Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua
Hi Michaela I have the pattern cut for this mantua also if you are interrested. From the small catalogue womens fashion from 1600 1750. I baught this many years ago on Victoria Albert, my very first visit to London. Let me know if i can help you with this. Bjarne - Original Message - From: michaela [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua The English mantua you refer to is in a book called 18th Century Women's Costume at Blaise Castle House by Helen Burnett and Cleo Witt. Printed by Bristol City Museum. However, the mantua is dated c.1738-41. It still has its matching petticoat. I just found my livejournal with my list of extant early mantua (as opposed to the very stylised later mantua) and found the book I had seen it in: http://www.livejournal.com/users/pinkdiamond/334570.html Title: Women's costumes 1600-1750, [by] Zillah Halls. Published: London, H.M.S.O., 1969. Other Author(s): Halls, Zillah. I didn't manage to snaffle the date of the mantua but I can read the date of the stomacher as being 1720-30. The petticoat looks to be a quilted tube basically. The text I can make out says: ... open robe worn over a separate corset and separate skirt was established. The elaborately-arranged skirt, pinned or buttoned back, is occasionally though not frequently found throughout the first half of the 18th century; there are four examples in the London Museum. (view of the back of the mantua and petticoat) 13 stomacher 1720-30, (no.[??]) The stomacher was a separate triangular piece, usually embroidered, which filled the space in the front of the bodice. (view of the front of the Mantua, pettcoat and stomacher. I adore this example. It's so very simple but effective. The stomacher has a fine pattern embroidered with horizontal lines. Unfortunately the image on the Sally Queen and Associates page has gone, I think it is in the 2000 calendar. I'm going to email to ask if this is so. I seem to recall it being in the colletcion of the Royal Ontaria Museum, but there is no info on their site. regards, michaela de bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/129 - Release Date: 11/10/2005 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: KWCS report?
So, can someone who went to KWCS in Kansas this weekend tell us how it went? --Robin = I went with Dawn, and I had a blast. I got to do Marc Carlson's shoe demo, which was awesome. Not that I'll ever attempt to make a medieval shoe, mind you, but his class was great and the shoes he had as examples were beautiful. And now I know what grave wax is. :) I took Kass McGann's German class, which was very entertaining and informative. I'm a complete newbie to German clothes, so some of it was a little over my head, but it was worthwhile anyway. And I absolutely couldn't believe it when Dawn told me Kass had done all the cutwork on her costume by hand. Totally droolworthy. Later that afternoon I was in the other German class. I can't remember the instructor's name but she said she used to be a member of this list. She disagreed with some of Kass's conclusions, but she had several really cool books to look at and reconstructions of her version of the famous Cranach dress. And finally, the pleatwork class was really great. She should write a book. Someone on this list was asking about pleated smocks a few months ago -- something about the way the sleeves were placed so there wasn't a shoulder seam but the torso part was pleated into the neck. Whoever that was, e-mail me, and I'll give you the contact info for the teacher of this class, because she had documentation of what you were talking about. Tea Rose ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report?
Sounds like it was well worth the trip. Thank you for sharing. If I may ask... would you also share the pleat work contact information... I don't want to swamp the poor lady ; but I would love to see what she has found. Many thanks, Mari / Bridgette And finally, the pleatwork class was really great. She should write a book. Someone on this list was asking about pleated smocks a few months ago -- something about the way the sleeves were placed so there wasn't a shoulder seam but the torso part was pleated into the neck. Whoever that was, e-mail me, and I'll give you the contact info for the teacher of this class, because she had documentation of what you were talking about. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...?
Anyone have any experience with this? My top loader washing machine is about to croak. I live in the desert and would like to go with a more water efficient machine. Some have suggested just keeping my old one for dying, but that will only last for so long. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...?
From everything I've read front loader use a lot less water. We are thinking of getting one so we can reduce our water bill. The one where I work appears to use less water. They do an excellent job of washing the clothes and have been around long enough that all the bugs are out of them. I want mine on a 6 stand though as I have trouble bending down that far all the time. Brin Kendall WickedFrau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have any experience with this? My top loader washing machine is about to croak. I live in the desert and would like to go with a more water efficient machine. Some have suggested just keeping my old one for dying, but that will only last for so long. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cleveland?
well, I am in Cincinnati, the opposite corner of the state from Cleveland, but the Hungarian Heritage Museum downtown is worth a walk through. They have some excellent folk costumes on display. Jennifer At 07:58 PM 10/8/05 -0400, you wrote: Hi! I'm in Canton, 60 miles south. Cleveland is in the Barony of the Cleftlands - they are big quite active. Huge public library system, one of the best museums in the country, universities all over the place - LOTS of research opportunities! Maria what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? Anon. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...?
Yep, done it in a Kenmore high-capacity front loader with linen using Dylon machine dye from the UK. Worked great. liz young WickedFrau wrote: Anyone have any experience with this? My top loader washing machine is about to croak. I live in the desert and would like to go with a more water efficient machine. Some have suggested just keeping my old one for dying, but that will only last for so long. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...?
Elizabeth Young wrote: Yep, done it in a Kenmore high-capacity front loader with linen using Dylon machine dye from the UK. Worked great. I've done it with regular Dylon dye; worked great. I put the dye other additives in first, let it roll for a minute or two to mix, then put in the clothes. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Then to the King's Theatre, where we saw Midsummer's Night's Dream, which I had never seen before, nor shall ever again, for it is the most insipid ridiculous play that ever I saw in my life. -- Samuel Pepys, 1662 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...?
Start shopping now as washer will most likely die when you least expect it. Unless it is an old reliable thing and you have a relative, neighbor, connection that can fix it for much less than the cost of a new machine... Perhaps Consumer Reports has some online comparisons for washers for quality and reliability, but probably you will want to just go out and price compare. Of course, today's models all have efficiency tags--how much power/water used. My little top loader(18 lbs capacity) is 15 years old and I only do a few loads a week, but I got a great deal on it because it was a overmanufactured mustard yellow body made for the European market with American market insides. I didn't want to take a chance on a used washer. I haven't had a problem with it ... Yet. I do hope it lasts until the new landlord installs new pay washers and dryers . Colored washer and dryer sets are all the thing now, but you might be able to pick up a discontinued plain white model with a better quality for the same money. If you have two connections, by all means keep the old one for dyeing(wish I could do that) Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WickedFrau Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 1:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? Anyone have any experience with this? My top loader washing machine is about to croak. I live in the desert and would like to go with a more water efficient machine. Some have suggested just keeping my old one for dying, but that will only last for so long. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...?
Front-loaders are standard in the UK, therefore Dylon machine dye is made to work in them. I do this all the time, never had any trouble. Jean Elizabeth Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Yep, done it in a Kenmore high-capacity front loader with linen using Dylon machine dye from the UK. Worked great. liz young WickedFrau wrote: Anyone have any experience with this? My top loader washing machine is about to croak. I live in the desert and would like to go with a more water efficient machine. Some have suggested just keeping my old one for dying, but that will only last for so long. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? Or, Dyeing in a front loading washer?
I really had to do a double-take on this subject line Dying in a front end loader to me, means that somebody died in a horrible industrial accident! A front end loader is like a big tractor with a scoop on the front for moving dirt around and loading dump trucks. It has nothing to do with laundry! Thank you for the morning chuckle! ::Linda;: -Original Message- On Behalf Of WickedFrau Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 2:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? Anyone have any experience with this? My top loader washing machine is about to croak. I live in the desert and would like to go with a more water efficient machine. Some have suggested just keeping my old one for dying, but that will only last for so long. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Cleveland?
Last summer we planned to go to the Cleveland Museum of Art as part of our vacation. Good thing I called ahead to plan. I was told by the nice lady at the CMA that all but 3 exhibits were boxed up and in storage, including all of the medieval armor and weapons stuff, and art. Seems they are moving into a new building and doing a lot of serious remodeling there. I asked when they planned to be fully re-opened and was told 2009. Yes, FOUR years! I'm sure parts will be back before then, but if anyone is planning on going to the CMA, calling ahead is a Very Good Idea. Pax, ::Linda:: On Behalf Of Ailith Mackintosh Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleveland? I don't live in Cleveland; I'm about an hour and a half southeast of it. You'll love the Cleveland Museum of Art and the Kent State University Fashion Museum! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: [h-cost] Cleveland? Hi! I'm moving from the San Francisco area to Cleveland in 2 weeks, and I was wondering if there is anyone else on this list in the Cleveland area? Cheers! -sunny ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? Or, Dyeing in a front loading washer?
Oh geeze! Smack my forhead with heel of hand! Is that SMFWHOH in computer lingo? =-O Linda Rice wrote: I really had to do a double-take on this subject line e! ::Linda;: ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Photo cross-stitch software
Does anyone know the name of some software that will take a photo and grid it for cross-stitch? I know there are people who will do this if you mail them the photo. But I wonder if they are doing this in some computer software or by hand. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Photo cross-stitch software
At 08:51 PM 10/12/2005, you wrote: Does anyone know the name of some software that will take a photo and grid it for cross-stitch? I know there are people who will do this if you mail them the photo. But I wonder if they are doing this in some computer software or by hand. Penny E. Ladnier Hi Penny, I know there are several high end embroidery design software that does this. They can do one color and the more expensive ones do 4-color versions. I also see a few lower priced versions are also doing this now. Do a google search on embroidery design software photostitch and you will find several. I can't answer as to which ones would be best, as I have yet to play with them myself. Someday I keep saying to myself, someday. Kimiko ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report?
At 08:33 AM 10/12/2005, you wrote: And finally, the pleatwork class was really great. She should write a book. Someone on this list was asking about pleated smocks a few months ago -- something about the way the sleeves were placed so there wasn't a shoulder seam but the torso part was pleated into the neck. Whoever that was, e-mail me, and I'll give you the contact info for the teacher of this class, because she had documentation of what you were talking about. Tea Rose Oh yes please share that info on the list as well. I've been having a doozy of a time trying to figure out how Henry VIII's smocks are done without resorting to raglan style sleeves. Any info that can hopefully shed light would be wonderful. Kimiko ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Pleated smocks/shifts etc Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report?
Oh yes please share that info on the list as well. I've been having a doozy of a time trying to figure out how Henry VIII's smocks are done without resorting to raglan style sleeves. Any info that can hopefully shed light would be wonderful. http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/mary/index.htm The Mary of Hungary chemise has the arm gussets go right to the neckline, you can see the front panels and sleeves are smocked and the gussets left unsmocked. The back is also smocked I believe. I'm sure I've linked from there to Cynthia Virtue's site which hosts the pattern diagram of her chemise and gown. I made a version of it using the same measurements (Mary and I appear to have been very similar in height and width...) You can't even tell that the gussets are there with pleated neckline. I made a backing that was about an inch deep to secure my pleats to. When it was just a row of fine pleats they were even less visible. If you mean high necked shirts.. there are several extant that use a basic rectangle cut with a slit for the neck, gussets at the shoulders for shape and the body gathered/pleated to the neckline. I suspect there is a fair amount of artistic licence in some portraits... The Sture shirt though does look very fully gathered/pleated though. michaela de bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/131 - Release Date: 12/10/2005 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Photo cross-stitch software
I downloaded a demo version of X-Stitch Studio from here: http://www.ursasoftware.com/studio.htm I have been playing with it and you can only get details of images when you go into 18+ count aida cloth. I am putting an old fashion plate into the software and can't get details of the face. I am looking for anyone's suggestions as to your experience with this type software. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
