Re: Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive

2024-03-19 Thread Ian Eure



Simon Tournier  writes:


Hi,

On lun., 18 mars 2024 at 12:38, Ian Eure  
wrote:


They appear to be violating free software licenses on large 
scale. 
They are in violation of SWH’s own positions.


[...]


[1]: https://arxiv.org/html/2402.19173v1
[2]: 
https://huggingface.co/spaces/HuggingFaceH4/starchat2-playground

[3]: https://huggingface.co/datasets/bigcode/the-stack-v2
[4]: https://github.com/bigcode-project/opt-out-v2/issues


Please note that Software Heritage folks are not co-author of 
all that;
or I misread.  Do not take me wrong, this is not an attempt to 
escape

but a query for waiting the feedback of SWH.



Shit rolls downhill.  It’s the least surprising thing in the world 
to find that an "AI" company is violating licenses, because the 
entire technology is based on infringement at a massive scale. 
SWH’s partnership with, and promotion of, both the company and its 
license-violating model, in violation of their *own stated 
principles*, raises very legitimate questions.


There are multpile overlapping concerns here; personal, 
organizational, legal, ethical, and technical.


From a personal, legal standpoint, HuggingFace is almost certainly 
in violation of my code’s licenses.  I will, therefore, work to 
remove my code from their models.  From a personal, ethical 
standpoint, I believe that SWH has proven themselves untrustworthy 
by enabling *and promoting* this infringement in violation of 
their own stated policies, and will work to remove my code from 
their archive.  Personally, I cannot extend them the benefit of 
the doubt on this.  They blew it.


From an organizational ethical standpoint, Guix is IMO on the 
right track by waiting on SWH (and perhaps pressuring them to fix 
things).  From an organizational, technical perspective, I would 
like to see concrete measures to support my (and hundreds of 
others’) personal, ethical desires to exclude software from SWH, 
and by extension, HuggingFace’s models.



As Ludo said, SWH folks are, by the way, also long time Free 
Software

activists.



In my view, this is not to their credit.  I’d expect people 
familiar with Free Software to be *more* sensitive to licensing 
concerns, thus less likely to partner with a company likely to 
violate them.



PS: Thanks for the detailed explanations.  I will provide my 
reading

later, after some concerns will be separated, eventually.


You’re very welcome.

Thanks,

 — Ian



Re: Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive

2024-03-19 Thread Simon Tournier
Hi,

On lun., 18 mars 2024 at 12:38, Ian Eure  wrote:

> They appear to be violating free software licenses on large scale. 
> They are in violation of SWH’s own positions.

[...]

> [1]: https://arxiv.org/html/2402.19173v1
> [2]: 
> https://huggingface.co/spaces/HuggingFaceH4/starchat2-playground
> [3]: https://huggingface.co/datasets/bigcode/the-stack-v2
> [4]: https://github.com/bigcode-project/opt-out-v2/issues

Please note that Software Heritage folks are not co-author of all that;
or I misread.  Do not take me wrong, this is not an attempt to escape
but a query for waiting the feedback of SWH.

As Ludo said, SWH folks are, by the way, also long time Free Software
activists.  For the record, the quality of 10 Years of Guix [1] videos
is the result of tireless work (for free!) by a Debian video team member
(also working for SWH) and one of SWH co-founder had been Debian project
leader.  Let the benefit of the doubt while waiting.

1: https://10years.guix.gnu.org

Cheers,
simon

PS: Thanks for the detailed explanations.  I will provide my reading
later, after some concerns will be separated, eventually.



Re: rewriting history; Was: Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive

2024-03-19 Thread Attila Lendvai
> not an expert in guix internals) the only reason we care about
> identity is that it's part of git commits.


identities are deeply intertwined with trust (our best predictor of future 
behavior is past behavior). and how trust is facilitated by the tools and 
processes (including the social "technology") can make or break any group 
effort.

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