RE: Yamaha's warranty VS Normal wear. getting fluffy
as I have mentioned in another email, EVERY Yamaha dealer I have talk to about this in 6 countries has said that 1/3 litter at 1000 KM is normal. when it got to 1 liter in 500 miles then they said it was time to get the engine worked on. that happened at about 60,000 miles. and yes the hotter the bike runs the worse the problem. Mike Coan www.warmnsafe.com Home of the Heat-troller www.ttg-global.com Motorcycle Travel Site -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of wghalley Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 4:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Yamaha's warranty VS "Normal" wear. gettin fluffy snip Has anyone ever had a manufacturer admit that an engine has abnormal oil usage? My Chevy truck has used a quart /1500 miles since new and now has 172,000+ miles still uses a quart /1500 miles. Dealer said it was normal usage! I have noticed the GTS uses more in hot weather but I can't say whether this is because it actually does use more or because I ride harder when it's warm out. Bill The bad new is that he says that is "normal" wear after 50,000 miles, and won't be covered under warranty !!! Is this normal ? Did this happen to any of you guys ? Any tough for AJ ? Help ! Richard
Re: Yamaha's warranty VS Normal wear.
Lanouette, Richard wrote: So according to them, we have to open the engine every 20,000 miles UhmmmI'm not buying that. I believe it has been discussed before, but the Genesis motor, aka FZR 1000, will use oil at moderate to high rpm. If you do a lot of high speed driving, it WILL use oil. I have traveled 300 miles at 100mph +/-, and used 3/4 quart of oil. I have also traveled the same distance at 60 mph, and not used a drop. In fact, I have gone 3000 miles, a normal oil change, and not used any. Now if you are using oil regardless of speed, it is possible that something else has happened. But many of us have not had that problem, so, unfortunately, it might just be your bike. That may not be great news for you, but it would indicate that overall, the GTS is a good bike. I guess what I'm trying to say in a round about way is, one faulty GTS does not make ALL GTS's bad. I am sorry that it has happened to you, however. Hey, why don't you try some Bardall. (I think that's how it's spelled.) I have used it in oil burning cars before and it does work. (Although I think it its probably just gummy stuff that 'clogs' the loose area's. I dunno. I just couldn't afford to do anything else at the time!) :^) Good luck, Brandon
RE: Yamaha's warranty VS Normal wear.
how fast do you go? that really is the issue. if you run the RPMs at 6000-7000 then you see the oil use. if you do that over long distances and you still use no oil then you have solved the problem. Also I have never noticed any colored exhaust from my bike and it uses oil. but oil does show up in the air box. Mike Coan www.warmnsafe.com Home of the Heat-troller www.ttg-global.com Motorcycle Travel Site -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason Kaplitz Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 8:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: Yamaha's warranty VS "Normal" wear. I've used Golden Specto in my 93 since it was new. It now has 60K on it and doesn't use a drop of oil ! Maybe there is something to that synthetic oil argument ! Jason
Re: Yamaha's warranty VS Normal wear.
I also think it is most likely to be the seals to be worn. My GL1100 (1980) used a lot of oil but the valves and guides were still OK (after 120.000 KM) but the seals were very hard and broke when I was removing them. My guzzi didn't use oil after 116.000 MILES. I don't know enough about petrol but I suspect the modern unleaded fuels to harden the rubber to fast. A friend of mine works for a gas/petrol company and says there are big differences between the brands and between the USA and Europe. I Once cleaned brake rubbers with petrol and they became about the double size. And after they changed here to unleaded fuel my BMW began to use more fuel and within two months the carburatorrubbers were gone. They just desintagrated. That's also I think the reason not everybody suffers the same problems. Not everyone uses the same fuel. If the guides realy are worn I think you should use better oil (In europe we have oil made specialy for bikes) or warm your bike up carefully before riding fast. Fred Schneider - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 4:14 AM Subject: Re: Yamaha's warranty VS "Normal" wear. In a message dated 8/9/2000 5:53:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So according to them, we have to open the engine every 20,000 miles Talk about reliability. For the first time I am considering selling my GTS, one thing is for sure, it's my last Yamaha. Richard; There is a way to replace the seals without taking off the head. You just need to find a mechanic willing to do it this way. Get the cylinder your working on to TDC so the intake and exhaust valves are closed and use an attachment for checking compression leak down and attach to a compressor and pressurize the cylinder so the valves wont drop when you remove and replace the seals. Of course you have already removed the cams and other related components to get access to the keepers, springs and seals. The Yamaha valve guides are very hard and tough and rarely wear. It is usually the valve that wears before the guide. Bob
RE: Yamaha's warranty VS Normal wear.
like I said before if you never lose a drop of oil and are running in the 6000-7000rpm range constantly then you have an engine from heaven. if you ride at 5000 rpm you will never notice use. Mike Coan www.warmnsafe.com Home of the Heat-troller www.ttg-global.com Motorcycle Travel Site -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 4:53 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Yamaha's warranty VS "Normal" wear. I just turned 100,000. Miles on my GTS. No sign of burning oil. Ray
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Brandon wrote: Hey, why don't you try some Bardall. (I think that's how it's spelled.) I have used it in oil burning cars before and it does work. (Although I think it its probably just gummy stuff that 'clogs' the loose area's. I dunno. I just couldn't afford to do anything else at the time!) :^) Given that the same oil goes through the gearbox and clutch, I'd be very cautious about additives in the oil. Phil
Re: Yamaha's warranty VS Normal wear. gettin fluffy
snip Has anyone ever had a manufacturer admit that an engine has abnormal oil usage? My Chevy truck has used a quart /1500 miles since new and now has 172,000+ miles still uses a quart /1500 miles. Dealer said it was normal usage! I have noticed the GTS uses more in hot weather but I can't say whether this is because it actually does use more or because I ride harder when it's warm out. Bill The bad new is that he says that is "normal" wear after 50,000 miles, and won't be covered under warranty !!! Is this normal ? Did this happen to any of you guys ? Any tough for AJ ? Help ! Richard
Yamaha's warranty VS Normal wear.
Just had a call from AJ at Yamaha USA. He told me that my motorcycle is consuming oil because the valve guides are worn. The bad new is that he says that is "normal" wear after 50,000 miles, and won't be covered under warranty !!! Is this normal ? Did this happen to any of you guys ? Any tough for AJ ? Help ! Richard
re: Yamaha's warranty VS Normal wear.
I've used Golden Specto in my 93 since it was new. It now has 60K on it and doesn't use a drop of oil ! Maybe there is something to that synthetic oil argument ! Jason
RE: Yamaha's warranty VS Normal wear.
The other more mechanically inclined individuals will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong, but if you valve guides or seals are worn, your oil consumption will occur during engine braking or deceleration. You will see blue smoke abundantly flowing from the exhaust during this time. If you're burning due to worn rings, the smoke will appear on hard throttle applications. Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 -Original Message- From: Lanouette, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Yamaha's warranty VS "Normal" wear. Just had a call from AJ at Yamaha USA. He told me that my motorcycle is consuming oil because the valve guides are worn. The bad new is that he says that is "normal" wear after 50,000 miles, and won't be covered under warranty !!! Is this normal ? Did this happen to any of you guys ? Any tough for AJ ? Help ! Richard
RE: Yamaha's warranty VS Normal wear.
Valve guide and stem seal wear also tends to give you the tell tale puff of smoke when you start it after sitting awhile. Darren
RE: Yamaha's warranty VS Normal wear.
it has happened on GTS and in Europe they say the use that we see at 20,000 miles is normal. all oil use is normal according to every Yamaha shop I have talked to in about 6 countries. and the wearing of the rings, valve guide or whatever is normal to these guys. Mike Coan www.warmnsafe.com Home of the Heat-troller www.ttg-global.com Motorcycle Travel Site -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lanouette, Richard Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 7:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Yamaha's warranty VS "Normal" wear. Just had a call from AJ at Yamaha USA. He told me that my motorcycle is consuming oil because the valve guides are worn. The bad new is that he says that is "normal" wear after 50,000 miles, and won't be covered under warranty !!! Is this normal ? Did this happen to any of you guys ? Any tough for AJ ? Help ! Richard
RE: Yamaha's warranty VS Normal wear.
So according to them, we have to open the engine every 20,000 miles Talk about reliability. For the first time I am considering selling my GTS, one thing is for sure, it's my last Yamaha. Richard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Motorcycle Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 2:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Yamaha's warranty VS "Normal" wear. it has happened on GTS and in Europe they say the use that we see at 20,000 miles is normal. all oil use is normal according to every Yamaha shop I have talked to in about 6 countries. and the wearing of the rings, valve guide or whatever is normal to these guys. Mike Coan www.warmnsafe.com Home of the Heat-troller www.ttg-global.com Motorcycle Travel Site -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lanouette, Richard Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 7:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Yamaha's warranty VS "Normal" wear. Just had a call from AJ at Yamaha USA. He told me that my motorcycle is consuming oil because the valve guides are worn. The bad new is that he says that is "normal" wear after 50,000 miles, and won't be covered under warranty !!! Is this normal ? Did this happen to any of you guys ? Any tough for AJ ? Help ! Richard
Re: Yamaha's warranty VS Normal wear.
KEvin True except the catalyst will clean up most of it so you won't see it untill it gets really gross. Bill -Original Message- From: Kevin Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 2:55 PM Subject: RE: Yamaha's warranty VS "Normal" wear. The other more mechanically inclined individuals will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong, but if you valve guides or seals are worn, your oil consumption will occur during engine braking or deceleration. You will see blue smoke abundantly flowing from the exhaust during this time. If you're burning due to worn rings, the smoke will appear on hard throttle applications. Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 -Original Message- From: Lanouette, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Yamaha's warranty VS "Normal" wear. Just had a call from AJ at Yamaha USA. He told me that my motorcycle is consuming oil because the valve guides are worn. The bad new is that he says that is "normal" wear after 50,000 miles, and won't be covered under warranty !!! Is this normal ? Did this happen to any of you guys ? Any tough for AJ ? Help ! Richard
