RE: dreamy dreamland (was: Fluffing RE: tires again)
Yep. On this one the GTS really does shine. When it came out in 1993, I believe that Motorcyclist Magazine said 60 0 in 90 feet. Regards, Henry S. Winokur 94 GTS1000, AMA, MRF, MD/MSF Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD
RE: dreamy dreamland (was: Fluffing RE: tires again)
Would the body mass of the driver be of any influence on the stopping distance? Not if he's airborne in front of the bike! Sorry couldn't resist #2
Re: dreamy dreamland (was: Fluffing RE: tires again)
From: "Michel Bijl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a 120 front. However I'm not sure how courageous I am in testing the stopping distance. Would the body mass of the driver be of any influence on the stopping distance? Yes. A lot. Have someone ride your pillion and you'll notice that distance increasing. Same with a loaded bike (with stuff, I mean). Body mass is just the same, more mass will increase your momentum (inertia) and take longer to stop. Roberto the ostracized.
Re: dreamy dreamland (was: Fluffing RE: tires again)
--- Roberto Alonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "Michel Bijl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a 120 front. However I'm not sure how courageous I am in testing the stopping distance. Would the body mass of the driver be of any influence on the stopping distance? Yes. A lot. Have someone ride your pillion and you'll notice that distance increasing. Same with a loaded bike (with stuff, I mean). Body mass is just the same, more mass will increase your momentum (inertia) and take longer to stop. Roberto the ostracized. I'll pick on your observation, Roberto. All else being equal, rider mass will NOT affect stopping distance. The more the mass to stop, the more the downforce this mass has and thus increases traction available to stop. This continues until you overpower the brakes or blow-up the tires. This was the day I was awake in physics class... Fl Kev __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/
Re: dreamy dreamland (was: Fluffing RE: tires again)
Yes a GTS can outbrake an R1. I stand by my claim, bring on your R1. :) Dunno about the ZX9 in a corner, I don't seem to be able to keep up with those guys. Everytime I am on a ride that has a couple guys with sport bikes it turns into a race for a few and they leave me and the rest of us that are sane/semi responcible, behind. Luckily I haven't been on a ride yet that involved an accident yet. Louis Roberto Alonso wrote:On a different angle, it's funny how being surrounded by peers praising our machines can take us to outrageous claims. I read something about outbraking an... was it an R1? a while ago, then this ZX9 thing... guys, let's come down to earth. I'll tell you where the guy with the ZX9 went to:
RE: dreamy dreamland (was: Fluffing RE: tires again)
Yes, there are limitations to a bikes performance, both braking and turning, but a rider's personal limits usually intercede LOOONG before the bike limits are reached. Bottom line, the biggest difference in a bike's performance is usually the rider! Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 Roberto Alonso wrote:On a different angle, it's funny how being surrounded by peers praising our machines can take us to outrageous claims. I read something about outbraking an... was it an R1? a while ago, then this ZX9 thing... guys, let's come down to earth. I'll tell you where the guy with the ZX9 went to:
Re: dreamy dreamland (was: Fluffing RE: tires again)
On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Roberto Alonso wrote: snip here absolutely NEEDING (different from wanting or liking) the best-gripping tire IS going too fast. Don't mean to spoil the party, but it happens I got to learn that the very, very hard way. Yep. Gotta admit I don't push as hard as I used to, especially on public roads. Geewent riding this weekend, and last time before that was about 2 or 3 agothe Saturday a friend low-sided his Blackbird to the tune of $3,000 damage...riding faster than I wanted to go on the Duc. Saturday, went riding with a small group, including Mary on her SV650 Soozook. She claims to not be able to keep up very well, but in the tight twisty stuff I sure as heck didn't lose her on the GTS. On the other hand, the day I rode her 650 and she rode the Duc 900I had a bit of a wait at the end. The GTS is NOT a sport bike. Keep repeating that fact folks. It's a fabulous sport tourer. But NOT a sport bike. On a different angle, it's funny how being surrounded by peers praising our machines can take us to outrageous claims. I read something about outbraking an... was it an R1? Yep. On this one the GTS really does shine. When it came out in 1993, one of the road tests pointed out that the high-speed "oh-shits" (100 to 0 as I recall) the GTS stopped quicker than anything they could find, two wheel or four, ever published in any roadtesting magazine. Wish I could remember which test made that claim, but that big ventilated, center-mounted disc up front will really scrub off the speed. And another test did three immediately-successive 140-0 stops and couldn't get ANY measurable fade. Okthe GTS is a sport tourer with tremendous brakes. Phil
RE: dreamy dreamland (was: Fluffing RE: tires again)
Haha. 1. I don't take things personal. I was joking with you. I know my comments tend to get more spirited responses. I will tease you guys/gals from time to time but in is NEVER intended to be personal 2. I did not say the pilots are equal. You are right. If I could ride with myself on different motorcycles, I know that the ZX9 Garrett would kick the snot out of the GTS Garrett. Pilots will never be equal so we will never know. 3. She! now me thinks your poking fun back at me. (haha) So what is her phone number? =) -- From: Roberto Alonso[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Hey Garrett, No offense to you or any of "the faster is better" community, but (snip) (snip) pilots being equal peers? keep dreaming. Either the rider on that Kawa was much less able than you, Garrett, or she wasn't even trying. Hope no one took this personally, esp. you, Garrett. Just thoughts, not particularly aimed to anyone. Later, "Can't we all get along" Roberto PS: BTW, Garrett, I find it extremely hard to take a 48.28032 Km/h corner at 112.6541 Km/h precisely. My sight is not quite 20/20 and can't really read the thin, thin lines on my speedo... ;-D. Maybe if you could ship that 'Busa over...
Re: dreamy dreamland (was: Fluffing RE: tires again)
Eh, might as well jump in on this one! It is true, to date, the GTS has the shortest stopping distance of any bike mass produced. (I suppose that something newer might have reached that limit, but I haven't seen or heard of it.) I also think, IMHO, that the larger (stock size) tire on the front, is a big contributor to that claim. I don't know if anyone has done a test using the 120 as opposed to the 130, but it would be interesting to see how much difference there would be, if any. Even with the 120, I bet it STILL would be the best stopper of the bike world! Anyone out there want to test 'em? Hahhahaahaa Uh, sorry. ;^) Brandon (still sporting a 130!)
