Re: New logo and website design proposal

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

On 2015-09-15 16:31, Christopher Allan Webber wrote:

Luis Felipe López Acevedo writes:


Hello list,

As part of the Guile project I imagine, I'd like to propose these 
visual

modifications for the logo and the website.

Logo
https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/guile-logo-proposal-2015-06-16.png

Website mockup (some rough sketches here)
https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/website-mockup-2015-09-15.png

My intention with this proposal is, hopefully, to modernize the image 
of

the project a bit and make it more attractive to potential users.


Your comments are very welcomed,


First of all, I think this looks *amazing*!  Will it keep these kind of
nice black and white drawings, or will the final result have a more
refined look?  Either way, I like the childrens' book type
illustrations.  (My request would be that if they do become colored, 
the

two children-programmers whose bodies are somewhat visible have
different skin tones for diversity reasons.  I think they look gender
ambiguous enough because of the suits.)  Honestly I think the rough
black and white versions look very nice as-is though, and I am not sure
how to color them without a kind of watercolor look.  Very "Where the
Wild Things Are" meets robots.  A good combination!



Ah, yes, the drawings are supposed to be just black and white. 
Personally, I also like the rough drawings as they are right now, but I 
will try to clean them or replace them if people don't like them.


Also, diversity, of course... That and simplicity are the reasons for 
using suits.



Second, a friend of mine pointed out a couple of things:

 - The "Guile is an extension language platform" section gives the
   impression maybe overly that it's an extension language far and 
above

   being an independent language.  Guile is certainly optimized for
   this, especially for legacy reasons, but more and more Guile
   applications seem to be written entirely within Guile itself.  Maybe
   the text could be something like:

 "Guile contains a neat and highly optimized virtual machine.
 It can be used out of the box to write programs in Scheme, or
 can easily be integrated with C and C++ programs.

 Guile is the GNU Ubiquitous Intelligent Language for Extensions,
 and the official extension language of the GNU project."

   That's a bit more verbose than the present text; I wonder if it can
   be cleaned up?




I'll let experts discuss this one.



 - It may be nice to show code examples.  Lisp is often interpreted as
   being hard to read; I have found that a nice theme and
   rainbow-parentheses has reduced that fear for some users.  Here's
   some examples of screenshots I have taken of my own emacs with
   various lisps... none of them are perfect, and this isn't scheme
   code, but to get the general idea:

 http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs_lisp_setup.png
   ^- Probably could do without the highlighting?

 http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs-rainbow-all-the-things.png
   ^- Probably could do without the rainbow-delimeters?

 http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs_wombat.png
   ^- Something different, but also a nice theme

   I'm not 100% confident on this; showing "real code" might actually
   clutter things or make things more intimidating.  The present
   design I think is fairly intimidation-free.



I was going to include a section with code, but didn't know what kind of 
code to include. Something short, meaningful for beginners, and enough 
to see the syntax... I don't know. However, I don't mind if the code is 
saved for the manuals and tutorials.



Anyway, what do you think?

I love the designs... keep on rocking!  I can't wait to see this
deployed!

 - Chris


Thank you very much, Cris. Glad you like them :)

--
Luis Felipe López Acevedo
http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/

Re: New logo and website design proposal

[Nala Ginrut]

Really cool！my two cents
On 2015-09-15 16:05, David Pirotte wrote:

> Hi Luis,
>
> Cool work, many thanks!
>
> I'll read carefully and if I feel like I should, I'll provide some
> more [personal]
> feedback, but as an overall and quick look, it really is nice.
>
>
Glad you like it, David, thanks :)

Website mockup (some rough sketches here)
>>
>> https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/website-mockup-2015-09-15.png
>>
>
> My intention with this proposal is, hopefully, to modernize the image of
>> the project a bit and make it more attractive to potential users.
>>
>
> This is definitely going to impact potential users, I think, thanks
> for doing this!
>
> Do you have the site source code somewhere we could look at it and maybe
> patch?
>
>
No code yet, the mock-up is an SVG drawing. I'm waiting for feedback on the
general design first before implementing anything.

Thanks for the feedback, David :)


-- 
Luis Felipe López Acevedo
http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/

Re: New logo and website design proposal

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

On 2015-09-15 14:43, Mathieu Lirzin wrote:

Luis Felipe López Acevedo  writes:


Hello list,

As part of the Guile project I imagine, I'd like to propose these
visual modifications for the logo and the website.

Logo
https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/guile-logo-proposal-2015-06-16.png

Website mockup (some rough sketches here)
https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/website-mockup-2015-09-15.png

My intention with this proposal is, hopefully, to modernize the image
of the project a bit and make it more attractive to potential users.


Your comments are very welcomed,


Amazing! If you need help on the SXML part I'm willing to help.



Thanks Mathieu, and your help is very welcomed. I'll let you know if 
there is green light :)



--
Luis Felipe López Acevedo
http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/

Re: New logo and website design proposal

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

On 2015-09-15 16:05, David Pirotte wrote:

Hi Luis,

Cool work, many thanks!

I'll read carefully and if I feel like I should, I'll provide some
more [personal]
feedback, but as an overall and quick look, it really is nice.



Glad you like it, David, thanks :)


Website mockup (some rough sketches here)
https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/website-mockup-2015-09-15.png


My intention with this proposal is, hopefully, to modernize the image 
of

the project a bit and make it more attractive to potential users.


This is definitely going to impact potential users, I think, thanks
for doing this!

Do you have the site source code somewhere we could look at it and 
maybe patch?




No code yet, the mock-up is an SVG drawing. I'm waiting for feedback on 
the general design first before implementing anything.


Thanks for the feedback, David :)


--
Luis Felipe López Acevedo
http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/

Re: New logo and website design proposal

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Luis Felipe López Acevedo writes:

> Hello list,
>
> As part of the Guile project I imagine, I'd like to propose these visual 
> modifications for the logo and the website.
>
> Logo
> https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/guile-logo-proposal-2015-06-16.png
>
> Website mockup (some rough sketches here)
> https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/website-mockup-2015-09-15.png
>
> My intention with this proposal is, hopefully, to modernize the image of 
> the project a bit and make it more attractive to potential users.
>
>
> Your comments are very welcomed,

First of all, I think this looks *amazing*!  Will it keep these kind of
nice black and white drawings, or will the final result have a more
refined look?  Either way, I like the childrens' book type
illustrations.  (My request would be that if they do become colored, the
two children-programmers whose bodies are somewhat visible have
different skin tones for diversity reasons.  I think they look gender
ambiguous enough because of the suits.)  Honestly I think the rough
black and white versions look very nice as-is though, and I am not sure
how to color them without a kind of watercolor look.  Very "Where the
Wild Things Are" meets robots.  A good combination!

Second, a friend of mine pointed out a couple of things:

 - The "Guile is an extension language platform" section gives the
   impression maybe overly that it's an extension language far and above
   being an independent language.  Guile is certainly optimized for
   this, especially for legacy reasons, but more and more Guile
   applications seem to be written entirely within Guile itself.  Maybe
   the text could be something like:

 "Guile contains a neat and highly optimized virtual machine.
 It can be used out of the box to write programs in Scheme, or
 can easily be integrated with C and C++ programs.

 Guile is the GNU Ubiquitous Intelligent Language for Extensions,
 and the official extension language of the GNU project."
   
   That's a bit more verbose than the present text; I wonder if it can
   be cleaned up?

 - It may be nice to show code examples.  Lisp is often interpreted as
   being hard to read; I have found that a nice theme and
   rainbow-parentheses has reduced that fear for some users.  Here's
   some examples of screenshots I have taken of my own emacs with
   various lisps... none of them are perfect, and this isn't scheme
   code, but to get the general idea:

 http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs_lisp_setup.png
   ^- Probably could do without the highlighting?

 http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs-rainbow-all-the-things.png
   ^- Probably could do without the rainbow-delimeters?

 http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs_wombat.png
   ^- Something different, but also a nice theme

   I'm not 100% confident on this; showing "real code" might actually
   clutter things or make things more intimidating.  The present
   design I think is fairly intimidation-free.

Anyway, what do you think?

I love the designs... keep on rocking!  I can't wait to see this
deployed!

 - Chris

New logo and website design proposal

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

Hello list,

As part of the Guile project I imagine, I'd like to propose these visual 
modifications for the logo and the website.


Logo
https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/guile-logo-proposal-2015-06-16.png

Website mockup (some rough sketches here)
https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/website-mockup-2015-09-15.png

My intention with this proposal is, hopefully, to modernize the image of 
the project a bit and make it more attractive to potential users.



Your comments are very welcomed,

--
Luis Felipe López Acevedo
http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/

Re: New logo and website design proposal

[Mathieu Lirzin]

Luis Felipe López Acevedo  writes:

> Hello list,
>
> As part of the Guile project I imagine, I'd like to propose these
> visual modifications for the logo and the website.
>
> Logo
> https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/guile-logo-proposal-2015-06-16.png
>
> Website mockup (some rough sketches here)
> https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/website-mockup-2015-09-15.png
>
> My intention with this proposal is, hopefully, to modernize the image
> of the project a bit and make it more attractive to potential users.
>
>
> Your comments are very welcomed,

Amazing! If you need help on the SXML part I'm willing to help.

--
Mathieu Lirzin

Re: New logo and website design proposal

[David Pirotte]

Hi Luis,

Cool work, many thanks!

I'll read carefully and if I feel like I should, I'll provide some more 
[personal]
feedback, but as an overall and quick look, it really is nice.

> Logo
> https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/guile-logo-proposal-2015-06-16.png

I would prefer the capital G of guile to be like the one of GNU just below the 
logo,
what do others think?  I'm not a designer though, so just a personnal 'feeling'.

If only 1 has to be selected, I'd keep the red based, it's the more 'powerful'
set, imo.

> Website mockup (some rough sketches here)
> https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/website-mockup-2015-09-15.png

> My intention with this proposal is, hopefully, to modernize the image of 
> the project a bit and make it more attractive to potential users.

This is definitely going to impact potential users, I think, thanks for doing 
this!

Do you have the site source code somewhere we could look at it and maybe patch?

Thanks again,
Cheers,
David


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