Re: New Topic!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What armor does is spread a sharp or pointed impact over a larger area. This in turn can help to avoid a broken bone, etc., but in a truly serious impact you'll still break things. Most track folks use armor and swear by it, but people I know often avoid it on the street. On a similar topic--back protectors. Does anyone on this list use one for regular street riding? People probably avoid it because it is expensive, heavy, hotter (than not wearing it), and not that comfortable. Funny, I just described a full face helmet, and most of us use one nonetheless. I say go for it - I won't buy a motorcycling jacket unless it has full armor, and I mean the works, not that spongy crap in the elbows. Of course this does not guarantee anything - you can get hurt, you bet. My brother was wearing full body armor when he had the accident that took his life, along with half the heart of every member of my family. If you can afford it, wear it. You'll be more protected, and your loved ones will feel better too, knowing that at least you're taking every precaution to minimize the risk that is always there. About back protectors: I don't use one, not because I don't want to, but because I have not found a jacket featuring one that fits me well. I will if I find a suitable one. Best one I've seen is the "unforgettable bridge" featured in Aerostich's site... if you can handle its attachment method (most people balk at that, myself included). My lovely boss in the back seat wears a fabulous Spidi jacket with rigid armor and semi-rigid back protector. She refused initially saying it was uncomfortable, but when I asked her to put it back on after my bro went, she did and has since grown used to it. Speaking about that, I _have_ to give the Spidi guys a plug. That H2OUT Tour S3 jacket is awesome in quality and fit, rugged, nice details, great winter outer gear. If you're looking for a new jacket, you must try to take a look at it. If you drop by www.spidi.it , also check the airback protector. Great... if you're built like the guy in the pics. And if you are, man, I hate you... Roberto.
RE: New Topic!
I don't believe that riding suits, leathers and their associated armors are designed for things that you might hit AFTER you've gone down. Obviously, when it comes to protection, more is better but I think riding suits are designed with the thought of surviving the fall, slide and roll. Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 8:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: New Topic! I don't know _why_ people would avoid armor for street riding. You're much more likely to hit something during a get-off on the street than on the track. Mark -- Mark BergmanBiker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman
RE: New Topic!
First, my sincere condolences on your loss Roberto. Actually, I find a full face helmet to be VERY comfortable and the hotter part is GOOD during the colder months. I love my Arai helmet and would feel uncomfortable riding without it; psychologically and otherwise. Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 -Original Message- From: Roberto Alonso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 6:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: New Topic! People probably avoid it because it is expensive, heavy, hotter (than not wearing it), and not that comfortable. Funny, I just described a full face helmet, and most of us use one nonetheless. I say go for it - I won't buy a motorcycling jacket unless it has full armor, and I mean the works, not that spongy crap in the elbows. Roberto.
RE: New Topic!
Actually, I find a full face helmet to be VERY comfortable and the hotter part is GOOD during the colder months. I love my Arai helmet and would feel uncomfortable riding without it; psychologically and otherwise. Me, too. Just as I would feel/look weird without my Hi Viz Lime Yellow Aerostich. People say they can see me. That's GOOD. If they can't see me, then I know that they've got their head where the sun doesn't shine AND they have their eyes closed, or they're simply unconscious. Regards, Henry S. Winokur 94 GTS1000, AMA, MRF, MD/MSF Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD
Re: New Topic!
I also have a Spidi jacket that I wear all the time. I Bought the "NT Trans" jacket a couple of years ago and haven't crash tested it yet really (knock on wood). It has hard armor in the elbow and shoulder, a zip out liner for cooler weather and is for the most part waterproof. The back protector was an option for this jacket and I know I should get it but I just haven't for some strange reason. At any rate it is my first protective jacket and I love it, don't ever ride with out it. I think next though I will be looking at an Aerostich one piece for full coverage protection and flexible comfort. Everything I've heard or read about the 'stich has been very positive so I'm pretty sure that will be my next protective gear purchase. But definitely Spidi makes good stuff ! Darren
Re: Aerostitch
Well, I don't commute, but the Aerostich is absolutely legendary as far as how well it holds up over extended use. This is where it rates higher than almost any other brand. Color fade is mild problem in some cases (call them and ask which colors hold up best), but that is about all. I still see some 10 and 12 year old suits getting top dollar on ebay and such because of this performance and reputation. Jay In a message dated Wed, 18 Oct 2000 1:03:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Regarding the Aerostitch suit how many of us are using one for pretty much daily commuting ?
Armor Where?
So my joe rocket has pads, but can I substitute harder pads in the key pockets? If so where can you purchase theses materials? SP
RE: Aerostitch
I wear my Aerostich Darien commuting usually 3-4 days a week on the GTS. Don't get red!! It fades terribly after repeated exposure to the sun and Aerostich will tell you that when you're placing the order. There is NOTHING they can do about it. The colors that seem to hold up best are black or gray. There is NO WAY this suit will wear out in a year or two and if there is a problem with any part of the suit simply send it in for an immediate repair. If it is a problem with a zipper or a torn seam, they will repair it FREE. I can't say enough good things about the company and the product. You REALLY don't need to wash it very often even if you wear it everyday. Simply take a damp cloth to get bugs of other dirt off small areas. If you do have to wash the whole suit, take out the pads (very simple) and wash with Nikwax http://www.nikwax.com Techwash and treat with Nikwax TX-Direct Wash-in to refresh it's water repellancy. Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 1:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Aerostitch Regarding the Aerostitch suit how many of us are using one for pretty much daily commuting ? I want to know how well they hold up with day in day out usage. Its quite a bit of money to me and I would hate to wear it out in a year or two. Since I ride a bike almost daily. I have a hard time believing with daily usage, repeated launderings and sun exposure any faric would hold up for very long. Any comments apreciated. Offlist is fine I'm sure this subject has been around before. Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Armor Where?
I bought some Spidi armor separately from Lockart. I think that they are better than the other I've seen. They are made of compact foam (Compact Styrofoam ?) like the one that are in the helmets. I feel that they would be able to absorb a bigger force. About the hip pad. I don't think that they are as much useful than elbow and shoulder pads has far as falling off the bike. But for hitting anything after that, any padding anywhere is a good idea. Richard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Shawn Pearsall Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 10:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Armor Where? So my joe rocket has pads, but can I substitute harder pads in the key pockets? If so where can you purchase theses materials? SP
Re: Aerostitch
Hello, This is a true Aerostitch story that comes from the VFR list. This is from memory so forgive me the exact details but the meaning should still be clear. A regular poster was commuting to work on the freeway. I believe he said he was going in the mid sixties traveling in the next to right hand lane. Someone in a car in the far left lane decided that they needed to get off at the offramp they were jsut about passing. This person swerves over 4 lanes of traffic and clips the rear end of the listers bike. Bike kicks away from him sideways and somehow he is sliding down the road on his back headfirst looking right at the SUV that was behind him that is now barreling down on him. He's says the look on the SUV drivers face was priceless. Cause he's sliding down the road at ~60mph and waving his arms/ motioning the driver to slow down. Which she did. The bike was totaled, he was a little sore and the suit was a little bit worn in places but he was okay. I believe that he had the standard aerostich armor and hip, back protectors in the suit. After this story I think have the guys on the VFR list ordered suits and caused a huge backlog at the factory. Daniel SF CA Well, I don't commute, but the Aerostich is absolutely legendary as far as how well it holds up over extended use. This is where it rates higher than almost any other brand. Color fade is mild problem in some cases (call them and ask which colors hold up best), but that is about all. I still see some 10 and 12 year old suits getting top dollar on ebay and such because of this performance and reputation. Jay In a message dated Wed, 18 Oct 2000 1:03:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Regarding the Aerostitch suit how many of us are using one for pretty much daily commuting ?
Re: Aerostitch
Hmsounds like a commercial! S/A #10 Grant Gall "Hawkins, Kevin" wrote: I wear my Aerostich Darien commuting usually 3-4 days a week on the GTS. Don't get red!! It fades terribly after repeated exposure to the sun and Aerostich will tell you that when you're placing the order. There is NOTHING they can do about it. The colors that seem to hold up best are black or gray. There is NO WAY this suit will wear out in a year or two and if there is a problem with any part of the suit simply send it in for an immediate repair. If it is a problem with a zipper or a torn seam, they will repair it FREE. I can't say enough good things about the company and the product. You REALLY don't need to wash it very often even if you wear it everyday. Simply take a damp cloth to get bugs of other dirt off small areas. If you do have to wash the whole suit, take out the pads (very simple) and wash with Nikwax http://www.nikwax.com Techwash and treat with Nikwax TX-Direct Wash-in to refresh it's water repellancy. Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 1:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Aerostitch Regarding the Aerostitch suit how many of us are using one for pretty much daily commuting ? I want to know how well they hold up with day in day out usage. Its quite a bit of money to me and I would hate to wear it out in a year or two. Since I ride a bike almost daily. I have a hard time believing with daily usage, repeated launderings and sun exposure any faric would hold up for very long. Any comments apreciated. Offlist is fine I'm sure this subject has been around before. Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Biketoberfest... last call
I'm headed down tomorrow afternoon from Atlanta - anybody that might becoming through, let me know and we'll ride together. If you're going to be down there, let me know and we'll hook up. I'll be in Daytona Beach Friday and Sunday and dirtbiking in Titusville on Saturday. -Sven
RE: Aerostitch
Typically from REI, Campmoor or local "Outdoors" type stores. Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 -Original Message- From: Louis Tweed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 2:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Aerostitch just where does one get this nikwax stuff? direct or through dealers? Louis If you do have to wash the whole suit, take out the pads (very simple) and wash with Nikwax http://www.nikwax.com Techwash and treat with Nikwax TX-Direct Wash-in to refresh it's water repellancy. Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC
Re: Aerostitch
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Louis Tweed wrote: just where does one get this nikwax stuff? direct or through dealers? Louis If you do have to wash the whole suit, take out the pads (very simple) and wash with Nikwax http://www.nikwax.com Techwash and treat with Nikwax TX-Direct Wash-in to refresh it's water repellancy. Of course, you can just do what I do. Wash it and spray it with Campdry. Works for me. Later, Mike -- Michael Weaver (706)542-6468 [EMAIL PROTECTED] UCNS Network Specialist LAN Support Group University of Georgia, Athens Ga. )O( Public PGP key: http://www.arches.uga.edu/~weaver/pgp.html
Re: Aerostitch + nikwax
Soon as I saw Kev's mention of this stuff I logged on. They refer you to two sites to buy. The 10 oz. is about $10. HOWEVER, www.REI.com has the pair of 'em for $4.99! They note that's 74% off. I ordered two sets. Jay In a message dated 10/18/00 11:42:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: just where does one get this nikwax stuff? direct or through dealers? Louis If you do have to wash the whole suit, take out the pads (very simple) and wash with Nikwax http://www.nikwax.com Techwash and treat with Nikwax TX-Direct Wash-in Orange County, California Park Ranger R-115 1993-1998
Fluff : Aerostitch
In the "for what its worth" department, I bought the grey with black ballistics. My theory was it would match any bike and it looked like a cool starfighter flight suit. :-) Mike The downside is that you will also blend-in when you are laying on the tarmac ;-) Richard
RE: Aerostitch + nikwax
They note that's 74% off. I ordered two sets. snip Careful Jayyou keep this up Mike Myers (Austin Powers) will get you a spot in the next movieCheap Bastard! You dog you :) Just Kiddin Dark outside..6:45...no more fun stuff til the week-end. Chicago, Dubuque, Atlanta, NYC (and that's just Thursday Friday!I'm going nuts man!) #2
Re: Potential ECU Failure
Hi Stan, Can you give some more info, what have you checked? why do you think their is no gas getting to the injectors? the pump may be running but not building up the right pressure. The filter may be blocked. Do you have gas pressure build up after the filter ( to the fuel rail ). With the air box removed , using a long bladed screwdriver ( blade to injector , handle to ear ) you may be able to hear the injectors clicking when spinning over. atb Nick T
Re: DC trip next week
paramithas wrote: I'll be in the DC area Monday Tuesday on business but have both evenings open. Anyone interested in hooking up for a beer and GTS talk? Socialite George No but I'd love a Redskin T-shirt in size XL :)
Re: Aerostitch + nikwax (fluff)
Movie part, eh? How much does it pay? In a message dated 10/18/00 4:01:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you keep this up Mike Myers (Austin Powers) will get you a spot in the next movieCheap Bastard Orange County, California Park Ranger R-115 1993-1998
Re: GTS Photo
Lets see the closest one I have is this one. http://gtser.kendra.com/images/gts100024.jpg The black piece in the rear of the GTS is where The bag slides on. By the foot peg there is a latch to lock the bag on. To anyone on the list, do you have a close up picture of the mounting hardware of the stock GTS bags? - Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 1:04 PM Subject: GTS Photo Attached is a photo of my GTS from a recent trip to Deal's Gap North Carolina. By the way do you know where I can find photos of the Yamaha Accesory touring luggage? I would like to see some details on the mounting hardware with the luggage removed from the bike.
Re: Biketoberfest... last call
Titusville? That's where I live! You best stay out of my garden on that confounded dirt cicle o' yern... FL Kev - Original Message - From: "Steve Baglien" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Multiple recipients of list" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 2:23 PM Subject: Biketoberfest... last call I'm headed down tomorrow afternoon from Atlanta - anybody that might becoming through, let me know and we'll ride together. If you're going to be down there, let me know and we'll hook up. I'll be in Daytona Beach Friday and Sunday and dirtbiking in Titusville on Saturday. -Sven _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
