Re: [h-cost] your dream costume trip
If I had three months, I have always wanted three months to research in Egypt. Within the next month or so, one dream trip is coming true. I am going to Philadelphia to see the King Tut exhibit. I would also like to visit the FIDM during Oscar week to view the film costumes nominated. Then watch the Red Carpet for the Oscars to see the fashions worn up close. I would also like to see Debbie Reynolds film costume collection I have also wanted to go to the Costume Institute at the MET, then see the Lion King play. I would love to go to Mexico for Day of the Dead. I saw a mini-version when I lived in New Mexico. I would also like to go back to the Folk Art Museum in Santa Fe, NM. This is one of my favorite museums. The displays are the best I have seen in a museum. Go to Carnival in Venice. Also, go to Rio for Carnivale. Another carnival related one, Gasparilla in Tampa, Florida. I would love to see the pirates taking over the city! I was so close to going to Gasparilla and couldn't because I was teaching at the time. These celebrations are actually high on my list with Egypt and the Oscars. I party hard when away from the kids! Those who have been at CSA symposiums know that I travel with a blender! Last weekend, another dream trip happened...not so costume related but fun! We went sailing on one of the tall ships. We took a short cruise on the York River from Yorktown, VA. We celebrated our 29th wedding anniversary on a sunset cruise. I would also love to go to the Vatican to see the art collection and the castles in Germany. My husband has been to Germany several times and has been most impressed with the castles. I am known for getting kicked out of museums... not for my partying or my blender ; ! I stay in museums and state libraries until I am the last one there. I always get a guarded escort out. I just don't want to leave until someone says that I HAVE to leave. Well, last week, I got kicked out of the National Archives! A new notch on my belt. LOL! I have been to the archives several times to research but had never seen the exhibits. So far I have been kicked out of: ***London's National Gallery, the Portrait Gallery, Tower of London, VA, St. Paul's Cathedral ***Liverpool's Cathedrals (I'm bad when I get kicked out of the Catholic and the Church of England's Cathedrals) ***Carnegie Museum in Pittsburgh: Guards followed us around because I wanted to look up close to every brush stroke. I believe another he-costumer was with me for this one! ***Williamsburg Museum: I didn't get kicked out, but I was setting off alarms from getting to close to the needlework samplers. I just wanted to see the stitches up close! ***Virginia Historical Society: I was drawing floor plans for a class. ***Virginia Museum of Fine Arts: This one was not my fault... #2 son was a baby and wouldn't stop crying. Irony, he majored in art in college. And he is a big art critic! BTW, this was my first museum to be kicked out of. ***Library of Virginia: too many times to count! I was doing research. ***LDS local Library: many times! ***I even got kicked out of the Painted Desert. I will retract my VA Museum of Fine Art response about my first. The Painted Desert was my first! Believe it or not, the Painted Desert does close. I asked the ranger if they draw a big curtain around it. My husband and kids thought it was funny. But the ranger didn't and escorted us out. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] your dream costume trip
At 02:55 07/07/2007, you wrote: So if you had 3 months (just to set an arbitrary limit to what you can see but feel free to ignore any time it might take to travel between museums/countries) to travel the world and see every costume related museum you could what would you want to see. My list: In the UK I'd have to prioritise the VA, Museum of London, Museum of Costume in Bath (I missed that when I was in the UK a few years ago) National Portrait Gallery (another one I missed on that trip and although it's not directly costume related I've got to see all those Tudor portraits). In the USA, The Met in New York (I'm not sure on their costume collection but I've heard good things about their art collection), Museum of Fine Arts Boston (if their online collection is anything to go by their costume collection must be pretty impressive) but that's all I could come up with off the top of my head, I know there's some good European museums but I don't know any names. So let your imagination fly and come up with your own list Elizabeth In no particular order, and assuming I would be allowed into the archives/stores, I think I would need longer than three months. But, supposing I had time Kyoto The Hermitage in St. Petersburg - I've seen some of the clothes from there - more, more!! The Collections in Florence (Pitti Palace, Uffizzi etc.) Musee des Arts et du Textiles in Paris Musee Galliera also in Paris The museum in Holland that is twinned with the Paris set up Musee du Tissus in Lyon - all that silk Platt Hall in Manchester The DAR Museum in Washington - I only saw the stores, not what was on display, and left 30 minutes after the place closed, and 3 hours after the curator left!! The Met in New York Colonial Williamsburg - I was there for about 75 minutes and barely shifted the covers, let alone scrape the surface LACMA, where almost nothing is on display, but they have a huge collection And that is just clothing. Another three years for the Art Galleries is needed I think. Greedy, moi? Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] 1920s
While channel surfing for a couple minutes I cam upon a movie made in the 60s that took place in the 1920s. Can't remember what is is, but it starred George Peppard and Elizabeth Ashley, among others. The Carpetbaggers maybe? Anyhow, I'm trying to figure out what is so wrong about the designer's attempt at 1920s women's clothing. Obviously the hair, for starters, which looks like the 1960s bouffant. The dress seems fairly 1920s and I realize that most women then were probably not built stick then to look like they do in all the renderings from the period. Elizabeth Ashleiy is very well endowed and it's leading me to wonder what busty women wore for bras then and would have given them the support they needed. The only bras I've seen from the 1920s are flimsy little silk things with no structure at all. And what would you use on a busty actress today to help give her that proper 1920s look? Sylvia Rognstad DIVINITY DESIGNS and EMERALDS http://www.d-e-designs.com Vote in the National Cheney Impeachment Poll http://www.usalone.com/blogvoices.php?Cheney%20Impeachment%3F Add this text to your own email and blog signatures! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] your dream costume trip
So if you had 3 months (just to set an arbitrary limit to what you can see but feel free to ignore any time it might take to travel between museums/countries) to travel the world and see every costume related museum you could what would you want to see. I'd prioritize several ways. Places I havent been: Museo de Traje (Madrid) Palais Galeria(?) sometimes there's fashion exhibits at Gallerie Lafayette (Paris) Musee de Tissu (Lyons) Tessuti The Lace Museum (Venice) Ranger's House jewelry collection (Greenwich, UK) Museum of London (London) Manchester all the costume collections in the UK that arent in London Bata Shoe Museum (Ontario) Stibbert (Florence) Forbidden Palace Museum (Taipei) Museum of the Confederacy (Richmond VA) that ones in Barcelona, St Petersburg Brugge Amsterdam and Bjarne's living room so I can see his work up close. Stuff I dont even know about in the US: (I'll wait find out what the rest of you list to fill this section in.) Places I have been, but the venue is small the collection so large that when it changes there's a whole new experience: Pitti Palace (Florence) Kyoto Museum of Costume, Nishiki weaving district and Kyoto School of Kimono (Kyoto) Musee de la Mode, Louvre jewelry (Paris) Bunka Gakuin and TNM (Tokyo) VA, Brit Museum jewelry collection (London) The Met, FIT (NYC) Eretz Israel ethnic costume collection (Jerusalem) Places that I've been, like the collection, but it's really an excuse to hang out with other stuff in the area: Benaki Byzantine Museum jewelry collection (Athens) Thessaloniki Archaeology jewelry collection (Thessalonika) Topkapi Palace jewelry collection (Istanbul) Provence Musee de Costume (Nice) funny, these are next to beaches in the Med! --cin Cynthia Bar,nes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] your dream costume trip
--- Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: travel the world and see every costume related museum you could what would you want to see. I'd prioritize several ways. Places I havent been: Museum of the Confederacy (Richmond VA) --cin Cynthia Bar,nes I was distinctly unimpressed by the Museum of the Confederacy. Costuming-specific, they has a little lacey knit mitt on display, which was labelled crochet. Unless crochet now means knit with holes in? The few far between other clothing items on display were largely nothing that impressed me. fwiw. Ann in CT p.s., the whole 'rmance of the glorious South' has pretty much passed me by; and this was before I read the letter about an uncle of mine getting his head blown off. ac Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: New Orleans
I'm pretty sure the Voodoo Museum is still there. I was in New Orleans just over a year ago; some of my friends went into the museum, but (IIRC) I believe there are steps inside which I couldn't navigate. kate - Original Message - From: Pierre Sandy Pettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 1:49 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Orleans I second the Mardi Gras Museum. Also fascinating, if not directly costume-related, is the Voodoo Museum (assuming it's still there after the storm). Sandy At 12:20 PM 7/6/2007, you wrote: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:10:50 -0400 From: Beth Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] New Orleans museums I'm going to be in New Orleans for a conference next week. I've got one full day and some scattered time for sight seeing. Anyone recommend anything as a must-see for a costume junky? Thanks Beth Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm The Illusion of Historical Fact -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1920s
--- Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a movie made in the 60s that took place in the 1920s.it's leading me to wonder what busty women wore for bras then and would have given them the support they needed. The only bras I've seen from the 1920s are flimsy little silk things with no structure at all. And what would you use on a busty actress today to help give her that proper 1920s look? Sylvia Rognstad I'm not at all sure that 'support' per se was aimed at. The previous decade or two positively encouraged sagging breasts for all the corsetry. I'm thinking more 'flattening'. And try to find something like Sears catalogs of the relevant year or years, as they catered to more ages than just the young, svelte, pre-flattened or boyish girl's figure. From Tara McGinnis's website: http://www.costumes.org/history/20thcent/1920s/bernardhewettcat/pg24.jpg some 'corsolettes' in the center of the page. Despite the extremes of the fashion sketches, ordinary women, and even manequins, were expected to have a bit of softness to their figures. Ann in CT Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: New Orleans
The VooDoo Museum is still there. Or at least if it is gone it isnt due to the storm. It was still there last year. Ron Carnegie - Original Message - From: Ailith Mackintosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: New Orleans I'm pretty sure the Voodoo Museum is still there. I was in New Orleans just over a year ago; some of my friends went into the museum, but (IIRC) I believe there are steps inside which I couldn't navigate. kate - Original Message - From: Pierre Sandy Pettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 1:49 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Orleans I second the Mardi Gras Museum. Also fascinating, if not directly costume-related, is the Voodoo Museum (assuming it's still there after the storm). Sandy At 12:20 PM 7/6/2007, you wrote: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:10:50 -0400 From: Beth Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] New Orleans museums I'm going to be in New Orleans for a conference next week. I've got one full day and some scattered time for sight seeing. Anyone recommend anything as a must-see for a costume junky? Thanks Beth Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm The Illusion of Historical Fact -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] your dream costume trip
Interesting how different people respond to different things. My all-time favorite costuming stop was the Museum of the Confederacy. Go figure. I found the curator VERY accommodating--our scheduled half-hour behind-the-scenes-down-in-the-archives trip to look at a maximum of three items turned into a four hour quick and dirty look at every single piece of fabric in the archives. It all depends on what you are looking for, I guess. My husband and I are both very interested in military uniforms, which is much of the focus of course. However, I'm also an avid researcher of the city of Winchester, Virginia vis a vis the Civil War. One of my favorite diaries from Winchester was by Cornelia Peake MacDonald. Mrs. MacDonald had a new bronze silk dinner dress made in anticipation of a scheduled dinner with her husband's commanding officer, General Stonewall Jackson. Instead, Jackson was wounded at Chancellorsville and subsequently died of his wounds before the planned dinner could take place, and Mrs. MacDonald carefully packed away the bronze silk dress unworn. Finding it on display at the Museum of the Confederacy, along with Mrs. MacDonald's daughter's beloved doll which she also mentioned in her diary, was worth the trip for me and brought me to tears because I knew the story behind the scenes as it were. My husband, by contrast, had been reading a specific soldier's diary on our trip, and was thrilled to find the man's uniform coat down in the climate controlled storage units.And if you're looking for pretty stuff, the Valentine Museum is just down the street from the Museum of the Confederacy. They have one of the largest collections of women's historical clothing in the United States. They are also amenable to scheduled trips into the archives to examine their pieces. And again, we found the museum curator VERY accommodating, and spent several hours examining any number of garments over and above the allowed number before we adjourned for an impromptu lunch to discuss historic clothing. One place I haven't heard anyone mention is a bit off the beaten path. About four years ago, my girlfriend took me to the University of Rhode Island to see their historic clothing collection. I found a fabulous variety of women's dresses, outerwear, bonnets, shoes, accessorites, etc. that was very comprehensive between 1800-1920. Again, we were assigned a graduate student who was very accommodating and basically turned us and our cameras loose to spend a wonderful afternoon playing in the store room. I couldn't tell you the exact number of items they have, but I know I burned through two 1 gig memory cards in the digital camera in short order, and had to go down and get my friend's digi out of the car.Bottom line: I guess you get out of something what you're willing to put into it. If you're well-versed and interested in what a specific museum has on display, you'll probably go home happy. If you don't have a specific knowledge or interest, you're far more likely to go home disappointed. A friend just returned from a trip to China. She now regrets that she didn't learn more about Chinese history and culture BEFORE her trip, because many of the things she saw had little significance for her without the background knowledge.One other place I just remembered--if you're interested in historic military uniforms, an absolute must-see is the Artillery Museum in Newport, RI. Absolutely wonderful, lots of great things on display, and once again, tremendously accommodating docents and curator.LuAnn Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 14:31:13 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] your dream costume trip To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC:--- Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:travel the world and see every costume related museum you could what would you want to see.I'd prioritize several ways. Places I havent been: Museum of the Confederacy (Richmond VA)--cin Cynthia Bar,nes I was distinctly unimpressed by the Museum of the Confederacy. Costuming-specific, they has a little lacey knit mitt on display, which was labelled crochet. Unless crochet now means knit with holes in? The few far between other clothing items on display were largely nothing that impressed me. fwiw. Ann in CT p.s., the whole 'rmance of the glorious South' has pretty much passed me by; and this was before I read the letter about an uncle of mine getting his head blown off. ac Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Tear-away briefs
Thanks, Andy - I will see the actor tomorrow and offer him your suggestion. I think it may be the perfect solution, since we are down to the wire with production. This actor is also a costumer, and he recently worked The Full Monty. He told me their tear-away trousers used lightweight velcro with whopper poppers at the stress points. I also think trying to make a regulation pair of tight-whiteys stable enough to tear away for more than one performance is a much more tedious job than it's worth. Thanks, y'all! Allison P. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1920s
When we did the miniseries The Wedding for Harpo productions here in Wilmington, there was a flashback scene to a 1920's Deb ball, for wealthy blacks. Many of the girls were well set up. We made a bunch of bust binding thingies out of 8 wide elastic. It was rather study, eager to spring back to its smallest measurement. We cut a length about 3 smaller than bust size and put hook and eye tape on each end. The scene looked great, BTW, with all those dark skinned girls in their cream and white 20's dresses of lots of beaded chiffon, lace and ribbons, with handkerchief hems. They all had huge corsages, mostly white and peach flowers. The black men in tails. Looked great! ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
