Re: body mass braking

2000-08-12 Thread Kevin Harrington


--- Roberto Alonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'll pick on your observation, Roberto.  All else
  being equal, rider mass will NOT affect stopping
  distance.  The more the mass to stop, the more the
  downforce this mass has and thus increases
 traction
  available to stop.  This continues until you
 overpower
  the brakes or blow-up the tires.
  This was the day I was awake in physics class...
  Fl Kev
 
 h... not convinced, though I see your point.
 Next time we ride down The
 Stelvio pass, you carry all my luggage so you have
 that extra traction. Oh,
 you're welcome to give my lady a pillion ride, too.
 Or maybe not, maybe I'm
 right after all and someone will go down the side of
 the mountain.
 
 I believe the extra momentum of inertia (not sure
 that's the correct word in
 English) WILL account for extra distance coming to a
 halt. Let's go find a
 truck driver in San Francisco and ask him about
 stopping a full load going
 down Russian Hill.
 
 Later!
 

The truck is on bigger tires--less traction due to
larger surface area with the same mass, plus, his
brakes are probably what will fail.  From a PURELY
physics point of view--if the brakes can approach
lock-up and the tires don't blow--motorcycle tires
could stop the russian truck as fast as the GTS.  The
available stopping ability is DIRECTLY related to the
mass by the normal force acting on the tires producing
the friction we call traction.  My caveat was all else
being equal.  Tires actually approach adhesive quality
now which throws out the friction only math.  Tires do
deform and brakes may fade but if you try it, you will
find very similar stopping distances with different
masses.

FL Kev


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body mass braking

2000-08-09 Thread Roberto Alonso

 I'll pick on your observation, Roberto.  All else
 being equal, rider mass will NOT affect stopping
 distance.  The more the mass to stop, the more the
 downforce this mass has and thus increases traction
 available to stop.  This continues until you overpower
 the brakes or blow-up the tires.
 This was the day I was awake in physics class...
 Fl Kev

h... not convinced, though I see your point. Next time we ride down The
Stelvio pass, you carry all my luggage so you have that extra traction. Oh,
you're welcome to give my lady a pillion ride, too. Or maybe not, maybe I'm
right after all and someone will go down the side of the mountain.

I believe the extra momentum of inertia (not sure that's the correct word in
English) WILL account for extra distance coming to a halt. Let's go find a
truck driver in San Francisco and ask him about stopping a full load going
down Russian Hill.

Later!