Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses
At 18:21 27/08/2005, you wrote: Hi, Someone wants me to make her a Victorian dress for her wedding. She would like me to use Sari fabric. Now I am wondering if they used sari fabric in the Victorian era for dresses. I am not sure she really cares but I'd like to know what I am talking about. Greetings, Deredere I know that saris were definitely used in the early 19th century, for what we call Regency dresses. I also know that Kashmir shawls, (and Paisley) were used to make dresses in the mid to later Victorian period, but I don't know whether saris were used. I'm sorry - that's not terribly helpful. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses
India imports have a long history in Britain (after all, India was a British colony), and even the US. (When I was working on _Fashions of the Gilded Age_, for 1877-1882, I came across a recommendation to buy a popular style of striped summer silk at the India stores in a _Harper's Bazar_ column called New York Fashions. The assumption was that everyone already knew where to find the India stores.) Sheer fabrics, both cottons and silks, have also been summer and evening perennials since the late 18th century at least. As long you have enough fabric--and for some periods and styles it can be combined with another fabric--you're probably OK. Even a rather foreign-looking pattern is OK; I've seen some definitely Indian-looking textile patterns on European, UK, and US dresses in museum catalogs. The influence goes both ways, too. The Indians have long manufactured, on their own or by commission, textiles designed to sell well in foreign markets. And sari textile patterns, even those for Indian use, are by no means static. I once saw an exhibition of saris at the Asian museum in San Francisco. They were arranged in chronological order, and you could see the style changes and European influences very clearly. For example, here were a number of very Art Nouveau saris from the late 19th and early 20th centuries. My favorite in the whole exhibit was an exquisite Art Nouveau sari with a border of Victrolas, the type with the horn. The bases of the Victrolas were lined up with the horns exploding from them like flowers. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/29/2005 10:49:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Someone wants me to make her a Victorian dress for her wedding. She would like me to use Sari fabric. Now I am wondering if they used sari fabric in the Victorian era for dresses. I am not sure she really cares but I'd like to know what I am talking about. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] S-shaped needles?? (was Dorset buttons)
It's the answer to my whinge about C-shaped needles! Jean Ynes Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote These needles are used for sewing leather. They're for thicker leather than garment leather. The triangular tip cuts the hole and the curve gives the hand something to press against to make the hole. Think of the 2nd curve of the S as a handle for pushing through the first curve as if it were a c-shaped needle. - Ynes Kimiko Small wrote: While wandering through, I noticed they had S shaped needles. http://www.woodedhamlet.com/threads_pins_needles/sewing_needles.htm Bottom of the page. Anyone know what they would be best used for, or use them before, or anything? I've never seen this kind of needle before, and wanted to know more. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] S-shaped needles?? (was Dorset buttons)
My thought exactly, Jean. Something to get through that thick buckram whereI want it to go and have some sort of handle to boot! LynnD On 8/29/05, Jean Waddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the answer to my whinge about C-shaped needles! Jean Ynes Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote These needles are used for sewing leather. They're for thicker leather than garment leather. The triangular tip cuts the hole and the curve gives the hand something to press against to make the hole. Think of the 2nd curve of the S as a handle for pushing through the first curve as if it were a c-shaped needle. - Ynes Kimiko Small wrote: While wandering through, I noticed they had S shaped needles. http://www.woodedhamlet.com/threads_pins_needles/sewing_needles.htm Bottom of the page. Anyone know what they would be best used for, or use them before, or anything? I've never seen this kind of needle before, and wanted to know more. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses
Ah you said it for me. Old court kimonas were HUGE having acres of fabric in them and many layers. Bice On 8/29/05, otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depends on which era the Kimono came from and style. Some Kimonos have trains with long wide sleeves. Modern kimonos usually don't have that much but 188o they did. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses
Take a look at Kurosawa's RAN or THRONE OF BLOOD. Yards and yards! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -Original Message- From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Aug 29, 2005 4:58 PM To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses After all, they made bustle gowns out of kimonos, y'know. I'm sure you meant kimono fabric. There's hardly enough material in one kimono to make a 2005 dress, let alone anything more voluminous. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com \\\ -@@\\\ 7 ))) ((( ) (( /\ /---\)) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses
At 22:41 29/08/2005, you wrote: Depends on which era the Kimono came from and style. Some Kimonos have trains with long wide sleeves. Modern kimonos usually don't have that much but 188o they did. De -Original Message- After all, they made bustle gowns out of kimonos, y'know. I'm sure you meant kimono fabric. There's hardly enough material in one kimono to make a 2005 dress, let alone anything more voluminous. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com I have a full length wedding kimono which I believe dates from the 30's. You could make a bustle bodice from it easily enough. The material for a kimono is roughly 21 wide, and comes beautifully wrapped and sealed. I made a Regency dress for a Japanese customer using this fabric. She brought me several kimonos which are very loosely put together, and said that she had brought them because silk by the yard was terribly expensive and hard to come by. (% years ago or so.) Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses
In a message dated 8/29/2005 6:04:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The dress is a bustle dress of the 1870s, but only the bodice and overskirt survive. The fabric is very beautiful. Do you think that only the bodice and overskirt survive, or were they all that were made of the Japanese fabric? There would certainly be enough fabric in a kimono for that. However, as to an 1850s or '60s gown, which started this discussion--even a voluminous kimono would probably not have enough fabric for that. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cinderella question
How long do you have to change? 30 seconds can be very long indeed. If both costumeswhatever they are...are all made up as one even if they look like layers of different things, an invisible zipper down the back can get it on and off in seconds. Also if the magical ball gown has tons of fullness and petticoats [attached] and is glittery with lame and beading and sequins, the contrast to the soot covered schemata will be breathtaking. It is easier to take something off than put something on. The glittery ball bodice can be underdressed under the frumpy charwoman outfit which can be snatched off, and a full glittery skirt with attached petticoats can be added...securely with a real skirt hook. Avoid Velcro. It seems like a good idea but it isn't mainly because it's just a strip and it has no way to get it lined up correctly. Snaps are great...and big ones [whopper poppers] can be covered in fabric to disappear. You just cover them [with thin fabric] and make a hole in the male side for the little thing to stick up through and a hole on the female side for it to snap into. Don't forget, you can have time to change a wig and some makeup too. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses
In a message dated 8/29/2005 6:16:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, as to an 1850s or '60s gown, which started this discussion No this discussion started with Victorian. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses
In a message dated 8/29/2005 6:42:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No this discussion started with Victorian. Yeah, you right! And I pointed out in my first message that Victorian covers a lot of ground, although I didn't specify the dates of late 1830s-1890s. Seems many folks think crinoline when they think Victorian, but the seamstress in question needs to clarify that with her client first before doing anything else! Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
