Re: [h-cost] lab coats
The lab coat is a knee-length heavy cotton (usually white) unlined coat/jacket, with side seams split to allow access to trousers pockets, possibly two front pockets with angled openings, and a pocket on the left chest. You could probably use a raincoat pattern along Chesterfield lines (narrow lapels, somewhat high closing) and come pretty close, back kick opening and all. Many doctors still wear these, and so do many college lab instructors. And so did they when I was in college (late '60s), and I imagine well into the past with little change. The set designer in my college theater program also wore them. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Jul 20, 2005, at 10:30 PM, Kristalor wrote: It's not a nehru jacket? - Original Message - From: Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats Does anyone know where I can find more information about these? Or even a pattern. Are they real or just a mythical garment? A quick stab at Google and Froogle shows chef's double breasted chef coats which might be like this, although the early selections were too short. If you keep looking, you might find longer ones. No, it's close but they have two lines of buttons down the front and the ones I am thinking of have one line or none. I was hoping there was a history of lab coats website out there that someone knews about that I can't find. I don't suppose you're a Girl Genius fan, too? (Online cartoon with mad scientists.) Oddly enough, while I've known Kaja (and by extension Phil) off and on for years I'm not a fan. This has two roots - one is that someone on another of my lists was asking what a female doctor would be wearing in the 20's and I was wondering what lab coats looked like then. And the other is that I've got a friend with perfect mad scientist hair and I was thinking of offering to make him a coat.\ But thanks, Susan -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] lab coats
When I was a tech writer for one of Hewlett-Packard's computer research labs, there was a chemistry research lab across the hall. Our department's vending machine was near our door to that hall, and the chemists came in to use it a lot. Yes, they wore white lab coats. They also wore what is apparently the other essential costuming accessory for chemists (and probably mad scientists)--badly stained hands. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: The lab coat is a knee-length heavy cotton (usually white) unlined coat/jacket, with side seams split to allow access to trousers pockets, possibly two front pockets with angled openings, and a pocket on the left chest. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] lab coats
Regular lab coats can be had from many places, easily. I got one for my hubby one year; his job title was Senior Scientist and I had one embroidered Senior Mad Scientist above the pocket in the usual place. However, the shoulder-button type is one I've only seen in Victorian-era-imitation mad scientists. I'll be interested to hear if anyone comes up with a ready-made source. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent About 1/4 of men and 1/6 of women leave a bathroom without washing their hands. So wash! And use soap. Just rinsing doesnÕt help, and in fact it hurts; wet hands are a great place for breeding more bacteria. -- The Bad Astronomer's Blog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] lab coats
http://nawtythings.com/halloween/him4.html This one it's probably not really what you are looking for but it's closer than the newer style coats. I know that House of Vamp (a goth company) does a lab coat dress. Maybe they have some ideas. http://www.houseofvamp.com/Catagories/dresses/new/labcoatla2_t.jpg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] lab coats
Quoting Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've seen in cartoons, and the like, pictures of an old style Laboratory coat (white, high collar, has a flap front that closes with buttons on the shoulder - tends to be slightly fitted). Sounds like you're thinking about what I think of as a chef's jacket http://images.google.com/images?q=chef+jackethl=enlr=sa=Ntab=wi Sinplicity has a pattern for one. Susan (who's lab coat is just like an Old Fashioned Duster) - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] lab coats
I'd be downright shocked if the American Memory collection at the Library of Congress didn't have some pictures of doctors/scientists in the 1920s: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/ -E House - Original Message - From: Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip This has two roots - one is that someone on another of my lists was asking what a female doctor would be wearing in the 20's and I was wondering what lab coats looked like then. And the other is that I've got a friend with perfect mad scientist hair and I was thinking of offering to make him a coat. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Pewter Replicas was Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 463
At 06:21 PM 7/20/2005, you wrote:
Debs.
PS the website is .co.uk, not .com (ie www.pewterreplicas.co.uk )
Hi Debs,
I had that url as well. However, the Tudor Jewels site
(www.tudorjewels.com) points to the .com version
(http://www.pewterreplicas.com), which appears to be a newer version of the
shopping cart program or something. Copyright © Steve Millingham Pewter
Replicas 2005
I wonder why he's running both? Anyone know?
And among his things like the jewelry, I want to buy my husband one of the
German repro pocket watches, since my husband has to keep the Queen's
schedule at faire. Oh, but Steve has too many things actually that I could
easily spend money on. {sigh}
Kimiko
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Re: [h-cost] lab coats
Susan B. Farmer wrote: Sounds like you're thinking about what I think of as a chef's jacket Indra's sending things through in funny order again It's not quite a chef's jacket. Those tend to have two rows of buttons. what I think of as the classic has one row, roughly along the nipple line (vertical) with a panel edge just below the collarbones, which may or may not have buttons. Not fully double breasted, although I don't know why not. Here's some images: Mad science mouse: http://www.research.usf.edu/cm/pics/mad_scientist.JPG Nutcase in white satin version: http://halfass.com/images/madman.jpg GG version: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/promo/banners/girlgenius.08.jpg I don't know if these are what Susan is thinking of, though. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent About 1/4 of men and 1/6 of women leave a bathroom without washing their hands. So wash! And use soap. Just rinsing doesnÕt help, and in fact it hurts; wet hands are a great place for breeding more bacteria. -- The Bad Astronomer's Blog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] lab coats
Wouldn't it be just as easy to alter a regular jacket - extend the one side over the other and add the facings? It wouldn't be much different from changing a center back seam to a center side seam. These lab coats are much closer fitting than the current ones, and I don't remember if there are pockets in them or not. I seem to remember a picture of several people in iron lungs in one room. The nurses are smiling at the camera and the smiling doctors are wearing the lab coats you are talking about. The people in the iron lungs are not smiling. I'm sure that famous picture (from Life Magazine IIRC) would be somewhere online. LynnD Works in a research laboratory On 7/21/05, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cynthia Virtue posted: Here's some images: Mad science mouse: http://www.research.usf.edu/cm/pics/mad_scientist.JPG Yes, this is really close to what I am thinking of, thanks. I looked last night and couldn't find a picture even that good. But I still would kinda like to know if they were based on a real garment. To make it I was thinking of altering a frock coat pattern. A better solution might be to use the frock coat back and alter a chef's coat front to match what I am looking for. I have the folklife pattern, so that would be doable. Susan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] lab coats
Quoting Cynthia Virtue [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Susan B. Farmer wrote: Sounds like you're thinking about what I think of as a chef's jacket Indra's sending things through in funny order again Yeah I noticed that It's not quite a chef's jacket. Those tend to have two rows of buttons. what I think of as the classic has one row, roughly along the nipple line (vertical) with a panel edge just below the collarbones, which may or may not have buttons. Not fully double breasted, although I don't know why not. Here's some images: Mad science mouse: http://www.research.usf.edu/cm/pics/mad_scientist.JPG Oh, *that* jacket! I don't think I've ever seen one in the flesh. I'd think that the chef's jacket would be a good place to start for making one though. Susan (the *other* Susan) - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] lab coats
Mad science mouse: http://www.research.usf.edu/cm/pics/mad_scientist.JPG Oh, *that* jacket! I don't think I've ever seen one in the flesh. I'd think that the chef's jacket would be a good place to start for making one though. And would be dandy as-is for a nearly-right costume, if someone doesn't have a lot of time, or has good enough accessories to carry the rest of it. I looked for the iron lung pictures, and found a lot (shudder, thank you Dr. Salk!) but none with other than center-front button lab coats. cv ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] lab coats
Quoting Cynthia Virtue [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mad science mouse: http://www.research.usf.edu/cm/pics/mad_scientist.JPG Oh, *that* jacket! I don't think I've ever seen one in the flesh. I'd think that the chef's jacket would be a good place to start for making one though. And would be dandy as-is for a nearly-right costume, if someone doesn't have a lot of time, or has good enough accessories to carry the rest of it. I looked for the iron lung pictures, and found a lot (shudder, thank you Dr. Salk!) but none with other than center-front button lab coats. One of my professors spent a year or so in one when he was about 5. They wouldn't even let him kep his teddy bear. He could see his parents via a mirror over his head. Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] lab coats
I think you're referring to a coat with a standing color, buttons across one shoulder, and then down the side of the chest, right? For the long-sleeved version (also long in length), try an image search for pictures of civilian and maybe military doctors from the influenza epidemic of 1918 or any of the polio epidemics pre WWII. The short-sleeved (and shorter) version was standard wear for hospital interns up through the 1960's. Any image search for Ben Casey or Dr Kildare should turn up plenty of pictures. The short-sleeved version was also worn by dentists and pharmacists up through the 60's and maybe a bit beyond. Disclaimer- look for images from the US; I don't know about the rest of the world. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] lab coats
I found something close - Went to http://memory.loc.gov , searched for the word dentist. The last picture on page 4 of the results has something really close. (The one titled Wilson Dam, Alabama (Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA)). Dentist uses the X-ray on a TVA chemical worker) It looks like a zip instead of buttons, but it has the high collar, tight fit and side closure. Sheryl Nance-Durst At 08:08 PM 7/21/05 -0400, you wrote: I think you're referring to a coat with a standing color, buttons across one shoulder, and then down the side of the chest, right? For the long-sleeved version (also long in length), try an image search for pictures of civilian and maybe military doctors from the influenza epidemic of 1918 or any of the polio epidemics pre WWII. The short-sleeved (and shorter) version was standard wear for hospital interns up through the 1960's. Any image search for Ben Casey or Dr Kildare should turn up plenty of pictures. The short-sleeved version was also worn by dentists and pharmacists up through the 60's and maybe a bit beyond. Disclaimer- look for images from the US; I don't know about the rest of the world. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] lab coats
This looks like what you are looking for, style wise: http://www.antiquescientifica.com/web.civil_war_confederate_surgeon's_coat.htm http://www.braceface.com/medical/images/civil%20war%20surgeon's%20coat.jpg I also tried finding pictures from old silent movies and horror movies, after much head scratching (because I know I have seen them, and I can't remember where...) I came up with this picture of a couple of makeup artists putting Boris Karloff into his Frankenstein paint: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/frankenstein/IIIB2.jpg (IIRC, the short sleeved one should tie in the back) http://www.georgetown.edu/faculty/irvinem/english016/franken/whale.jpg IIRC Dr Finkelstein in Nightmare Before Christmas wears one... Hope this helps, Sheridan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
