Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice
Hi Debbie, Gosh this must be an unknown bodice to us! I have never seen or heard of it before. Also beading and feather pattern, is very interresting, and pink two. My guess is that it looks similar to the pale blue bodice of the London museum. It is a joy to all of us, that events like this still is happening, to fill out the gashes of mystery. Yesterday i was at an antique fair in Copenhagen (huge one) and found a german costume book, wich i never have seen before. Its from 1919, and even that the black and white pictures are lousy, they are very valuable to me.There is a drawing in it of the caraco jacket in Köhlers book, both the front and the back, and a striped redingote with huge buttons from the late years, and and Most of the costumes, are german from collektions wich dont excist any more. The eldest garment is a mans italian renaissance doublet, with multi puffed sleaves. I never saw that either, it is mid 16th century and the book claims it is a mixture of the italian and spanish fashion. Title of the book is Kostümkunde für samler. Thanks for posting this, i would die to se a picture of that bodice, and i hope it will be sold to a museum, so that we shall get more informations of it. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Max Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice Hello all! I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know more about. I found an article on the net ... http://tinyurl.com/brxjg -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the bottom of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long distance and I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if they have updated info... Hopefully, one of the links will work! Thanks for any help, Debbie Callahan :) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice
Hi, Could it be because the bodice was sold last year, and they have then removed the picture for more bandwidth? What happened to the bodice, who baught it? I think the list is very quiet, are everybody making hooliday gift exchages? I am, almost finished with mine! Bjarne who cant postpictures, it is a seacret you know! - Original Message - From: Melanie Schuessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice One of the footnotes at the bottom of the article says, Pictures of this item can be downloaded free of charge from our site on PA Picselect. Please go to the DCMS folder situated within the Arts section of Picselect either at http://www.papicselect.com/ or through the PA bulleting board. I assume that last was meant to be bulletin board. PA Picselect said there were 0 images in the DCMS folder, and so far I haven't been able to locate the PA bulletin board. Anyone else have better luck? I'm very interested to see this bodice! Melanie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice
I would love to see a picture of this. I see it was more than a year ago, but I've never heard of it before. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/11/2005 07:34 Hello all! I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know more about. I found an article on the net ... http://tinyurl.com/brxjg -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the bottom of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long distance and I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if they have updated info... Hopefully, one of the links will work! Thanks for any help, Debbie Callahan :) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice
You did better than I did. I couldn't find either the folder or the bulletin board. I just registered for the site too. Waiting to get confirmation. Melanie Schuessler wrote: One of the footnotes at the bottom of the article says, Pictures of this item can be downloaded free of charge from our site on PA Picselect. Please go to the DCMS folder situated within the Arts section of Picselect either at http://www.papicselect.com/ or through the PA bulleting board. I assume that last was meant to be bulletin board. PA Picselect said there were 0 images in the DCMS folder, and so far I haven't been able to locate the PA bulletin board. Anyone else have better luck? I'm very interested to see this bodice! Melanie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume I ju ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice
Re this bodice that may (or not be 17th C...) I just entered the picselect site that someone reports as a visual source for look-see and also did not see a reference for the picture we are interested in. Since this seems to be a film outlet, my suspicion is that this bodice is someone's fantasy. I too have never seen bugles' and 'feathers' as a design feature for this period. Kathleen - Original Message - From: Max Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:34 AM Subject: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice Hello all! I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know more about. I found an article on the net ... http://tinyurl.com/brxjg -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the bottom of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long distance and I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if they have updated info... Hopefully, one of the links will work! Thanks for any help, Debbie Callahan :) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice
I've have been contacted by the folks at Picselect for further information on my attempt to register...I will let you know what they decide! Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice
Picselect no longer has the images. I have sent an email to the Dept. of Media, Art and Sport to see what else they can tell us. I'll keep you updated. Sg WickedFrau wrote: I've have been contacted by the folks at Picselect for further information on my attempt to register...I will let you know what they decide! Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice
The bodice is not a fantasy, since we have a government press release saying it has been held back from export (I don't believe everything the government tells us, but I don't think press officers make things up that are so far from the headlines). Since the owner is not identified, I would guess it is from a private collection and may never have been displayed or referenced. The picselect site seems to belong to the Press Association, so maybe they just put pictures up for a short time while they are current. Jean Lloyd Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Re this bodice that may (or not be 17th C...) I just entered the picselect site that someone reports as a visual source for look-see and also did not see a reference for the picture we are interested in. Since this seems to be a film outlet, my suspicion is that this bodice is someone's fantasy. I too have never seen bugles' and 'feathers' as a design feature for this period. Kathleen - Original Message - From: Max Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:34 AM Subject: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice Hello all! I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know more about. I found an article on the net ... http://tinyurl.com/brxjg -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the bottom of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long distance and I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if they have updated info... Hopefully, one of the links will work! Thanks for any help, Debbie Callahan :) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice
Thanks for the quick replies everyone! I'm fascinated that there may be this newly found piece out there somewhere that might add clues as to construction and technique. Makes me think of a Costume College I went to and Sally Queen was teaching. She said something akin to the fact that every time she made a new discovery about costumes that it felt like Christmas! I so agree! : D I hope that if this is the real thing, it turns up where we can see pictures of it ...(hopefully yummy close-up ones) -Debbie Callahan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns
otsisto wrote: Look what I found 1934 http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V2609=xT I=20006page=2 I used that pattern for my CC22 Think Pink entry last year. There is no zipper, it uses hooks eyes in the side seam. I would make it again if the need came up again. Jeanine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns
I'm trying to help a friend with his Japanese persona's costume. We are needing to find patterns for these items: hakama, manchira, and hitatare. If anyone could point us in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Roscelin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns
At 03:33 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote: I'm trying to help a friend with his Japanese persona's costume. We are needing to find patterns for these items: hakama, manchira, and hitatare. If anyone could point us in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Roscelin If my memory is correct, Folkwear has some Japanese clothing patterns. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to help a friend with his Japanese persona's costume. We are needing to find patterns for these items: hakama, manchira, and hitatare. If anyone could point us in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! I found these easily with a Google search of ___ pattern. Also: http://www.sengokudaimyo.com/ Looked like an interesting site for your friend to take a look at. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] NESAT 6 available
There are a limited number of copies of NESAT 6 available from Lena Falk at the Archaeology Dept of the Goteborgs Univeritet even though it is listed as out of print at the bookshop: http://www.hum.gu.se/ark/. You can contact her at lena.falk AT archaeology.gu.se Hope that this is of interest. Beth Matney ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns
What era? And I am not 100% sure but I think a manchira is an upper torse piece of chainmail. Is that what you are think when you say manchira? Various info and some patterns. http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/japanese/briefhistory.html http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/dept_8.html http://www.japan-zone.com/culture/kimono.shtml http://www.geocities.com/anne_liese_w/Japanese/japhitatare.htm http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/busou/5.htm http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/wayou/29.htm http://www.samurai-archives.com/clothing.html http://sengokudaimyo.com/katchu/graphics/patterns/hitatare.PDF http://www.marubeni.com/gallery/gallery0205.html http://brian.hoffert.faculty.noctrl.edu/TEACHING/Samurai.html http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2133.html De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns
I think Folkwear still has a pattern for hakamas. Sylrog On Nov 7, 2005, at 4:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to help a friend with his Japanese persona's costume. We are needing to find patterns for these items: hakama, manchira, and hitatare. If anyone could point us in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Roscelin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] 18th Century Fabric
Hello, Does anyone know of an on-line source for reproductions of 18th century fabrics? I've found a few, but don't want to miss any before I choose the fabric for a 1780s-1790s dress. Thanks, Anita ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] CCs
Does the contest theme match the theme of the con? For example, St. Lou's CC is hell freezing over would that be the theme of the contest? De -Original Message- I used that pattern for my CC22 Think Pink entry last year. There is no zipper, it uses hooks eyes in the side seam. I would make it again if the need came up again. Jeanine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns
I'm trying to help a friend with his Japanese persona's costume. We
are needing to find patterns for these items: hakama, manchira, and
hitatare. If anyone could point us in the right direction it would be
greatly appreciated. Thanks!
If my memory is correct, Folkwear has some Japanese clothing patterns.
http://www.folkwear.com/asian.html
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Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Fabric
Hello, Does anyone know of an on-line source for reproductions of 18th century fabrics? I've found a few, but don't want to miss any before I choose the fabric for a 1780s-1790s dress. Anita, If you can wait for a few monthsI will be carrying Duran Textiles starting in Februrary. If you haven't seen the website, it is really great (especially the photographs that Laila takes)! Here is a link: http://www.durantextiles.com/ I will be starting with the cotton prints and eventually hope to carry the full line. And next to each style of fabric she says where the original pattern was found. Very cool! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net Everything for the Costumer ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Fabric
On Monday 07 November 2005 10:38 pm, Diana Habra wrote: Hello, Does anyone know of an on-line source for reproductions of 18th century fabrics? I've found a few, but don't want to miss any before I choose the fabric for a 1780s-1790s dress. Have you heard of Reproduction Fabrics? They claim to sell reproduction patterns dating between 1775 and 1970, some of which are genuine indigo prints in period designs. Most of them appear to be cotton prints, if that's what you're interested in: http://www.reproductionfabrics.com/index.php -- Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it.--Richard Feynman ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] CCs
As a member of the CC25 committee, let me answer your question by stating: there is not, nor is there ever, a theme of the contest. I'll explain in further detail. Costume Con has 3 competitions: a. a design folio for future fashions (judged and printed before the convention; people construct designs from the folio for a fashion show at the con) b. a Science Fiction and Fantasy masquerade c. a Historical masquerade There are NO requirements about following any specific theme; that stifles artistic expression - if you have an outfit you're aching to do, but it doesn't fit any of the upcoming themes, then what would you do? Part of the joy is not knowing what costumes will show up. Some people occasionally *choose* to do a particular outfit that follows the spirit of that convention (for example, CC24's theme is Epic Movies, and an outfit I hope to complete for the SF/F masquerade is in keeping with that). The traditional place for the theme to show up is at the convention's Friday Night Social, which is not a competition, but simply a meet and greet. For CC25, the social is meant to be a gathering of rock stars after a concert. People will come as rock stars past or present, or backstage crew, or groupies, or whatever. It's just a fun time. Karen otsisto wrote: Does the contest theme match the theme of the con? For example, St. Lou's CC is hell freezing over would that be the theme of the contest? De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: CC's
At 10:30 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote: Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:29:09 -0600 From: Karen Heim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] CCs Some people occasionally *choose* to do a particular outfit that follows the spirit of that convention (for example, CC24's theme is Epic Movies, and an outfit I hope to complete for the SF/F masquerade is in keeping with that). The traditional place for the theme to show up is at the convention's Friday Night Social, which is not a competition, but simply a meet and greet. Karen And CC 24's Friday Night Social theme is: An Evening with the Stars - think pre or post Oscar party. Sandy otsisto wrote: Does the contest theme match the theme of the con? For example, St. Lou's CC is hell freezing over would that be the theme of the contest? De Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm The Illusion of Historical Fact -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns
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RE: [h-cost] CCs
I have never been to CC and hope to go to the one in St. Louis as it will be close and I have relatives near there if budget is tight and can't hotel it. For now I am hoping to find time to finally make a costume for Archon (if not more). :) Thank you, De -Original Message- As a member of the CC25 committee, let me answer your question by stating: there is not, nor is there ever, a theme of the contest. I'll explain in further detail. Costume Con has 3 competitions: a. a design folio for future fashions (judged and printed before the convention; people construct designs from the folio for a fashion show at the con) b. a Science Fiction and Fantasy masquerade c. a Historical masquerade There are NO requirements about following any specific theme; that stifles artistic expression - if you have an outfit you're aching to do, but it doesn't fit any of the upcoming themes, then what would you do? Part of the joy is not knowing what costumes will show up. Some people occasionally *choose* to do a particular outfit that follows the spirit of that convention (for example, CC24's theme is Epic Movies, and an outfit I hope to complete for the SF/F masquerade is in keeping with that). The traditional place for the theme to show up is at the convention's Friday Night Social, which is not a competition, but simply a meet and greet. For CC25, the social is meant to be a gathering of rock stars after a concert. People will come as rock stars past or present, or backstage crew, or groupies, or whatever. It's just a fun time. Karen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
