Re: Add Microsoft Cascadia Code font?

[Mark H Weaver]

Hi,

Leo Prikler  writes:

> Am Sonntag, den 10.01.2021, 07:28 -0500 schrieb Julien Lepiller:
>> I might be wrong, but I thought fonts were considered non-functional
>> data. If that's the case, isn't cc-by-nc-nd acceptable?
>
> Not according to the FSDG:
>> [Non-functional data] can be included in a free system distribution
>> as long as its license gives you permission to copy and redistribute,
>> both for commercial and non-commercial purposes.
> IIUC CC BY-ND would be covered if we indeed consider fonts to be non-
> functional data, but not CC BY-NC and certainly not CC BY-NC-ND.

Also, fonts are specifically listed as an example of functional data
according to the FSDG:

>>> License Rules
>>>
>>> “Information for practical use” includes software, documentation, fonts,
>>> and other data that has direct functional applications.  It does not
>>> include artistic works that have an aesthetic (rather than functional)
>>> purpose, or statements of opinion or judgment.
>>>
>>> All information for practical use in a free distribution must be
>>> available in source form.  (“Source” means the form of the information
>>> that is preferred for making changes to it.)
>>>
>>> The information, and the source, must be provided under an
>>> appropriate free license.  [...]



 Regards,
   Mark

Re: Add Microsoft Cascadia Code font?

[Julien Lepiller]

Le 10 janvier 2021 08:09:03 GMT-05:00, Leo Prikler 
 a écrit :
>Hi Julien,
>
>Am Sonntag, den 10.01.2021, 07:28 -0500 schrieb Julien Lepiller:
>> I might be wrong, but I thought fonts were considered non-functional
>> data. If that's the case, isn't cc-by-nc-nd acceptable?
>
>Not according to the FSDG:
>> [Non-functional data] can be included in a free system distribution
>> as long as its license gives you permission to copy and redistribute,
>> both for commercial and non-commercial purposes.
>IIUC CC BY-ND would be covered if we indeed consider fonts to be non-
>functional data, but not CC BY-NC and certainly not CC BY-NC-ND.
>

I see, thanks for correcting me!

Re: Add Microsoft Cascadia Code font?

[Leo Prikler]

Hi Julien,

Am Sonntag, den 10.01.2021, 07:28 -0500 schrieb Julien Lepiller:
> I might be wrong, but I thought fonts were considered non-functional
> data. If that's the case, isn't cc-by-nc-nd acceptable?

Not according to the FSDG:
> [Non-functional data] can be included in a free system distribution
> as long as its license gives you permission to copy and redistribute,
> both for commercial and non-commercial purposes.
IIUC CC BY-ND would be covered if we indeed consider fonts to be non-
functional data, but not CC BY-NC and certainly not CC BY-NC-ND.

It goes on to list a hypothetical example of a game map, which is
somewhat ironic, considering that games more often disqualify
themselves for the FSDG through the use of entirely non-free assets or
assets rather than being GPL-incompatible through the use of assets,
that don't allow derivative work.  Of course, the former is a subset of
the latter, but the point I'm trying to make here, is that the latter
is sadly not even a concern for many (aspiring) game devs out there. 
It also reminds me, that I have yet to code up a fully GPL/FSDG-
compatible game myself – I'll get there some day, I promise.

TL;DR: Non-functional data is fine if it is commercially verbatim-
copyable.

Regards,
Leo

Re: Add Microsoft Cascadia Code font?

[yasu]

Well, let me know if that's the case!  After all, my submission is
almost identical as the existing packages such as font-ibm-plex and
font-inconsolata?
I would prefer not to "fork" as another repository if I can avoid it!
-Yasu
On Sun, 2021-01-10 at 07:28 -0500, Julien Lepiller wrote:
> I might be wrong, but I thought fonts were considered non-functional
> data. If that's the case, isn't cc-by-nc-nd acceptable?
> 
> Le 10 janvier 2021 05:38:16 GMT-05:00, Leo Prikler <
> leo.prik...@student.tugraz.at> a écrit :
> > Hi Yasu,
> > 
> > I don't think it'll be so simple.  It appears, that nerd-fonts
> > already
> > includes – or at least has the potential to include – some non-free
> > glyphs, which would in turn then be part of Cascadia.  An instance
> > would be pomicons [1], which are licensed as CC BY-NC-ND.  A
> > reviewer
> > would first have to verify, that Cascadia is indeed wholly covered
> > under the OFL or at least under a set of free licenses.
> > 
> > Yes, it sucks having to put that much effort into packaging a font,
> > but
> > if you just want to have a workable font for programming, there are
> > probably better solutions than Cascadia, some of which are already
> > packaged in Guix – e.g. font-fira-code.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Leo
> > 
> > [1] https://github.com/gabrielelana/pomicons
> > 
> > Am Sonntag, den 10.01.2021, 19:11 +0900 schrieb Yasuaki Kudo:
> > > Thank you for your comments!
> > > 
> > > Because I don't have a lot of time, is it ok to just re-format
> > > the
> > > original submission, get it committed with the comment that the
> > > package needs to be compiled rather than copied, when someone (or
> > > I)
> > > wants to so properly?
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Yasu
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > On Jan 10, 2021, at 18:16, Leo Prikler <
> > > > leo.prik...@student.tugraz.at> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Hello Vincent,
> > > > 
> > > > there is no .tar of the fonts however, that's a source tarball
> > > > generated by github.  To be fair, one should probably build
> > > > this
> > > > font
> > > > (and other fonts) from source instead.  In particular, we might
> > > > want to
> > > > package nerd-fonts[1] first, since Cascadia appears to be an
> > > > iteration
> > > > of it.
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Leo
> > > > 
> > > > [1] https://github.com/ryanoasis/nerd-fonts
> > > > 
> > > > 

Re: Add Microsoft Cascadia Code font?

[Julien Lepiller]

I might be wrong, but I thought fonts were considered non-functional data. If 
that's the case, isn't cc-by-nc-nd acceptable?

Le 10 janvier 2021 05:38:16 GMT-05:00, Leo Prikler 
 a écrit :
>Hi Yasu,
>
>I don't think it'll be so simple.  It appears, that nerd-fonts already
>includes – or at least has the potential to include – some non-free
>glyphs, which would in turn then be part of Cascadia.  An instance
>would be pomicons [1], which are licensed as CC BY-NC-ND.  A reviewer
>would first have to verify, that Cascadia is indeed wholly covered
>under the OFL or at least under a set of free licenses.
>
>Yes, it sucks having to put that much effort into packaging a font, but
>if you just want to have a workable font for programming, there are
>probably better solutions than Cascadia, some of which are already
>packaged in Guix – e.g. font-fira-code.
>
>Regards,
>Leo
>
>[1] https://github.com/gabrielelana/pomicons
>
>Am Sonntag, den 10.01.2021, 19:11 +0900 schrieb Yasuaki Kudo:
>> Thank you for your comments!
>> 
>> Because I don't have a lot of time, is it ok to just re-format the
>> original submission, get it committed with the comment that the
>> package needs to be compiled rather than copied, when someone (or I)
>> wants to so properly?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Yasu
>> 
>> 
>> > On Jan 10, 2021, at 18:16, Leo Prikler <
>> > leo.prik...@student.tugraz.at> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hello Vincent,
>> > 
>> > there is no .tar of the fonts however, that's a source tarball
>> > generated by github.  To be fair, one should probably build this
>> > font
>> > (and other fonts) from source instead.  In particular, we might
>> > want to
>> > package nerd-fonts[1] first, since Cascadia appears to be an
>> > iteration
>> > of it.
>> > 
>> > Regards,
>> > Leo
>> > 
>> > [1] https://github.com/ryanoasis/nerd-fonts
>> > 
>> > 

Re: Add Microsoft Cascadia Code font?

[yasu]

I created a 'low-standard-guix' repository and moved the submitted
package there, for now :-)

https://github.com/yugawara/low-standard-guix/blob/master/README.md

Again, when I get time, let me see if I can properly package Cascadia
Code fonts!

Cheers,
Yasu



On Sun, 2021-01-10 at 19:56 +0900, Yasuaki Kudo wrote:
> Hi Leo,
> 
> Understood, and this level of scrutiny is actually an encouraging
> sign that Guix has standards! 
> 
> I am happy enough to have it this way for my personal use for
> now.  Later, when I have more time, let me revisit.   
> 
> I have not experimented with this yet but I also understand I can
> create a separate repository as well.   Maybe that will also do
> 
> Regards,
> Yasu
> 
> > On Jan 10, 2021, at 19:38, Leo Prikler <
> > leo.prik...@student.tugraz.at> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Yasu,
> > 
> > I don't think it'll be so simple.  It appears, that nerd-fonts
> > already
> > includes – or at least has the potential to include – some non-free
> > glyphs, which would in turn then be part of Cascadia.  An instance
> > would be pomicons [1], which are licensed as CC BY-NC-ND.  A
> > reviewer
> > would first have to verify, that Cascadia is indeed wholly covered
> > under the OFL or at least under a set of free licenses.
> > 
> > Yes, it sucks having to put that much effort into packaging a font,
> > but
> > if you just want to have a workable font for programming, there are
> > probably better solutions than Cascadia, some of which are already
> > packaged in Guix – e.g. font-fira-code.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Leo
> > 
> > [1] https://github.com/gabrielelana/pomicons
> > 
> > Am Sonntag, den 10.01.2021, 19:11 +0900 schrieb Yasuaki Kudo:
> > > Thank you for your comments!
> > > 
> > > Because I don't have a lot of time, is it ok to just re-format
> > > the
> > > original submission, get it committed with the comment that the
> > > package needs to be compiled rather than copied, when someone (or
> > > I)
> > > wants to so properly?
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Yasu
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > On Jan 10, 2021, at 18:16, Leo Prikler <
> > > > leo.prik...@student.tugraz.at> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Hello Vincent,
> > > > 
> > > > there is no .tar of the fonts however, that's a source tarball
> > > > generated by github.  To be fair, one should probably build
> > > > this
> > > > font
> > > > (and other fonts) from source instead.  In particular, we might
> > > > want to
> > > > package nerd-fonts[1] first, since Cascadia appears to be an
> > > > iteration
> > > > of it.
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Leo
> > > > 
> > > > [1] https://github.com/ryanoasis/nerd-fonts
> > > > 
> > > > 

Re: Add Microsoft Cascadia Code font?

[Yasuaki Kudo]

Hi Leo,

Understood, and this level of scrutiny is actually an encouraging sign that 
Guix has standards! 

I am happy enough to have it this way for my personal use for now.  Later, when 
I have more time, let me revisit.   

I have not experimented with this yet but I also understand I can create a 
separate repository as well.   Maybe that will also do

Regards,
Yasu

> On Jan 10, 2021, at 19:38, Leo Prikler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Yasu,
> 
> I don't think it'll be so simple.  It appears, that nerd-fonts already
> includes – or at least has the potential to include – some non-free
> glyphs, which would in turn then be part of Cascadia.  An instance
> would be pomicons [1], which are licensed as CC BY-NC-ND.  A reviewer
> would first have to verify, that Cascadia is indeed wholly covered
> under the OFL or at least under a set of free licenses.
> 
> Yes, it sucks having to put that much effort into packaging a font, but
> if you just want to have a workable font for programming, there are
> probably better solutions than Cascadia, some of which are already
> packaged in Guix – e.g. font-fira-code.
> 
> Regards,
> Leo
> 
> [1] https://github.com/gabrielelana/pomicons
> 
> Am Sonntag, den 10.01.2021, 19:11 +0900 schrieb Yasuaki Kudo:
>> Thank you for your comments!
>> 
>> Because I don't have a lot of time, is it ok to just re-format the
>> original submission, get it committed with the comment that the
>> package needs to be compiled rather than copied, when someone (or I)
>> wants to so properly?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Yasu
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2021, at 18:16, Leo Prikler <
>>> leo.prik...@student.tugraz.at> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Vincent,
>>> 
>>> there is no .tar of the fonts however, that's a source tarball
>>> generated by github.  To be fair, one should probably build this
>>> font
>>> (and other fonts) from source instead.  In particular, we might
>>> want to
>>> package nerd-fonts[1] first, since Cascadia appears to be an
>>> iteration
>>> of it.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Leo
>>> 
>>> [1] https://github.com/ryanoasis/nerd-fonts
>>> 
>>> 
> 

Re: Add Microsoft Cascadia Code font?

[Leo Prikler]

Hi Yasu,

I don't think it'll be so simple.  It appears, that nerd-fonts already
includes – or at least has the potential to include – some non-free
glyphs, which would in turn then be part of Cascadia.  An instance
would be pomicons [1], which are licensed as CC BY-NC-ND.  A reviewer
would first have to verify, that Cascadia is indeed wholly covered
under the OFL or at least under a set of free licenses.

Yes, it sucks having to put that much effort into packaging a font, but
if you just want to have a workable font for programming, there are
probably better solutions than Cascadia, some of which are already
packaged in Guix – e.g. font-fira-code.

Regards,
Leo

[1] https://github.com/gabrielelana/pomicons

Am Sonntag, den 10.01.2021, 19:11 +0900 schrieb Yasuaki Kudo:
> Thank you for your comments!
> 
> Because I don't have a lot of time, is it ok to just re-format the
> original submission, get it committed with the comment that the
> package needs to be compiled rather than copied, when someone (or I)
> wants to so properly?
> 
> Cheers,
> Yasu
> 
> 
> > On Jan 10, 2021, at 18:16, Leo Prikler <
> > leo.prik...@student.tugraz.at> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Vincent,
> > 
> > there is no .tar of the fonts however, that's a source tarball
> > generated by github.  To be fair, one should probably build this
> > font
> > (and other fonts) from source instead.  In particular, we might
> > want to
> > package nerd-fonts[1] first, since Cascadia appears to be an
> > iteration
> > of it.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Leo
> > 
> > [1] https://github.com/ryanoasis/nerd-fonts
> > 
> > 

Re: Add Microsoft Cascadia Code font?

[Yasuaki Kudo]

Thank you for your comments!

Because I don't have a lot of time, is it ok to just re-format the original 
submission, get it committed with the comment that the package needs to be 
compiled rather than copied, when someone (or I) wants to so properly?

Cheers,
Yasu


> On Jan 10, 2021, at 18:16, Leo Prikler  wrote:
> 
> Hello Vincent,
> 
> there is no .tar of the fonts however, that's a source tarball
> generated by github.  To be fair, one should probably build this font
> (and other fonts) from source instead.  In particular, we might want to
> package nerd-fonts[1] first, since Cascadia appears to be an iteration
> of it.
> 
> Regards,
> Leo
> 
> [1] https://github.com/ryanoasis/nerd-fonts
> 
> 

Re: Add Microsoft Cascadia Code font?

[Vincent Legoll]

Hello,

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:16 AM Leo Prikler
 wrote:
> there is no .tar of the fonts however, that's a source tarball
> generated by github.  To be fair, one should probably build this font
> (and other fonts) from source instead.  In particular, we might want to
> package nerd-fonts[1] first, since Cascadia appears to be an iteration
> of it.

Yes you're right, I did not look at the submitted scm hard enough to
see it.

Sorry for the noise.

-- 
Vincent Legoll

Re: Add Microsoft Cascadia Code font?

[Leo Prikler]

Hello Vincent,

there is no .tar of the fonts however, that's a source tarball
generated by github.  To be fair, one should probably build this font
(and other fonts) from source instead.  In particular, we might want to
package nerd-fonts[1] first, since Cascadia appears to be an iteration
of it.

Regards,
Leo

[1] https://github.com/ryanoasis/nerd-fonts

Re: Add Microsoft Cascadia Code font?

[Vincent Legoll]

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 9:46 AM Vincent Legoll 
wrote:

> * I've not checked the difference size (nor that it matters) between zip
> and tar.gz, you may want to use the smallest one to minimize download.
>

I just did, and the tgz wins: 3.1 MB vs 5.7 MB

-- 
Vincent Legoll

Re: Add Microsoft Cascadia Code font?

[Vincent Legoll]

Hello,

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 9:04 AM yasu  wrote:

> Attached is my Guix package submission of Microsoft Cascadia Code
> fonts.
>
> This is my very first attempt to make a Guix package contribution and I
> did this in less than 30 minutes, copying the package descriptions of
> IBM Plex fonts and modifying a few things.   I dont' know what
> protocols I may have missed 
>
> Would you please let me know how to proceed from here?
>

LGTM

small nitpicks:

* 80 columns (you can auto-format the code with etc/indent-code.el, this
is documented here:
https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Formatting-Code.html)

* I've not checked the difference size (nor that it matters) between zip
and tar.gz, you may want to use the smallest one to minimize download.

Thanks

-- 
Vincent Legoll

Add Microsoft Cascadia Code font?

[yasu]

Hello Guix Development,

Attached is my Guix package submission of Microsoft Cascadia Code
fonts.

This is my very first attempt to make a Guix package contribution and I
did this in less than 30 minutes, copying the package descriptions of
IBM Plex fonts and modifying a few things.   I dont' know what
protocols I may have missed  

Would you please let me know how to proceed from here?

Regards,
Yasu
From a86683caa6ee17e881c91cc103d30f844d6a6b34 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Yasuaki Kudo 
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:11:26 +0900
Subject: [PATCH] i

---
 gnu/packages/fonts.scm | 17 +
 1 file changed, 17 insertions(+)

diff --git a/gnu/packages/fonts.scm b/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
index 11a8e6261b..d080eb5567 100644
--- a/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
+++ b/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
@@ -78,6 +78,23 @@
   #:use-module (gnu packages python-xyz)
   #:use-module (gnu packages xorg))
 
+(define-public font-cascadia-code
+  (package
+(name "font-cascadia-code")
+(version "2009.22")
+(source (origin
+  (method url-fetch)
+  (uri (string-append "https://github.com/microsoft/cascadia-code/releases/download/;
+  "v" version "/CascadiaCode-" version ".zip"))
+  (sha256
+(base32
+  "0ilqvy7hzw35w5mig6zp2lny30fm8kmpzh69fg2npr4snyacq6w0"
+(build-system font-build-system)
+(home-page "https://github.com/microsoft/cascadia-code/;)
+(synopsis "Microsoft Cascadia Code")
+(description "This package provides Microsoft Cascadia Code fonts.")
+(license license:silofl1.1)))
+
 (define-public font-ibm-plex
   (package
 (name "font-ibm-plex")
-- 
2.30.0