail to
see why do you perceive this as being bad. So, some GDK API is marked
as deprecated, it seems fair to me that Gtk+ maintainers ensure the
deprecated API is not used in gtk+ itself anymore. It is also a good
test that you are not deprecating something that can't be deprecated
(i.e. there is no equivalent functionality in cairo).

Please observe that many of the deprecated API (maybe all?) were
already using cairo internally, so, as it has been  already pointed
out,
you probably don't need to worry that much. Of course if gtk-2.22 DOES
eventually broke something for you, then you should raise your voice
high and complain ;)

Greets

José


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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-20 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Jose Aliste jose.ali...@gmail.com wrote:

 After looking at the git log, you interpret correctly, but  I fail to
 see why do you perceive this as being bad. So, some GDK API is marked
 as deprecated, it seems fair to me that Gtk+ maintainers ensure the
 deprecated API is not used in gtk+ itself anymore. It is also a good
 test that you are not deprecating something that can't be deprecated
 (i.e. there is no equivalent functionality in cairo).

i think you missed my point. this is not about the deprecations. its
about the fact that 2.22 will contain a complete reimplemenation of
the GDK draw routines. this is happening in a branch this is
supposedly stable. i don't understand how this can reconciled. no
API is changed in order for this to happen, but the implementations
are all new. existing programs will compile and run, but if linked
against 2.22 they will be testing an implementation that was (i
thought) aimed at the 3.0 release line. surely this stuff that should
be in 2.90 ?
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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-20 Thread Jose Aliste
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Jose Aliste jose.ali...@gmail.com wrote:

 After looking at the git log, you interpret correctly, but  I fail to
 see why do you perceive this as being bad. So, some GDK API is marked
 as deprecated, it seems fair to me that Gtk+ maintainers ensure the
 deprecated API is not used in gtk+ itself anymore. It is also a good
 test that you are not deprecating something that can't be deprecated
 (i.e. there is no equivalent functionality in cairo).

 i think you missed my point. this is not about the deprecations. its
 about the fact that 2.22 will contain a complete reimplemenation of
 the GDK draw routines. this is happening in a branch this is
 supposedly stable. i don't understand how this can reconciled. no
 API is changed in order for this to happen, but the implementations
 are all new. existing programs will compile and run, but if linked
 against 2.22 they will be testing an implementation that was (i
 thought) aimed at the 3.0 release line. surely this stuff that should
 be in 2.90 ?

aha, now I understand and I believe  you are missing something here.
AFAIK, the Gdk draw functions are NOT being reimplemented. The only
thing that has  happened (if I understand correctly after reading some
of the commits in git) is that the Gtk+ methods
that before used the deprecated GDK API  now use the cairo API instead.

Greetings

José
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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-20 Thread Jose Aliste
Hi,

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Behdad Esfahbod
 behdad.esfah...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 08/18/10 12:50, Paul Davis wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Matthias Clasen
 matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't see how that follows. All that is happening in 2.22 is that
 some things are getting deprecated. You can still use them. We are not
 going to take them away from you during 2.x

 i wasn't really worried about the deprecations. replacing the
 implementation of all internal drawing methods is OK to do in a stable
 branch?

 From what I understand reading the thread, that's your wrong impression.  The
 rendering-cleanup branch is NOT being merged into 2.22.  Just that some new
 functions where added, and some old ones marked deprecated.  You are 
 imagining
 things that are simply not true.

 the announcement declared:

 Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
 ==

 * Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
  GDK drawing APIs to cairo

 did I interpret that incorrectly?

After looking at the git log, you interpret correctly, but  I fail to
see why do you perceive this as being bad. So, some GDK API is marked
as deprecated, it seems fair to me that Gtk+ maintainers ensure the
deprecated API is not used in gtk+ itself anymore. It is also a good
test that you are not deprecating something that can't be deprecated
(i.e. there is no equivalent functionality in cairo).

Please observe that many of the deprecated API (maybe all?) were
already using cairo internally, so, as it has been  already pointed
out,
you probably don't need to worry that much. Of course if gtk-2.22 DOES
eventually broke something for you, then you should raise your voice
high and complain ;)

Greets

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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-20 Thread Jose Aliste
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Jose Aliste jose.ali...@gmail.com wrote:

 After looking at the git log, you interpret correctly, but  I fail to
 see why do you perceive this as being bad. So, some GDK API is marked
 as deprecated, it seems fair to me that Gtk+ maintainers ensure the
 deprecated API is not used in gtk+ itself anymore. It is also a good
 test that you are not deprecating something that can't be deprecated
 (i.e. there is no equivalent functionality in cairo).

 i think you missed my point. this is not about the deprecations. its
 about the fact that 2.22 will contain a complete reimplemenation of
 the GDK draw routines. this is happening in a branch this is
 supposedly stable. i don't understand how this can reconciled. no
 API is changed in order for this to happen, but the implementations
 are all new. existing programs will compile and run, but if linked
 against 2.22 they will be testing an implementation that was (i
 thought) aimed at the 3.0 release line. surely this stuff that should
 be in 2.90 ?

aha, now I understand and I believe  you are missing something here.
AFAIK, the Gdk draw functions are NOT being reimplemented. The only
thing that has  happened (if I understand correctly after reading some
of the commits in git) is that the Gtk+ methods
that before used the deprecated GDK API  now use the cairo API instead.

Greetings

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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 11:52 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote:
  GTK+ 2.21.6 is now available for download at:
 
 is this really a correct description of 2.21:
 
  Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
  ==
 
  * Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
   GDK drawing APIs to cairo
 
[  ]
 
  * Deprecations:
   - GtkNotebookPage
   - The GtkRecenManager::limit property
   - All GDK drawing functions, ie gdk_draw_*. Use cairo instead
   - All GdkGC functions. Use cairo instead
   - All of GdkImage. Use cairo instead
   - All of GdkRGB. Use cairo instead
   - gdk_{bit,pix}map_create_from_data
 
[ ... ]
 
  * New cairo-related APIs:
   - gdk_window_create_similar_surface
   - gdk_window_get_background_pattern
 
 I though that this work was mostly in the 2.9/3.0 branch ?

The old methods still need to be marked as deprecated and replacements
available in 2.x to ease GTK+ 3.x porting, otherwise you're left having
to port everything before you can test it out.

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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 12:14 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote:
  On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 11:52 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
  On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com 
  wrote:
   GTK+ 2.21.6 is now available for download at:
 
  is this really a correct description of 2.21:
 
   Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
   ==
  
   * Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
GDK drawing APIs to cairo
 
 [  ]
 
  I though that this work was mostly in the 2.9/3.0 branch ?
 
  The old methods still need to be marked as deprecated and replacements
  available in 2.x to ease GTK+ 3.x porting, otherwise you're left having
  to port everything before you can test it out.
 
 i wasn't aware that the drawing switch was planned for 2.22. this now
 makes this branch barely 2.X at all, from our perspective. it
 fundamentally makes it a completely new implementation of GDK, within
 a supposedly stable branch of GTK. this is quite problematic, i think.
 i was under the impression that 2.22 was going to be the last release
 of 2.X, not a preview of what 3.0 would contain.

New functionality is available in both when it makes sense to do so, and
deprecated functionality is marked as much.

You shouldn't see any difference in usage if you don't use the new
functionality.

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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote:

 New functionality is available in both when it makes sense to do so, and
 deprecated functionality is marked as much.

 You shouldn't see any difference in usage if you don't use the new
 functionality.

 We distribute a version of GTK as part of our product for OS X. We had
 selected 2.22 as the branch to follow for this, on an apparently
 faulty understanding that 2.22 was a relatively stable branch at this
 point. Replacing every gdk_draw_* method doesn't qualify for
 relatively stable in my opinion. We now have to drop our tracking of
 2.22 entirely and simply sit at the current (arbitrary) revision that
 we currently use for the build. Frustrating.

I don't see how that follows. All that is happening in 2.22 is that
some things are getting deprecated. You can still use them. We are not
going to take them away from you during 2.x
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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 08/18/10 12:50, Paul Davis wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Matthias Clasen
 matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't see how that follows. All that is happening in 2.22 is that
 some things are getting deprecated. You can still use them. We are not
 going to take them away from you during 2.x
 
 i wasn't really worried about the deprecations. replacing the
 implementation of all internal drawing methods is OK to do in a stable
 branch?

From what I understand reading the thread, that's your wrong impression.  The
rendering-cleanup branch is NOT being merged into 2.22.  Just that some new
functions where added, and some old ones marked deprecated.  You are imagining
things that are simply not true.

behdad
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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Paul Davis
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote:
 GTK+ 2.21.6 is now available for download at:

is this really a correct description of 2.21:

 Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
 ==

 * Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
  GDK drawing APIs to cairo

   [  ]

 * Deprecations:
  - GtkNotebookPage
  - The GtkRecenManager::limit property
  - All GDK drawing functions, ie gdk_draw_*. Use cairo instead
  - All GdkGC functions. Use cairo instead
  - All of GdkImage. Use cairo instead
  - All of GdkRGB. Use cairo instead
  - gdk_{bit,pix}map_create_from_data

   [ ... ]

 * New cairo-related APIs:
  - gdk_window_create_similar_surface
  - gdk_window_get_background_pattern

I though that this work was mostly in the 2.9/3.0 branch ?

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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 11:52 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote:
  GTK+ 2.21.6 is now available for download at:
 
 is this really a correct description of 2.21:
 
  Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
  ==
 
  * Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
   GDK drawing APIs to cairo
 
[  ]
 
  * Deprecations:
   - GtkNotebookPage
   - The GtkRecenManager::limit property
   - All GDK drawing functions, ie gdk_draw_*. Use cairo instead
   - All GdkGC functions. Use cairo instead
   - All of GdkImage. Use cairo instead
   - All of GdkRGB. Use cairo instead
   - gdk_{bit,pix}map_create_from_data
 
[ ... ]
 
  * New cairo-related APIs:
   - gdk_window_create_similar_surface
   - gdk_window_get_background_pattern
 
 I though that this work was mostly in the 2.9/3.0 branch ?

The old methods still need to be marked as deprecated and replacements
available in 2.x to ease GTK+ 3.x porting, otherwise you're left having
to port everything before you can test it out.

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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote:
 On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 11:52 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote:
  GTK+ 2.21.6 is now available for download at:

 is this really a correct description of 2.21:

  Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
  ==
 
  * Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
   GDK drawing APIs to cairo

[  ]

 I though that this work was mostly in the 2.9/3.0 branch ?

 The old methods still need to be marked as deprecated and replacements
 available in 2.x to ease GTK+ 3.x porting, otherwise you're left having
 to port everything before you can test it out.

i wasn't aware that the drawing switch was planned for 2.22. this now
makes this branch barely 2.X at all, from our perspective. it
fundamentally makes it a completely new implementation of GDK, within
a supposedly stable branch of GTK. this is quite problematic, i think.
i was under the impression that 2.22 was going to be the last release
of 2.X, not a preview of what 3.0 would contain.
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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 12:14 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote:
  On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 11:52 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
  On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com 
  wrote:
   GTK+ 2.21.6 is now available for download at:
 
  is this really a correct description of 2.21:
 
   Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
   ==
  
   * Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
GDK drawing APIs to cairo
 
 [  ]
 
  I though that this work was mostly in the 2.9/3.0 branch ?
 
  The old methods still need to be marked as deprecated and replacements
  available in 2.x to ease GTK+ 3.x porting, otherwise you're left having
  to port everything before you can test it out.
 
 i wasn't aware that the drawing switch was planned for 2.22. this now
 makes this branch barely 2.X at all, from our perspective. it
 fundamentally makes it a completely new implementation of GDK, within
 a supposedly stable branch of GTK. this is quite problematic, i think.
 i was under the impression that 2.22 was going to be the last release
 of 2.X, not a preview of what 3.0 would contain.

New functionality is available in both when it makes sense to do so, and
deprecated functionality is marked as much.

You shouldn't see any difference in usage if you don't use the new
functionality.

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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote:

 New functionality is available in both when it makes sense to do so, and
 deprecated functionality is marked as much.

 You shouldn't see any difference in usage if you don't use the new
 functionality.

We distribute a version of GTK as part of our product for OS X. We had
selected 2.22 as the branch to follow for this, on an apparently
faulty understanding that 2.22 was a relatively stable branch at this
point. Replacing every gdk_draw_* method doesn't qualify for
relatively stable in my opinion. We now have to drop our tracking of
2.22 entirely and simply sit at the current (arbitrary) revision that
we currently use for the build. Frustrating. We went through this
earlier (at about 2.14), when we had to stop tracking releases because
of the breakage being caused to non-X11 backends by changes to various
parts fo the system. I guess we just do the same again. It only
affects a handful of developers but it also pretty much blocks anyone
from ever being able to easily build our GPL'ed app on OS X for
themselves because there will never be a release version of GTK that
corresponds to what is required.
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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote:

 New functionality is available in both when it makes sense to do so, and
 deprecated functionality is marked as much.

 You shouldn't see any difference in usage if you don't use the new
 functionality.

 We distribute a version of GTK as part of our product for OS X. We had
 selected 2.22 as the branch to follow for this, on an apparently
 faulty understanding that 2.22 was a relatively stable branch at this
 point. Replacing every gdk_draw_* method doesn't qualify for
 relatively stable in my opinion. We now have to drop our tracking of
 2.22 entirely and simply sit at the current (arbitrary) revision that
 we currently use for the build. Frustrating.

I don't see how that follows. All that is happening in 2.22 is that
some things are getting deprecated. You can still use them. We are not
going to take them away from you during 2.x
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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Matthias Clasen
matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't see how that follows. All that is happening in 2.22 is that
 some things are getting deprecated. You can still use them. We are not
 going to take them away from you during 2.x

i wasn't really worried about the deprecations. replacing the
implementation of all internal drawing methods is OK to do in a stable
branch?
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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 08/18/10 12:50, Paul Davis wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Matthias Clasen
 matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't see how that follows. All that is happening in 2.22 is that
 some things are getting deprecated. You can still use them. We are not
 going to take them away from you during 2.x
 
 i wasn't really worried about the deprecations. replacing the
 implementation of all internal drawing methods is OK to do in a stable
 branch?

From what I understand reading the thread, that's your wrong impression.  The
rendering-cleanup branch is NOT being merged into 2.22.  Just that some new
functions where added, and some old ones marked deprecated.  You are imagining
things that are simply not true.

behdad
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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Jose Aliste
Hi,

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Behdad Esfahbod
 behdad.esfah...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 08/18/10 12:50, Paul Davis wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Matthias Clasen
 matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't see how that follows. All that is happening in 2.22 is that
 some things are getting deprecated. You can still use them. We are not
 going to take them away from you during 2.x

 i wasn't really worried about the deprecations. replacing the
 implementation of all internal drawing methods is OK to do in a stable
 branch?

 From what I understand reading the thread, that's your wrong impression.  The
 rendering-cleanup branch is NOT being merged into 2.22.  Just that some new
 functions where added, and some old ones marked deprecated.  You are 
 imagining
 things that are simply not true.

 the announcement declared:

 Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
 ==

 * Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
  GDK drawing APIs to cairo

 did I interpret that incorrectly?

After looking at the git log, you interpret correctly, but  I fail to
see why do you perceive this as being bad. So, some GDK API is marked
as deprecated, it seems fair to me that Gtk+ maintainers ensure the
deprecated API is not used in gtk+ itself anymore. It is also a good
test that you are not deprecating something that can't be deprecated
(i.e. there is no equivalent functionality in cairo).

Please observe that many of the deprecated API (maybe all?) were
already using cairo internally, so, as it has been  already pointed
out,
you probably don't need to worry that much. Of course if gtk-2.22 DOES
eventually broke something for you, then you should raise your voice
high and complain ;)

Greets

José


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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Jose Aliste jose.ali...@gmail.com wrote:

 After looking at the git log, you interpret correctly, but  I fail to
 see why do you perceive this as being bad. So, some GDK API is marked
 as deprecated, it seems fair to me that Gtk+ maintainers ensure the
 deprecated API is not used in gtk+ itself anymore. It is also a good
 test that you are not deprecating something that can't be deprecated
 (i.e. there is no equivalent functionality in cairo).

i think you missed my point. this is not about the deprecations. its
about the fact that 2.22 will contain a complete reimplemenation of
the GDK draw routines. this is happening in a branch this is
supposedly stable. i don't understand how this can reconciled. no
API is changed in order for this to happen, but the implementations
are all new. existing programs will compile and run, but if linked
against 2.22 they will be testing an implementation that was (i
thought) aimed at the 3.0 release line. surely this stuff that should
be in 2.90 ?
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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Jose Aliste
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Jose Aliste jose.ali...@gmail.com wrote:

 After looking at the git log, you interpret correctly, but  I fail to
 see why do you perceive this as being bad. So, some GDK API is marked
 as deprecated, it seems fair to me that Gtk+ maintainers ensure the
 deprecated API is not used in gtk+ itself anymore. It is also a good
 test that you are not deprecating something that can't be deprecated
 (i.e. there is no equivalent functionality in cairo).

 i think you missed my point. this is not about the deprecations. its
 about the fact that 2.22 will contain a complete reimplemenation of
 the GDK draw routines. this is happening in a branch this is
 supposedly stable. i don't understand how this can reconciled. no
 API is changed in order for this to happen, but the implementations
 are all new. existing programs will compile and run, but if linked
 against 2.22 they will be testing an implementation that was (i
 thought) aimed at the 3.0 release line. surely this stuff that should
 be in 2.90 ?

aha, now I understand and I believe  you are missing something here.
AFAIK, the Gdk draw functions are NOT being reimplemented. The only
thing that has  happened (if I understand correctly after reading some
of the commits in git) is that the Gtk+ methods
that before used the deprecated GDK API  now use the cairo API instead.

Greetings

José
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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Paul Davis
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote:
 GTK+ 2.21.6 is now available for download at:

is this really a correct description of 2.21:

 Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
 ==

 * Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
  GDK drawing APIs to cairo

   [  ]

 * Deprecations:
  - GtkNotebookPage
  - The GtkRecenManager::limit property
  - All GDK drawing functions, ie gdk_draw_*. Use cairo instead
  - All GdkGC functions. Use cairo instead
  - All of GdkImage. Use cairo instead
  - All of GdkRGB. Use cairo instead
  - gdk_{bit,pix}map_create_from_data

   [ ... ]

 * New cairo-related APIs:
  - gdk_window_create_similar_surface
  - gdk_window_get_background_pattern

I though that this work was mostly in the 2.9/3.0 branch ?

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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 11:52 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote:
  GTK+ 2.21.6 is now available for download at:
 
 is this really a correct description of 2.21:
 
  Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
  ==
 
  * Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
   GDK drawing APIs to cairo
 
[  ]
 
  * Deprecations:
   - GtkNotebookPage
   - The GtkRecenManager::limit property
   - All GDK drawing functions, ie gdk_draw_*. Use cairo instead
   - All GdkGC functions. Use cairo instead
   - All of GdkImage. Use cairo instead
   - All of GdkRGB. Use cairo instead
   - gdk_{bit,pix}map_create_from_data
 
[ ... ]
 
  * New cairo-related APIs:
   - gdk_window_create_similar_surface
   - gdk_window_get_background_pattern
 
 I though that this work was mostly in the 2.9/3.0 branch ?

The old methods still need to be marked as deprecated and replacements
available in 2.x to ease GTK+ 3.x porting, otherwise you're left having
to port everything before you can test it out.

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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote:
 On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 11:52 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote:
  GTK+ 2.21.6 is now available for download at:

 is this really a correct description of 2.21:

  Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
  ==
 
  * Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
   GDK drawing APIs to cairo

[  ]

 I though that this work was mostly in the 2.9/3.0 branch ?

 The old methods still need to be marked as deprecated and replacements
 available in 2.x to ease GTK+ 3.x porting, otherwise you're left having
 to port everything before you can test it out.

i wasn't aware that the drawing switch was planned for 2.22. this now
makes this branch barely 2.X at all, from our perspective. it
fundamentally makes it a completely new implementation of GDK, within
a supposedly stable branch of GTK. this is quite problematic, i think.
i was under the impression that 2.22 was going to be the last release
of 2.X, not a preview of what 3.0 would contain.
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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 12:14 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote:
  On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 11:52 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
  On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com 
  wrote:
   GTK+ 2.21.6 is now available for download at:
 
  is this really a correct description of 2.21:
 
   Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
   ==
  
   * Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
GDK drawing APIs to cairo
 
 [  ]
 
  I though that this work was mostly in the 2.9/3.0 branch ?
 
  The old methods still need to be marked as deprecated and replacements
  available in 2.x to ease GTK+ 3.x porting, otherwise you're left having
  to port everything before you can test it out.
 
 i wasn't aware that the drawing switch was planned for 2.22. this now
 makes this branch barely 2.X at all, from our perspective. it
 fundamentally makes it a completely new implementation of GDK, within
 a supposedly stable branch of GTK. this is quite problematic, i think.
 i was under the impression that 2.22 was going to be the last release
 of 2.X, not a preview of what 3.0 would contain.

New functionality is available in both when it makes sense to do so, and
deprecated functionality is marked as much.

You shouldn't see any difference in usage if you don't use the new
functionality.

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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote:

 New functionality is available in both when it makes sense to do so, and
 deprecated functionality is marked as much.

 You shouldn't see any difference in usage if you don't use the new
 functionality.

We distribute a version of GTK as part of our product for OS X. We had
selected 2.22 as the branch to follow for this, on an apparently
faulty understanding that 2.22 was a relatively stable branch at this
point. Replacing every gdk_draw_* method doesn't qualify for
relatively stable in my opinion. We now have to drop our tracking of
2.22 entirely and simply sit at the current (arbitrary) revision that
we currently use for the build. Frustrating. We went through this
earlier (at about 2.14), when we had to stop tracking releases because
of the breakage being caused to non-X11 backends by changes to various
parts fo the system. I guess we just do the same again. It only
affects a handful of developers but it also pretty much blocks anyone
from ever being able to easily build our GPL'ed app on OS X for
themselves because there will never be a release version of GTK that
corresponds to what is required.
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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote:

 New functionality is available in both when it makes sense to do so, and
 deprecated functionality is marked as much.

 You shouldn't see any difference in usage if you don't use the new
 functionality.

 We distribute a version of GTK as part of our product for OS X. We had
 selected 2.22 as the branch to follow for this, on an apparently
 faulty understanding that 2.22 was a relatively stable branch at this
 point. Replacing every gdk_draw_* method doesn't qualify for
 relatively stable in my opinion. We now have to drop our tracking of
 2.22 entirely and simply sit at the current (arbitrary) revision that
 we currently use for the build. Frustrating.

I don't see how that follows. All that is happening in 2.22 is that
some things are getting deprecated. You can still use them. We are not
going to take them away from you during 2.x
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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Matthias Clasen
matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't see how that follows. All that is happening in 2.22 is that
 some things are getting deprecated. You can still use them. We are not
 going to take them away from you during 2.x

i wasn't really worried about the deprecations. replacing the
implementation of all internal drawing methods is OK to do in a stable
branch?
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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 08/18/10 12:50, Paul Davis wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Matthias Clasen
 matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't see how that follows. All that is happening in 2.22 is that
 some things are getting deprecated. You can still use them. We are not
 going to take them away from you during 2.x
 
 i wasn't really worried about the deprecations. replacing the
 implementation of all internal drawing methods is OK to do in a stable
 branch?

From what I understand reading the thread, that's your wrong impression.  The
rendering-cleanup branch is NOT being merged into 2.22.  Just that some new
functions where added, and some old ones marked deprecated.  You are imagining
things that are simply not true.

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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Behdad Esfahbod
behdad.esfah...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 08/18/10 12:50, Paul Davis wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Matthias Clasen
 matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't see how that follows. All that is happening in 2.22 is that
 some things are getting deprecated. You can still use them. We are not
 going to take them away from you during 2.x

 i wasn't really worried about the deprecations. replacing the
 implementation of all internal drawing methods is OK to do in a stable
 branch?

 From what I understand reading the thread, that's your wrong impression.  The
 rendering-cleanup branch is NOT being merged into 2.22.  Just that some new
 functions where added, and some old ones marked deprecated.  You are imagining
 things that are simply not true.

the announcement declared:

Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
==

* Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
 GDK drawing APIs to cairo

did I interpret that incorrectly?
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Re: GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-18 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Jose Aliste jose.ali...@gmail.com wrote:

 After looking at the git log, you interpret correctly, but  I fail to
 see why do you perceive this as being bad. So, some GDK API is marked
 as deprecated, it seems fair to me that Gtk+ maintainers ensure the
 deprecated API is not used in gtk+ itself anymore. It is also a good
 test that you are not deprecating something that can't be deprecated
 (i.e. there is no equivalent functionality in cairo).

i think you missed my point. this is not about the deprecations. its
about the fact that 2.22 will contain a complete reimplemenation of
the GDK draw routines. this is happening in a branch this is
supposedly stable. i don't understand how this can reconciled. no
API is changed in order for this to happen, but the implementations
are all new. existing programs will compile and run, but if linked
against 2.22 they will be testing an implementation that was (i
thought) aimed at the 3.0 release line. surely this stuff that should
be in 2.90 ?
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GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
GTK+ 2.21.6 is now available for download at:

 ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/2.21/
 http://download.gnome.org/sources/gtk+/2.21/


8b04df957bed1621fbc09976e4fab38cfe68011825d481070db825adc7ba6467  gtk
+-2.21.6.tar.bz2
094f77d8606ea0ba76f2376fbd9174c29bbdffda8bc007dfee401d92a50e96c4  gtk
+-2.21.6.tar.gz

This is a development release leading toward 2.22.

Notes:

 * GTK+ 2.22 is planned to be the last stable GTK+ 2.x release,
   to be released in parallel with GTK+ 3. It will not receive
   major feature work beyond API additions that are required
   to facilitate porting to GTK+ 3.

 * Installing this version will overwrite your existing
   copy of GTK+ 2.20. If you have problems, you'll need
   to reinstall GTK+ 2.20.

 * GTK+ 2.22 will be source and binary compatible with
   the GTK+ 2.20 series; however, the new API additions
   are not yet finalized, so there may be incompatibilities
   between this release and the final 2.22 release.

 * Bugs should be reported to http://bugzilla.gnome.org.


What is GTK+


GTK+ is a multi-platform toolkit for creating graphical user
interfaces. Offering a complete set of widgets, GTK+ is suitable for
projects ranging from small one-off tools to complete application
suites.

GTK+ has been designed from the ground up to support a range of
languages, not only C/C++. Using GTK+ from languages such as Perl and
Python (especially in combination with the Glade GUI builder) provides
an effective method of rapid application development.

GTK+ is free software and part of the GNU Project. However, the
licensing terms for GTK+, the GNU LGPL, allow it to be used by all
developers, including those developing proprietary software, without
any license fees or royalties.


Where to get more information about GTK+


Information about GTK+ including links to documentation can be
found at:

http://www.gtk.org/

An installation guide for GTK+ 2.x is found at:

 http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/gtk-building.html

Common questions:

http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/gtk-question-index.html
http://www.gtk.org/faq/


Contributing


GTK+ is a large project and relies on voluntary contributions.
We are actively searching for new contributors in various areas
and invite everyone to help project development.
If you are willing to participate, please subscribe to the project
mailing lists to offer your help and read over our list of vacant
project tasks:
   http://live.gnome.org/GtkTasks


Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
==

* Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
  GDK drawing APIs to cairo

* GtkExpander gained a ::label-fill property to make the label
  fill the entire horizontal space

* Deprecations:
 - GtkNotebookPage
 - The GtkRecenManager::limit property
 - All GDK drawing functions, ie gdk_draw_*. Use cairo instead
 - All GdkGC functions. Use cairo instead
 - All of GdkImage. Use cairo instead
 - All of GdkRGB. Use cairo instead
 - gdk_{bit,pix}map_create_from_data

* New accessors:
 - gdk_cursor_get_cursor_type
 - gdk_device_get_n_axes
 - gdk_display_is_closed
 - gtk_notebook_get_tab_[hv]border

* New cairo-related APIs:
 - gdk_window_create_similar_surface
 - gdk_window_get_background_pattern

* Accessiblity:
 - Make Gail work with custom treemodels
 - Implement GailAdjustment::get_minimum_increment

* Bugs fixed:
 599574 Crash in _cairo_surface_set_error
 604391 ...assertion `ancestor != NULL' when switching between tab
 618327 GtkNotebookPage should be deprecated
 623603 meld built with pygtk-2.16.0 giving warnings
 623865 gtkdnd: pointer grab may never finish (ungrab before grab)
 624087 Missing accessor for GdkCursor.type
 624221 Gtk-2.21 Missing accessor for GdkDevice.num_axis
 624224 Missing accessor for GdkDisplay.closed
 624333 Deprecate GtkRecentManager:limit
 624687 switch-page bug when activated from menu
 624779 GtkCalendar padding/margin/spacing/border/whatever is too
hard...
 625491 Generate GdkX11-2.0.typelib (backported from HEAD)
 625650 Add annotations to gtk_tree_model_iter_next() and
gtk_tree_sel...

* Translation updates:
 Norwegian bokmål

Thanks to the people who contributed to this release:
Christian Dywan
Javier Jardón
Emmanuele Bassi
Christian Persch
Stanislav Brabec
Federico Mena Quintero
John Stowers
Szilárd Pfeiffer
Benjamin Otte
Tomeu Vizoso
Fridrich Štrba
Cody Russell
Paolo Borelli
Philip Withnall
Sam Thursfield
Hiroyuki Ikezoe
Sven Herzberg
Kristian Rietveld


August 16, 2010
Matthias Clasen


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GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
GTK+ 2.21.6 is now available for download at:

 ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/2.21/
 http://download.gnome.org/sources/gtk+/2.21/


8b04df957bed1621fbc09976e4fab38cfe68011825d481070db825adc7ba6467  gtk
+-2.21.6.tar.bz2
094f77d8606ea0ba76f2376fbd9174c29bbdffda8bc007dfee401d92a50e96c4  gtk
+-2.21.6.tar.gz

This is a development release leading toward 2.22.

Notes:

 * GTK+ 2.22 is planned to be the last stable GTK+ 2.x release,
   to be released in parallel with GTK+ 3. It will not receive
   major feature work beyond API additions that are required
   to facilitate porting to GTK+ 3.

 * Installing this version will overwrite your existing
   copy of GTK+ 2.20. If you have problems, you'll need
   to reinstall GTK+ 2.20.

 * GTK+ 2.22 will be source and binary compatible with
   the GTK+ 2.20 series; however, the new API additions
   are not yet finalized, so there may be incompatibilities
   between this release and the final 2.22 release.

 * Bugs should be reported to http://bugzilla.gnome.org.


What is GTK+


GTK+ is a multi-platform toolkit for creating graphical user
interfaces. Offering a complete set of widgets, GTK+ is suitable for
projects ranging from small one-off tools to complete application
suites.

GTK+ has been designed from the ground up to support a range of
languages, not only C/C++. Using GTK+ from languages such as Perl and
Python (especially in combination with the Glade GUI builder) provides
an effective method of rapid application development.

GTK+ is free software and part of the GNU Project. However, the
licensing terms for GTK+, the GNU LGPL, allow it to be used by all
developers, including those developing proprietary software, without
any license fees or royalties.


Where to get more information about GTK+


Information about GTK+ including links to documentation can be
found at:

http://www.gtk.org/

An installation guide for GTK+ 2.x is found at:

 http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/gtk-building.html

Common questions:

http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/gtk-question-index.html
http://www.gtk.org/faq/


Contributing


GTK+ is a large project and relies on voluntary contributions.
We are actively searching for new contributors in various areas
and invite everyone to help project development.
If you are willing to participate, please subscribe to the project
mailing lists to offer your help and read over our list of vacant
project tasks:
   http://live.gnome.org/GtkTasks


Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
==

* Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
  GDK drawing APIs to cairo

* GtkExpander gained a ::label-fill property to make the label
  fill the entire horizontal space

* Deprecations:
 - GtkNotebookPage
 - The GtkRecenManager::limit property
 - All GDK drawing functions, ie gdk_draw_*. Use cairo instead
 - All GdkGC functions. Use cairo instead
 - All of GdkImage. Use cairo instead
 - All of GdkRGB. Use cairo instead
 - gdk_{bit,pix}map_create_from_data

* New accessors:
 - gdk_cursor_get_cursor_type
 - gdk_device_get_n_axes
 - gdk_display_is_closed
 - gtk_notebook_get_tab_[hv]border

* New cairo-related APIs:
 - gdk_window_create_similar_surface
 - gdk_window_get_background_pattern

* Accessiblity:
 - Make Gail work with custom treemodels
 - Implement GailAdjustment::get_minimum_increment

* Bugs fixed:
 599574 Crash in _cairo_surface_set_error
 604391 ...assertion `ancestor != NULL' when switching between tab
 618327 GtkNotebookPage should be deprecated
 623603 meld built with pygtk-2.16.0 giving warnings
 623865 gtkdnd: pointer grab may never finish (ungrab before grab)
 624087 Missing accessor for GdkCursor.type
 624221 Gtk-2.21 Missing accessor for GdkDevice.num_axis
 624224 Missing accessor for GdkDisplay.closed
 624333 Deprecate GtkRecentManager:limit
 624687 switch-page bug when activated from menu
 624779 GtkCalendar padding/margin/spacing/border/whatever is too
hard...
 625491 Generate GdkX11-2.0.typelib (backported from HEAD)
 625650 Add annotations to gtk_tree_model_iter_next() and
gtk_tree_sel...

* Translation updates:
 Norwegian bokmål

Thanks to the people who contributed to this release:
Christian Dywan
Javier Jardón
Emmanuele Bassi
Christian Persch
Stanislav Brabec
Federico Mena Quintero
John Stowers
Szilárd Pfeiffer
Benjamin Otte
Tomeu Vizoso
Fridrich Štrba
Cody Russell
Paolo Borelli
Philip Withnall
Sam Thursfield
Hiroyuki Ikezoe
Sven Herzberg
Kristian Rietveld


August 16, 2010
Matthias Clasen


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GTK+ 2.21.6

2010-08-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
GTK+ 2.21.6 is now available for download at:

 ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/2.21/
 http://download.gnome.org/sources/gtk+/2.21/


8b04df957bed1621fbc09976e4fab38cfe68011825d481070db825adc7ba6467  gtk
+-2.21.6.tar.bz2
094f77d8606ea0ba76f2376fbd9174c29bbdffda8bc007dfee401d92a50e96c4  gtk
+-2.21.6.tar.gz

This is a development release leading toward 2.22.

Notes:

 * GTK+ 2.22 is planned to be the last stable GTK+ 2.x release,
   to be released in parallel with GTK+ 3. It will not receive
   major feature work beyond API additions that are required
   to facilitate porting to GTK+ 3.

 * Installing this version will overwrite your existing
   copy of GTK+ 2.20. If you have problems, you'll need
   to reinstall GTK+ 2.20.

 * GTK+ 2.22 will be source and binary compatible with
   the GTK+ 2.20 series; however, the new API additions
   are not yet finalized, so there may be incompatibilities
   between this release and the final 2.22 release.

 * Bugs should be reported to http://bugzilla.gnome.org.


What is GTK+


GTK+ is a multi-platform toolkit for creating graphical user
interfaces. Offering a complete set of widgets, GTK+ is suitable for
projects ranging from small one-off tools to complete application
suites.

GTK+ has been designed from the ground up to support a range of
languages, not only C/C++. Using GTK+ from languages such as Perl and
Python (especially in combination with the Glade GUI builder) provides
an effective method of rapid application development.

GTK+ is free software and part of the GNU Project. However, the
licensing terms for GTK+, the GNU LGPL, allow it to be used by all
developers, including those developing proprietary software, without
any license fees or royalties.


Where to get more information about GTK+


Information about GTK+ including links to documentation can be
found at:

http://www.gtk.org/

An installation guide for GTK+ 2.x is found at:

 http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/gtk-building.html

Common questions:

http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/gtk-question-index.html
http://www.gtk.org/faq/


Contributing


GTK+ is a large project and relies on voluntary contributions.
We are actively searching for new contributors in various areas
and invite everyone to help project development.
If you are willing to participate, please subscribe to the project
mailing lists to offer your help and read over our list of vacant
project tasks:
   http://live.gnome.org/GtkTasks


Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.21.5 to 2.21.6
==

* Most drawing done by GTK+ itself has been ported from
  GDK drawing APIs to cairo

* GtkExpander gained a ::label-fill property to make the label
  fill the entire horizontal space

* Deprecations:
 - GtkNotebookPage
 - The GtkRecenManager::limit property
 - All GDK drawing functions, ie gdk_draw_*. Use cairo instead
 - All GdkGC functions. Use cairo instead
 - All of GdkImage. Use cairo instead
 - All of GdkRGB. Use cairo instead
 - gdk_{bit,pix}map_create_from_data

* New accessors:
 - gdk_cursor_get_cursor_type
 - gdk_device_get_n_axes
 - gdk_display_is_closed
 - gtk_notebook_get_tab_[hv]border

* New cairo-related APIs:
 - gdk_window_create_similar_surface
 - gdk_window_get_background_pattern

* Accessiblity:
 - Make Gail work with custom treemodels
 - Implement GailAdjustment::get_minimum_increment

* Bugs fixed:
 599574 Crash in _cairo_surface_set_error
 604391 ...assertion `ancestor != NULL' when switching between tab
 618327 GtkNotebookPage should be deprecated
 623603 meld built with pygtk-2.16.0 giving warnings
 623865 gtkdnd: pointer grab may never finish (ungrab before grab)
 624087 Missing accessor for GdkCursor.type
 624221 Gtk-2.21 Missing accessor for GdkDevice.num_axis
 624224 Missing accessor for GdkDisplay.closed
 624333 Deprecate GtkRecentManager:limit
 624687 switch-page bug when activated from menu
 624779 GtkCalendar padding/margin/spacing/border/whatever is too
hard...
 625491 Generate GdkX11-2.0.typelib (backported from HEAD)
 625650 Add annotations to gtk_tree_model_iter_next() and
gtk_tree_sel...

* Translation updates:
 Norwegian bokmål

Thanks to the people who contributed to this release:
Christian Dywan
Javier Jardón
Emmanuele Bassi
Christian Persch
Stanislav Brabec
Federico Mena Quintero
John Stowers
Szilárd Pfeiffer
Benjamin Otte
Tomeu Vizoso
Fridrich Štrba
Cody Russell
Paolo Borelli
Philip Withnall
Sam Thursfield
Hiroyuki Ikezoe
Sven Herzberg
Kristian Rietveld


August 16, 2010
Matthias Clasen


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