Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
Dave Neary wrote: Reinout van Schouwen wrote: I really believe we should avoid crappy quality shirts. Either we have good ones or we don't have them at all. The kind of shirts that you wear once and then throw away is a complete waste of precious source materials. I really believe that we should avoid expensive. Anything more than €10 per shirt (production cost, VAT included) is just too expensive (that corresponds to a sale price for the t-shirt of €20, given that t-shirts generally mark up over 100%). FWIW for the last few years at FOSDEM we have printed around 250 t-shirts, the no-VAT prices are ~2.70€ for the bare t-shirts (fruit of the loom, value weight), and ~0.70€ for printing (+ ~30€ for the initial frame). Last year we considered to go with better t-shirts (in both quality and ethics) but this is of course not manageable at such a price, and we wanted to keep offering t-shirts at 5€/10€ to foundation members and visitors. At Akademy two years ago there were very nice embroidered shirts, I don't know how much KDE paid for them but I know I would prefer we go for high quality t-shirt, despite the increased price. Cheers, Frederic ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
Op donderdag 29-04-2010 om 13:25 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Koen Martens: Price of a shirt with print varies between EUR 5 for crappy to EUR 20/25 for good quality shirt print. Also depending on area of shirt covered in print, and number of colors used. I really believe we should avoid crappy quality shirts. Either we have good ones or we don't have them at all. The kind of shirts that you wear once and then throw away is a complete waste of precious source materials. regards, -- Reinout van Schouwen ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
Hi, Reinout van Schouwen wrote: Op donderdag 29-04-2010 om 13:25 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Koen Martens: Price of a shirt with print varies between EUR 5 for crappy to EUR 20/25 for good quality shirt print. Also depending on area of shirt covered in print, and number of colors used. I really believe we should avoid crappy quality shirts. Either we have good ones or we don't have them at all. The kind of shirts that you wear once and then throw away is a complete waste of precious source materials. I really believe that we should avoid expensive. Anything more than €10 per shirt (production cost, VAT included) is just too expensive (that corresponds to a sale price for the t-shirt of €20, given that t-shirts generally mark up over 100%). Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
Op vrijdag 09-04-2010 om 00:04 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Dave Neary: Certainly, but even if people register for the free-of-charge ticket, of course there should still be a good supply of swag for them to buy on the spot! But let's make sure that registered participants get something special that you can't buy... Any ideas on what that something special could be? Some kind of gadget perhaps? How much can it cost? regards, -- Reinout van Schouwen ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
Hi, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: The discussion was about the registration fee, not the travel sponsorships. So, this is the last thing I will answer. It was in that context I was speaking. I hope you don't mind me replying again - I feel quite misunderstood, so it seems I haven't explained well up until now. I have heard other versions as well, such as, people who do not work in the desktop, hence there is not budget for them to attend to GUADEC, but they are GNOME contributors in their spare time. Also, I have heard that some companies have a number of slots available for hackers to attend to GUADEC (limited funds), so, it is not possible to pay all of them. So, you can not extrapolate that comment to the whole community. Personally, I do not like your idea of banning people (directly or indirectly) for sponsorship because they work for a company who develop GNOME. Simply it does not makes sense. This is not my idea, and I don't like you saying that it is. My idea is to tell people that GUADEC is not a free conference. And if someone says that that will prevent them from attending, offer to make an exception for them. My point is that €100 less spent registering for the conference is €100 less for the travel budget. And that if you *are* working for a company on GNOME, then your first request should be to your employer, before you ask the GNOME Foundation to help pay your way. If you ask, and your request is declined, then of course, your application will be judged on its merits (and among those merits is, IMHO, whether you can afford to may part of your costs yourself). I would just remind these people that attending GUADEC provides enormous value to your employers, that the work you do during the week is work, even if you enjoy it, and that the results of GUADEC make themselves felt right up to the Semptember release (and I have data to back this up) - so you should have no qualms asking your employer to pay your way, or register you for the conference at the appropriate level, rather than cheating the foundation of a few euros on the grounds that you're sponsoring. Nobody is cheating and nobody from the community should feel that for requesting sponsorship to attend to GUADEC or a hackfest. Here is where I feel the most misunderstood. Take these two phrases together: 1. I have heard (of one former sponsor) that there were unofficial instructions to certain employees to register for the €0 rate because we already support the GNOME Foundation, and why should we pay twice 2. You should have no qualms asking your employer to pay your way, or register you for the conference at the appropriate level, rather than cheating the foundation of a few euros on the grounds that you're sponsoring. Note in the first statement - not we can't afford to, not if you don't do that, you can't go, just we don't want to pay. And I stand by my statement that this is cheating the foundation of a few euros by registering a professional as a hobbyist or even for €0. Maybe I'm being a bit hard - I know that companies have travel budgets to respect, and that those budgets have been cut drastically over the past two years, but at some stage, like I said, the conference costs money needs to be paid for, and I don't want to see some companies taking advantage of the generosity of others, or reducing our travel budget for people who couldn't afford to come otherwise. What are you talking about? Nobody is taking advantage of the generosity of other. If one company plays by the rules and registers their employees at the pro rate and another does not, then the latter is taking advantage of the former. You can not treat as cheaters the companies who sponsor hackfests and GNOME events because they can not send all their employees who want to attend to GUADEC. The employees that are not send by their employers are not less contributors because they work for a company. Everybody who need sponsorship is welcomed to apply for it. It is up to the Travel Committee to decide who and how will get sponsored at the end. The process is clear. You must learn to trust people. GNOME is people. GNOME is people has become the Win Every Argument thing to say... The burden of getting someone to GUADEC is not ours to bear. It is theirs. We can help, and that's great, but we have an obligation to help as many people as possible, and those who will provide the greatest value to the conference especially, and to do that people need to bear some of the financial burden. I'll say the same thing to you that I said to Diego, Germán, if you turn this into the Big Bad Dave who is grabbing money wherever he can, you're only polarising the discussion, and avoiding the tough budgetary choices we have - the end result will be a smaller travel budget fewer people helped in the end. Anyway - I'm not going to be the bad guy to get beat up on any more on this thread. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
The discussion was about the registration fee, not the travel sponsorships. So, this is the last thing I will answer. On Sun, 2010-04-11 at 20:43 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: [...] In fact, this is one of the things which has, in the past, gotten me angry - when I hear that there are unofficial instructions to certain employees to register for the €0 rate because we already support the GNOME Foundation, and why should we pay twice (yes, I have heard this), or when I hear that there are hackers who take holidays and pay their own way or apply for sponsorship without ever asking their manager to attend as part of their work, because they assume the request would be denied... I have heard other versions as well, such as, people who do not work in the desktop, hence there is not budget for them to attend to GUADEC, but they are GNOME contributors in their spare time. Also, I have heard that some companies have a number of slots available for hackers to attend to GUADEC (limited funds), so, it is not possible to pay all of them. So, you can not extrapolate that comment to the whole community. Personally, I do not like your idea of banning people (directly or indirectly) for sponsorship because they work for a company who develop GNOME. Simply it does not makes sense. I would just remind these people that attending GUADEC provides enormous value to your employers, that the work you do during the week is work, even if you enjoy it, and that the results of GUADEC make themselves felt right up to the Semptember release (and I have data to back this up) - so you should have no qualms asking your employer to pay your way, or register you for the conference at the appropriate level, rather than cheating the foundation of a few euros on the grounds that you're sponsoring. Nobody is cheating and nobody from the community should feel that for requesting sponsorship to attend to GUADEC or a hackfest. Maybe I'm being a bit hard - I know that companies have travel budgets to respect, and that those budgets have been cut drastically over the past two years, but at some stage, like I said, the conference costs money needs to be paid for, and I don't want to see some companies taking advantage of the generosity of others, or reducing our travel budget for people who couldn't afford to come otherwise. What are you talking about? Nobody is taking advantage of the generosity of other. You can not treat as cheaters the companies who sponsor hackfests and GNOME events because they can not send all their employees who want to attend to GUADEC. The employees that are not send by their employers are not less contributors because they work for a company. Everybody who need sponsorship is welcomed to apply for it. It is up to the Travel Committee to decide who and how will get sponsored at the end. The process is clear. You must learn to trust people. GNOME is people. Regards, -- Germán Póo-Caamaño Concepción - Chile http://www.gnome.org/~gpoo/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
Hi, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: It's not our job to police how honest is people when they sign up, or ask everyone for explanations when they are working for a GNOME company but they sign up as 0 €. Take my case: I work for a GNOME company and I'll sign up for 0 € because I'm pragmatically and statistically poor. I use all my earned money to pay for tuition fees at university and when GUADEC comes to pay for my not-so-cheap visa/s and taxes. I don't mean to be indiscrete, but have you asked your employer/manager to pay your travel, accommodation registration for the conference? I would hope that every GNOME person working professionally on GNOME (even as an intern or on a short-term contract - don't sell yourself short, your employer is getting a great deal by getting an experience hacker at graduate prices) would not be shy about requesting that expenses for GUADEC be reimbursed by the company, rather than by the GNOME Foundation. In fact, this is one of the things which has, in the past, gotten me angry - when I hear that there are unofficial instructions to certain employees to register for the €0 rate because we already support the GNOME Foundation, and why should we pay twice (yes, I have heard this), or when I hear that there are hackers who take holidays and pay their own way or apply for sponsorship without ever asking their manager to attend as part of their work, because they assume the request would be denied... I would just remind these people that attending GUADEC provides enormous value to your employers, that the work you do during the week is work, even if you enjoy it, and that the results of GUADEC make themselves felt right up to the Semptember release (and I have data to back this up) - so you should have no qualms asking your employer to pay your way, or register you for the conference at the appropriate level, rather than cheating the foundation of a few euros on the grounds that you're sponsoring. Maybe I'm being a bit hard - I know that companies have travel budgets to respect, and that those budgets have been cut drastically over the past two years, but at some stage, like I said, the conference costs money needs to be paid for, and I don't want to see some companies taking advantage of the generosity of others, or reducing our travel budget for people who couldn't afford to come otherwise. I don't think my sponsorship is a payment and I don't think I'm cheating GNOME or GUADEC organizers. I'm sure others are in the same situation, no matter how 20+ they are or for whom they work. Diego, I think it's an error to try and reduce this to the mean Dave who wants to make us poor people pay. There's a budget. There's a financial situation, and a reduced budget, and organisational budgetary constraints of which you're aware, and what I expect is for everyone to have solidarity with the GNOME community, to ensure that as many GNOME hackers as possible can get to the Hague. To make GUADEC the best conference possible. And if we start saying to people sign up for €0 if you want, we won't check, that's the wrong message to send. I'd prefer to send the message Sign up for €100 if you can, it will help others attend the conference. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
Philip Van Hoof wrote: That's all I'm saying, is that when it comes to the financial outlay security of the conference, I think there should be a registration fee, which should be waived generously. But the default option should definitely be pay the fee. No, the foundation is supposed to attract sponsors for the purpose of paying for that. If it fails at this, it fails at its purpose. And that means we have to start replacing the people that run it, instead of starting to ask registration fees at a conference that always worked fine the way it worked in the past. I can run a conference with free entrance for 300 or 400 people, no problem. 500 or 600, not so much. Organisational effort and costs go up exponentially as the size of a conference increases, which is why OSCON costs $750 to attend, in spite of being well sponsored. Anyway - in the past, GUADEC has had a registration fee - it's been €30, £30, and €50. Last year, there wasn't one, but there were no free conference Tees either. So if you're saying that GUADEC should work the way it has in the past, I answer Yes, absolutely, with a registration fee. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
Hi, El vie, 09-04-2010 a las 14:17 +0200, Dave Neary escribió: Anyway - this discussion comes up every year when registration opens, please make sure that the €0 option is an exception, and not the rule. This line is particularly harsh to my third world wallet situation, I'd rather say please make sure that the €0 option is available and that donations for random fees are still encouraged to everyone. :) I'm OK with a two-class society where people who pay more get a little more and people who pay nothing get a little less. Events cost money, and we have to pay for them somehow. I don't want to encourage people to think of the code they write or time they spend as payment for stuff they get off the foundation. This would be a Very Bad Thing. The big majority does GNOME stuff because they enjoy it or because they are payed for it, saying that we might have friends and colleagues working and sharing time with us only because they might get something out of it is a bit rude and far from reality. It's not our job to police how honest is people when they sign up, or ask everyone for explanations when they are working for a GNOME company but they sign up as 0 €. Take my case: I work for a GNOME company and I'll sign up for 0 € because I'm pragmatically and statistically poor. I use all my earned money to pay for tuition fees at university and when GUADEC comes to pay for my not-so-cheap visa/s and taxes. I don't think my sponsorship is a payment and I don't think I'm cheating GNOME or GUADEC organizers. I'm sure others are in the same situation, no matter how 20+ they are or for whom they work. ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
Hey Dave, On 8 Apr 2010, at 19:41, Dave Neary wrote: I think it makes sense to have packs for each payment level - in the past we have had an evening for professional participants only, and FOSDEM does very well out of their model which is it's free, but if you want to get a t-shirt, you have to donate €25, if you want to get a book magazine subscription as well, you donate €50. The €100 price point is a bit high for just a t-shirt, but if we can figure out some way to make it worthwhile for the people paying then I think we should take that opportunity. Aside from a t-shirt a USB key, what do we have to give? Access to some reception? A special badge? The Friends of GNOME mug? For professional attendees, we should make an effort to have something even more extra - a DVD with presentations sent out afterwards or something. Perhaps we could even work with Miro before the conference to have a DVD of GNOME presentations given as part of the registration pack? Speaking from the professional perspective, it would be worth €250 to be in the same room as other professionals/companies commercialising on GNOME to share war stories and compare scars, so a big +1 to some sort of informal networking opportunity above and beyond the always-awesome sponsored events. Please don't go down the DVD route (round and shiny is so legacy), but it would be extremely valuable to have all of the talk materials on a website during or right after the event, especially if videos were included. If you do feel you want some physical tangible thing, a USB key (or even micro-sd like GCDS) with a dump of the GNOME source on would be a nice touch (instantly out-of-date, but I can always re-use a key or SD). And from a personal perspective, it's always nice to get a t-shirt :-) (At FOSDEM I cheerfully ponied up the €25 contribution for that) Andrew. ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 14:17 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Koen Martens wrote: Changing the registration levels is really not an option anymore. If we keep second guessing discussions we concluded months ago, we'll never move forward. It's EUR 0, EUR 100, EUR 250. Agreed. The motivation to pay EUR 100 or EUR 250 is that you can miss it or get someone to pay it for you, and that you want to do this to help make the conference possible and help people who cannot afford it to be there, etc.. Not some materialistic trinket. The trinket is a bonus. No-one likes to think that they're paying more for the same thing - you need some kind of value-proposition for people to pay €100 or €250 - helping GNOME may be enough, and it may not. I have my doubts. Anyway - this discussion comes up every year when registration opens, please make sure that the €0 option is an exception, and not the rule. When the board discussed the bid, it was stated that the fee must not act as a financial barrier to participation. If there is any message to say, that would be the right one. These are just ideas, but the core principle is that if you're coming to the conference, you shouldn't get something for nothing - we should make an effort to have some kind of value proposition for attendees to encourage the higher levels where they're appropriate. One last note, we want to avoid that people think of it as a 'two class society' or something as such: you pay nothing, you get in. You pay 250, you get pampered and VIP'ed. Even though maybe the non-payer has contributed 30.000 lines of code, and the payer none. I'm OK with a two-class society where people who pay more get a little more and people who pay nothing get a little less. Events cost money, and we have to pay for them somehow. I don't want to encourage people to think of the code they write or time they spend as payment for stuff they get off the foundation. This would be a Very Bad Thing. It is wrong to assume that somebody goes for free if he or she does not pay a registration fee. Any person must spend at least €300-€400 to attend to GUADEC. If you add people outside of EU, that must have an extra insurance (€100), some of them requires visa (€100-€200), several contributors are students and does not have any income, some of them works as volunteers in their extra time, so some of them or have to ask for vacation in their jobs or permission without earn any salary. If you still think they want a fee pass because they only write code, then think about the cost of living in non West-European countries, and how these extra costs have a big impact in their income. And even tough, they want to attend and participate of the community, some of them donates money to GNOME Foundation and even some of them even will pay the fee, some of them will be willing to spend some extra money to buy anything is on sale related to GNOME or some them will become Friend of GNOME is they are encourage to do it there. I do prefer a more positive message for those contributors who can pay the fee instead speaking about two-class society which sound negative for those who can not afford it. Regards, -- Germán Póo-Caamaño Concepción - Chile http://www.gnome.org/~gpoo/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
Hi, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: I'm OK with a two-class society where people who pay more get a little more and people who pay nothing get a little less. Events cost money, and we have to pay for them somehow. I don't want to encourage people to think of the code they write or time they spend as payment for stuff they get off the foundation. This would be a Very Bad Thing. It is wrong to assume that somebody goes for free if he or she does not pay a registration fee. Any person must spend at least €300-€400 to attend to GUADEC. What is wrong is to consider that the GNOME Foundation owes any GNOME developers free entry to the conference. As I said, these things cost money, and must be paid for, and we also want to pay for hackfests and sysadmins and executive directors and travel subsidies... What you said is exactly right - for a core contributor, a financial inability to come should not be a barrier to attendance. But when I see people employed by companies to work on GNOME saying that they can't afford a €100 registration fee, I get upset. When I see people who can clearly afford €100 to register (or €250 for a pro registration that they could expense to their employer) paying nothing, and getting the same conference experience as I get paying €100, I get very upset. And when I see people who have never made a substantial contribution to GNOME apply for, and obtain, travel subsidies to attend, that makes me really, really upset. Upset enough to pay for the €0 option rather than subsidise people who could afford to pay a little themselves. If you add people outside of EU, that must have an extra insurance (€100), some of them requires visa (€100-€200), several contributors are students and does not have any income, some of them works as volunteers in their extra time, so some of them or have to ask for vacation in their jobs or permission without earn any salary. We have done a lot to ensure that we can subsidise travel and accommodation costs for those who need that. And this is also why I've been pushing for a very low cost (maybe free) accommodation option where we can house people who can't afford a hotel room. If you still think they want a fee pass because they only write code, snip Germán, let's make sure we understand each other. Koen talked about not wanting to have a different conference pack for people who pay 0, €100 or €250, so as not to undervalue people who have written 30,000 lines of code. What I'm saying is that no matter how much code you've written, you should not feel *entitled* to anything. You haven't *earned* anything off the GNOME Foundation. The foundation operates (or at least, should operate) as a social state - from each according to their means, to each according to their needs. If you're attending on your own and can afford to pay €100 as a conference fee, then do so - and you'll get a nice t-shirt mug for your trouble. If you're attending on behalf of your employer can expense the conference fee, pay the top amount (which is pretty cheap as conferences go). You also get the t-shirt mug, and attendance to a pros-only evening reception. That's all I'm saying, is that when it comes to the financial outlay security of the conference, I think there should be a registration fee, which should be waived generously. But the default option should definitely be pay the fee. I do prefer a more positive message for those contributors who can pay the fee instead speaking about two-class society which sound negative for those who can not afford it. Yes! The positive message is: You're helping GNOME and getting something that you wouldn't otherwise get! Like FOSDEM. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
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Koen: One last note, we want to avoid that people think of it as a 'two class society' or something as such: you pay nothing, you get in. You pay 250, you get pampered and VIP'ed. Even though maybe the non-payer has contributed 30.000 lines of code, and the payer none. There should be no concern of this. People who have this perception may just need to be reminded of the facts. Giving people extra swag, or a dinner or other amenities in *exchange*, or as an *incentive*, to giving a donation or paying a higher entrance fee in no way creates a class structure or gives people with t-shirts power over those who do not have them. If anything, such swag is a symbol of a person or organization's generosity. A $10 tshirt or a $20 dinner is a small gift in exchange for an individual who donates $100 or for an employee of a company who pays each of their employees tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of dollars/euros/etc. to work on GNOME and then pays a $250 GUADEC entrance fee per employee on top of that. As Dave says, events cost money and people should understand that doing things like giving gifts in exchange for donations helps to pay to make the event happen. Those people who donate lines of code who do not donate money are rewarded in other ways, such as with recognition, honor, and prestige within the community (and maybe even job offers or opportunities). We could also consider giving a separate t-shirt to significant GNOME volunteers regardless of whether they donate or not, as a separate reward if we want to provide such people with more recognition. Brian ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
[guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
Hi All,
The below terms conditions will be put on the guadec registration
site. These have been written by a Dutch lawyer. The registration
site is due to go up today (if we can get the DNS change worked out
that is).
Best,
Koen
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ddThe person using the ticket to gain entrance to the event venue and
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ddAny visitor./dd
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ddGUADEC 2010, July 26th-30th, 2010, including but not limited to the
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The GUADEC 2010 Festival tickets are issued subject to the terms and conditions
below. Please read the following Terms and Conditions carefully before
submitting the Registration Form.
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strongGENERAL/strong
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Confirmation or a booking or any payment by purchaser shall constitute
acceptance of these terms and conditions.
/pp
Registration is not complete until full payment has been received. Event
registrations will not be confirmed until the completed form and the correct
payment is received and processed by the organisation.
/pp
After successful registration purchaser will receive an email containing the
ticket.
/pp
It is the responsibility of the purchaser to check that the information
provided whilst booking is correct prior to payment as mistakes or omissions
cannot always be rectified.
/pp
strongTICKETS/strong
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Tickets are non-refundable.
/pp
In exceptional circumstances it may be necessary for reasons beyond the control
of the organisation to alter the content, venue, or the date and timing of the
event. To the extent permitted by law there will be no associated liability
whatsoever to the event organisers and hosts, the organisation or any
individuals affiliated with the event or organisation in any capacity.
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The organisation shall not be liable for any cancellation of the event due to
circumstances beyond its reasonable control including without limitation due to
any act of God, industrial action, fire, flood, storm or tempest, disease,
explosion, riot, civil commotion, earthquake, malicious damage or act of
terrorism.
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The organisation will provide on its event website - www.guadec.org - updates
of all events,
venues, venue changes and cancellations if any. It is the responsibility of the
purchaser to ascertain whether an event has been cancelled and the date and
time of any rearranged event. If an event is cancelled or rescheduled, the
organisation will use reasonable endeavours to notify purchasers of the
cancellation. Please note that the organisation cannot guarantee that
purchasers will be informed of such cancellation before the date of the event.
/pp
The purchaser is obliged, in case the ticket is not for personal use, to make
note of these terms conditions (or at least a link to these terms
conditions) to any person that is receiving the ticket with the purpose of
becoming a visitor. These terms conditions apply to all visitors, regardless
of whether they purchased the ticket themselves or not.
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The purchaser is responsible for any loss, theft or damage to the ticket.
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The organisation reserves the right to cancel ticket bookings that it
reasonably suspects to have been made fraudulently.
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Any information provided will be used to process transactions undertaken with
the event and for internal administration and analysis only. The organisation
does not sell, rent, trade or in any other way share the visitor's personal
information to third parties, unless required by law or court decision.
/pp
Email addresses will be used to send the ticket in digital form and make
important announcements regarding the event.
/pp
All personal data is managed in accordance with appropriate Dutch and European
data protection and freedom of information legislation.
/pp
Visitors consent to being filmed, photographed and recorded as members of the
audience. The resulting film footage, images and recordings may be used to
promote the event and its activities in print, in the media and on websites.
The organisation will endeavour to inform visitors prior to the commencement of
a presentation if filming
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 12:08 +0200, Koen Martens wrote: Hi All, The below terms conditions will be put on the guadec registration site. These have been written by a Dutch lawyer. The registration site is due to go up today (if we can get the DNS change worked out that is). Hi Koen, It would raise concerns from the community, because it would be the first time GUADEC has terms and conditions. Some comments below: [...] The purchaser is responsible for any loss, theft or damage to the ticket. /pp The organisation reserves the right to cancel ticket bookings that it reasonably suspects to have been made fraudulently. /pp What is the purpose of the ticket? For activities that involves a payment it looks fine. But for contributors who does not have any affiliation it is free of charge, so if they lost their ticket, why do they not request a new one? May be I missed something. [...] Visitors consent to being filmed, photographed and recorded as members of the audience. The resulting film footage, images and recordings may be used to promote the event and its activities in print, in the media and on websites. The organisation will endeavour to inform visitors prior to the commencement of a presentation if filming is to take place. This item seems contradictory with the following one: The unauthorised use of photographic and recording equipment is prohibited. GUADEC attendants like to take a lot of pictures. So, this statement may sound harsh, to say the least. The unauthorised use of laser pens and mobile phones in all of the venue auditoriums is prohibited. What is the purpose of this item? Several attendants works in the mobile industry, so prohibit the use of mobile phones is like prohibit the use of laptops in auditoriums. I do think we will receive complains for this item. Visitors shall indemnify the organisation from and against all costs, charges, claims, expenses, demands and liabilities suffered or incurred by the organisation as a result of any action or omission by the visitor (including in relation to any damage caused to the event venue or any property therein) and/or in connection with any breach by visitor of any of these terms and conditions. It seems everybody will have to contract an insurance to attend to GUADEC. Regards, -- Germán Póo-Caamaño Concepción - Chile http://www.gnome.org/~gpoo/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
Hi Dave, (i will shortly go into German's email as well) On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 01:40:17PM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Koen Martens wrote: The below terms conditions will be put on the guadec registration site. These have been written by a Dutch lawyer. The registration site is due to go up today (if we can get the DNS change worked out that is). Concerning the terms conditions... I think this may be the first time we will have had some. So bear in mind that my feedback comes with zero experience. Ok, i'd be happy to go without tc, if that is better for the Gnome foundation. I do need to know what's the policy regarding cancellation though. What if the venue burns down, swine-flu strikes again or whatever and we have to cancel? Does the Gnome foundation have adequate funds to reimburse those that chose the EUR 100 or EUR 250 levels (instead of the EUR 0 level)? Or is there adequate insurance? If not, i'll have to look into insurance for this risk. Again, this insistence on the ticket (The purchaser is responsible for any loss, theft or damage to the ticket.) doesn't feel appropriate for a conference. It's much better to use the person's identity as their ticket. No, it is not, actually. The ticket contains a barcode, with which we can handle quite a large volume of people arriving in a short time by scanning the barcode to hand out the badge. Doing this manually is tedious, error-prone and takes a long time. For comparison, here is OSCON's registration page: https://en.oreilly.com/oscon2010/public/register including human-readable cancellation policy: Cancellation and Substitution Policy If you must cancel for any reason you must notify us in writing by June 21, 2010, for a refund less a $100 processing fee. Cancellations received after June 21, 2010 are non-refundable. You may transfer your registration to another person by July 6, 2010 by providing authorization to us at conf...@oreilly.com. Confirmed and paid attendees who do not attend or who cancel after the deadline are liable for the entire fee. In the unlikely event of cancellation of the conference, the liability of O'Reilly Media, Inc. is limited to the return of paid registration fees. For questions about registration or assistance with any registration problems, please contact us at conf...@oreilly.com And they manage a registration page with no terms conditions, and no we are not liable for cancellation bit. Allright, I hope German can shed some more light on the cancellation bit, and how the Gnome foundation deals with this liability. I'll use something like the above on the ticket site then. Gr, Koen ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
Hi, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: The purchaser is responsible for any loss, theft or damage to the ticket. /pp The organisation reserves the right to cancel ticket bookings that it reasonably suspects to have been made fraudulently. /pp What is the purpose of the ticket? For activities that involves a payment it looks fine. But for contributors who does not have any affiliation it is free of charge, so if they lost their ticket, why do they not request a new one? May be I missed something. Free of charge? I had understood that the conference would be cheap, not free. We have in the past waived conference registration fees for some people, but there's a big difference between waived for some people and free for almost everyone. [...] Visitors consent to being filmed, photographed and recorded as members of the audience. The resulting film footage, images and recordings may be used to promote the event and its activities in print, in the media and on websites. The organisation will endeavour to inform visitors prior to the commencement of a presentation if filming is to take place. This item seems contradictory with the following one: Only if there is no authorised photographic recording equipment :) The unauthorised use of photographic and recording equipment is prohibited. GUADEC attendants like to take a lot of pictures. So, this statement may sound harsh, to say the least. I agree. The unauthorised use of laser pens and mobile phones in all of the venue auditoriums is prohibited. What is the purpose of this item? Please turn off your cellphone during presentations, and don't try to blind the presenter, I imagine. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 04:31:06PM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Free of charge? I had understood that the conference would be cheap, not free. We have in the past waived conference registration fees for some people, but there's a big difference between waived for some people and free for almost everyone. Whoa, full stop.. In our initial bid, we had a minimum entrance of EUR 15,-, but after comments from the board we took that out and made it a EUR 0,-. Which now resulted in these three levels: student/hobbyist EUR 0,- Normal EUR 100,- Professional EUR 250,- People can choose themselves, and we won't check if someone is a hobbyist or not :) The registration site will explain that the money is for the good of GUADEC and the Gnome foundation. I was really under the impression that we all were conscious of the above arrangement, and agreed with it. Gr, Koen ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
Op donderdag 08-04-2010 om 16:15 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Koen Martens: No, it is not, actually. The ticket contains a barcode, with which we can handle quite a large volume of people arriving in a short time by scanning the barcode to hand out the badge. Doing this manually is tedious, error-prone and takes a long time. Note that it is a very good idea to have an on-site registration desk. People WILL show up who haven't pre-registered (it happened to me last time, I simply forgot about it and I wasn't the only one). -- Reinout van Schouwen ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
Hi Koen, The unauthorised use of photographic and recording equipment is prohibited. What's unauthorised? If people aren't allowed to take pictures during presentations, you're going to have a gang of very pissed off geeks on your hands. The unauthorised use of laser pens and mobile phones in all of the venue auditoriums is prohibited. Same thing about mobile phones! regards, -- Reinout van Schouwen ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 16:15 +0200, Koen Martens wrote: Hi Dave, (i will shortly go into German's email as well) On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 01:40:17PM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Koen Martens wrote: The below terms conditions will be put on the guadec registration site. These have been written by a Dutch lawyer. The registration site is due to go up today (if we can get the DNS change worked out that is). Concerning the terms conditions... I think this may be the first time we will have had some. So bear in mind that my feedback comes with zero experience. Ok, i'd be happy to go without tc, if that is better for the Gnome foundation. It is natural to have concerns if this is the first time having terms and conditions. I do need to know what's the policy regarding cancellation though. What if the venue burns down, swine-flu strikes again or whatever and we have to cancel? Does the Gnome foundation have adequate funds to reimburse those that chose the EUR 100 or EUR 250 levels (instead of the EUR 0 level)? Or is there adequate insurance? If not, i'll have to look into insurance for this risk. For people who paid €100 or €250, we would only be reimbursing what they already paid plus the wire transfer cost. The same would happen for the training. However, I think you refer to the cancellation *during* the event, not before. As far as I remember, the insurance would cover the part related to the venue and it would interesting to know what else would cover. Anyway, I do not have any objection to this part of the terms and conditions. Given this is the first time having terms and conditions, may be a brief explanation of the purpose of this TC may help to avoid bigger concerns. Again, this insistence on the ticket (The purchaser is responsible for any loss, theft or damage to the ticket.) doesn't feel appropriate for a conference. It's much better to use the person's identity as their ticket. No, it is not, actually. The ticket contains a barcode, with which we can handle quite a large volume of people arriving in a short time by scanning the barcode to hand out the badge. Doing this manually is tedious, error-prone and takes a long time. I think it is a good idea, but it was not obvious in the text. May be a similar paragraph explaining the purpose would help to avoid misunderstandings. However, if somebody lost his or her ticket, it should not invalidate his or her participation in the conference. It may delay his or her registration once everybody were registered. It comes to my mind the GUADEC at Kristiansand, where at least 20 people (me included) received their luggage between three and four days after they arrived. So, it is not strange to think that somebody may have his or her ticket in his or her luggage. For comparison, here is OSCON's registration page: https://en.oreilly.com/oscon2010/public/register including human-readable cancellation policy: Cancellation and Substitution Policy If you must cancel for any reason you must notify us in writing by June 21, 2010, for a refund less a $100 processing fee. Cancellations received after June 21, 2010 are non-refundable. You may transfer your registration to another person by July 6, 2010 by providing authorization to us at conf...@oreilly.com. Confirmed and paid attendees who do not attend or who cancel after the deadline are liable for the entire fee. In the unlikely event of cancellation of the conference, the liability of O'Reilly Media, Inc. is limited to the return of paid registration fees. For questions about registration or assistance with any registration problems, please contact us at conf...@oreilly.com And they manage a registration page with no terms conditions, and no we are not liable for cancellation bit. Allright, I hope German can shed some more light on the cancellation bit, and how the Gnome foundation deals with this liability. This is another alternative, which looks shorter and clearer. I like the idea of the ticket (assuming it has a fallback for people who lost their ticket for any good reason), so If this alternative were chosen, the ticket idea should be explained somewhere there. Regards, -- Germán Póo-Caamaño Concepción - Chile http://www.gnome.org/~gpoo/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 16:19 +0200, Koen Martens wrote: On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 10:05:48AM -0400, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: [...] Regardless, some remarks to your questions: What is the purpose of the ticket? To speed up the welcoming process on day 1 of the conference. This is a good idea, as I said before. It should be clear the purpose for everyone. [...] Visitors consent to being filmed, photographed and recorded as members of the audience. The resulting film footage, images and recordings may be used to promote the event and its activities in print, in the media and on websites. The organisation will endeavour to inform visitors prior to the commencement of a presentation if filming is to take place. This item seems contradictory with the following one: The unauthorised use of photographic and recording equipment is prohibited. Not necesarilly. If one authorises everyone to use photographic and recording equipment, there is no unauthorised use.. Anyway, pedantic and irrelevant now that we run without tc. In that case, we could avoid this item. Because, it is expected that everyone takes pictures and this would never were applied. The unauthorised use of laser pens and mobile phones in all of the venue auditoriums is prohibited. What is the purpose of this item? Several attendants works in the mobile industry, so prohibit the use of mobile phones is like prohibit the use of laptops in auditoriums. I do think we will receive complains for this item. Ok, the purpose is to prevent a lecture hall full of ringing mobiles and people speaking into their phones thereby disrupting the presentation. May be it needs a better wording. For instance, something that includes that may interrupt a presentation. However, I think this is common sense so it could be avoided in order to make the text shorter. Any suggestion/action on this matter may be taken in the place and nobody will complain. Regards, -- Germán Póo-Caamaño Concepción - Chile http://www.gnome.org/~gpoo/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 16:48 +0200, Koen Martens wrote: On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 04:31:06PM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Free of charge? I had understood that the conference would be cheap, not free. We have in the past waived conference registration fees for some people, but there's a big difference between waived for some people and free for almost everyone. Whoa, full stop.. In our initial bid, we had a minimum entrance of EUR 15,-, but after comments from the board we took that out and made it a EUR 0,-. Which now resulted in these three levels: student/hobbyist EUR 0,- Normal EUR 100,- Professional EUR 250,- People can choose themselves, and we won't check if someone is a hobbyist or not :) The registration site will explain that the money is for the good of GUADEC and the Gnome foundation. I was really under the impression that we all were conscious of the above arrangement, and agreed with it. You got it right Koen. Regards, -- Germán Póo-Caamaño Concepción - Chile http://www.gnome.org/~gpoo/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
Koen/Germán Typically clauses that try to prevent people from taking unauthorized photographs or recordings are because the organizers want to own the production rights (and thus any profits) from any such photos or recordings of the event. I doubt that this is an issue at GUADEC. At a free conference, we should be promoting free licensing instead. I think we should clearly allow people to take any photos or recordings that they wish (as long as they are not being disruptive). If we were to have a requirement, it should be that any photographs or recordings distributed to the public be licensed under a reasonably free FSF or Creative Commons (or similar) license (I'd suggest one that allows commercial use, though attribution would be okay with me). I really do not like clauses that prevent people from doing reasonable things like making non-disruptive recordings. If we need a clause that informs people that they need to not be disruptive, whether by making recordings or otherwise, we should have a clause that says so clearly. This is unrelated to making recordings and I see no need to enmesh these topics together. Brian On 04/ 8/10 11:01 AM, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 16:19 +0200, Koen Martens wrote: On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 10:05:48AM -0400, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: The unauthorised use of photographic and recording equipment is prohibited. Not necesarilly. If one authorises everyone to use photographic and recording equipment, there is no unauthorised use.. Anyway, pedantic and irrelevant now that we run without tc. In that case, we could avoid this item. Because, it is expected that everyone takes pictures and this would never were applied. The unauthorised use of laser pens and mobile phones in all of the venue auditoriums is prohibited. What is the purpose of this item? Several attendants works in the mobile industry, so prohibit the use of mobile phones is like prohibit the use of laptops in auditoriums. I do think we will receive complains for this item. Ok, the purpose is to prevent a lecture hall full of ringing mobiles and people speaking into their phones thereby disrupting the presentation. May be it needs a better wording. For instance, something that includes that may interrupt a presentation. However, I think this is common sense so it could be avoided in order to make the text shorter. Any suggestion/action on this matter may be taken in the place and nobody will complain. Regards, ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
Koen: Koen Martens wrote: Whoa, full stop.. In our initial bid, we had a minimum entrance of EUR 15,-, but after comments from the board we took that out and made it a EUR 0,-. Which now resulted in these three levels: student/hobbyist EUR 0,- Normal EUR 100,- Professional EUR 250,- People can choose themselves, and we won't check if someone is a hobbyist or not :) The registration site will explain that the money is for the good of GUADEC and the Gnome foundation. I was really under the impression that we all were conscious of the above arrangement, and agreed with it. OK - apologies for the misunderstanding. I also think that we should make it a part of the registration process that we spend a minute to explain to each person about the fact that the GNOME Foundation is a charity and ask people to consider contributing. If this is not possible, or if people think this would be too pushy, then perhaps something more passive, like a poster that tells people the good news about the Foundation and asks people to consider approaching a particular volunteer to give a donation. With the packet of stuff that we give to people when they arrive, I think it should also include a brochure or some literature that explains the GNOME Foundation, explains what we do, and why donating money is good for the project. It would also be nice if we had some special swag that we could give to people who donate (either by paying the EUR 100 fee or by donating at the door). If we had a button or a tshirt, then people could advertise that they had donated money and possibly encourage others to also consider doing so. Brian ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
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Hi, Koen Martens wrote: It would also be nice if we had some special swag that we could give to people who donate (either by paying the EUR 100 fee or by donating at the door). If we had a button or a tshirt, then people could advertise that they had donated money and possibly encourage others to also consider doing so. How's swag normally organised? Is there a central repository of swag, or does it get produced locally? We now have a central source of t-shirts mugs possible, previously this wasn't the case. I think it makes sense to have packs for each payment level - in the past we have had an evening for professional participants only, and FOSDEM does very well out of their model which is it's free, but if you want to get a t-shirt, you have to donate €25, if you want to get a book magazine subscription as well, you donate €50. The €100 price point is a bit high for just a t-shirt, but if we can figure out some way to make it worthwhile for the people paying then I think we should take that opportunity. Aside from a t-shirt a USB key, what do we have to give? Access to some reception? A special badge? The Friends of GNOME mug? For professional attendees, we should make an effort to have something even more extra - a DVD with presentations sent out afterwards or something. Perhaps we could even work with Miro before the conference to have a DVD of GNOME presentations given as part of the registration pack? These are just ideas, but the core principle is that if you're coming to the conference, you shouldn't get something for nothing - we should make an effort to have some kind of value proposition for attendees to encourage the higher levels where they're appropriate. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
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Dave: How's swag normally organised? Is there a central repository of swag, or does it get produced locally? We now have a central source of t-shirts mugs possible, previously this wasn't the case. Yes, also Hackerthreads has clothing. Perhaps we could just give people a coupon or something that allows them to get a tshirt which is paid by the money that they provide. Or we could just order the swag they want for them online as a part of the process of registering and have it mailed to them. I think it makes sense to have packs for each payment level - in the past we have had an evening for professional participants only, and FOSDEM does very well out of their model which is it's free, but if you want to get a t-shirt, you have to donate €25, if you want to get a book magazine subscription as well, you donate €50. The €100 price point is a bit high for just a t-shirt, but if we can figure out some way to make it worthwhile for the people paying then I think we should take that opportunity. +1. I think this is a great idea. It might even be better to have more donation levels with different swag. For $25 you get a tshirt, for $50 you get a Hackerthreads polo shirt, for $100 you also get a mug, etc. Also, it would be nice to give some special swag to volunteers who help with the event. At many events, volunteers get a different tshirt (e.g. a different color). For professional attendees, we should make an effort to have something even more extra - a DVD with presentations sent out afterwards or something. Perhaps we could even work with Miro before the conference to have a DVD of GNOME presentations given as part of the registration pack? +1. These are just ideas, but the core principle is that if you're coming to the conference, you shouldn't get something for nothing - we should make an effort to have some kind of value proposition for attendees to encourage the higher levels where they're appropriate. Agreed. Brian ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
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Hi, Op donderdag 08-04-2010 om 15:51 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Brian Cameron: +1. I think this is a great idea. It might even be better to have more donation levels with different swag. For $25 you get a tshirt, for $50 you get a Hackerthreads polo shirt, for $100 you also get a mug, etc. The prices would be in €uro. ;) I agree with the idea but, if at all possible, I would prefer that our swag is made out of environmentally friendly materials. Especially the production of (regular) cotton for t-shirts requires huge amounts of pesticides and water. I don't believe that aligns well with the spirit of Free software. /treehugger These are just ideas, but the core principle is that if you're coming to the conference, you shouldn't get something for nothing - we should make an effort to have some kind of value proposition for attendees to encourage the higher levels where they're appropriate. Certainly, but even if people register for the free-of-charge ticket, of course there should still be a good supply of swag for them to buy on the spot! regards, -- Reinout van Schouwen ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Terms and conditions for registration
Hi, Reinout van Schouwen wrote: These are just ideas, but the core principle is that if you're coming to the conference, you shouldn't get something for nothing - we should make an effort to have some kind of value proposition for attendees to encourage the higher levels where they're appropriate. Certainly, but even if people register for the free-of-charge ticket, of course there should still be a good supply of swag for them to buy on the spot! But let's make sure that registered participants get something special that you can't buy... Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
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On 08/04/2010 23:20, Calum Benson wrote: I have to admit, anything I get on a CD/DVD goes straight in the bin, and anything on a USB stick gets immediately deleted. But give me some information on a few sheets of paper and I'll happily read it all. And recycle it afterwards, btw :) (And I've said it before, but I'll say it again this year-- a conference schedule on paper is infinitely more useful than a PDF version... (Or a version on a website, even if that's always right up-to-date, which it never is.) Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Interaction Designer Oracle Corporation, Ireland mailto:calum.benson at oracle.com Solaris Desktop Group http://blogs.sun.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Oracle Corp. ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
