RE: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT
The lion's mane is polar fleece cut into stripes. but yeah they don't say it on the outside of the package. With the lion you can use long fake fur for the mane as a sub. example of long hair fake fur: http://www.distinctivefabric.com/fabric.php?product=SLDLGHRFUR1 De -Original Message- They don't mention what the lion's mane is made of, either (looks like crinkled strips of Kraft paper, which I don't think I'd want to put on a toddler...). Wouldn't a shopper want to know these things before getting home (if in fact the directions provide this information)? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner On Sep 23, 2007, at 3:32 PM, otsisto wrote: Looks like long haired fake fur almost similar to the skunk ridge. Their notions section doesn't say fringe but it doesn't say long hair fake fur like it does for the skunk. You might get a clue from the instructions and you might want to notify McCall about they oversite with the monkey face hairs in the notions section. May try contacting McCalls and ask them what they used. They might tell you. It isn't fringe. De -Original Message- Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I am making the monkey costume for a nephew from this pattern. http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/4/itm_img/M8938.jpg I have no idea where to get the fringe for the face. Have any of you seen anything like it? Worse comes to worse, I'll get horsehair and make my own, but. Thanks, Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT
This looks about right...thanks for the suggestions. http://www.clothdollsupply.com/images/hair/DH-PLT.jpg - Original Message - From: Melody Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT It doesn't loook like fringe per say to me, it looks more like a weft of wig hair, like if you took apart a halloween wig, i.e: an old lady or white witch wig. I'd say try that. Melody ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT
Fake fur is the best way to go, for sure...says one who has made a 'Noah's Arc' of animals in the other life What ever, keep it soft around the face. Many kids are especially sensitive to any kind of roughness or texture they are not used to. And with the fur, remember to cut it on the back side ! that way you will preserve the 'guard hair' and get the longest lengths preserved. The strip you need should be less than an inch in width; be sure to determine the direction of the fall (nap on other piled fabrics). Cut a small strip as a test and comb it out; drape around a curved item like maybe a water bottle or ball, and see how the hair falls. When you are getting the look you want, cut and put it in a dryer (no heat!!!) to remove all the loose stuff. It can be combed or brushed, but the dryer trick keeps the fiber dust to a minimum. And, instructions for the mother: Do not place hood in hot water or a dryer for cleaning! The longhair stuff will shrivel and mat. Don't know the yardage on this monkey, but remember that the fabric is usually 60 wide. Buy the smallest amount the source allows. if you are buying craft squares, one will do. Have fun! Kathleen - Original Message - From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 1:33 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT The lion's mane is polar fleece cut into stripes. but yeah they don't say it on the outside of the package. With the lion you can use long fake fur for the mane as a sub. example of long hair fake fur: http://www.distinctivefabric.com/fabric.php?product=SLDLGHRFUR1 De -Original Message- They don't mention what the lion's mane is made of, either (looks like crinkled strips of Kraft paper, which I don't think I'd want to put on a toddler...). Wouldn't a shopper want to know these things before getting home (if in fact the directions provide this information)? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner On Sep 23, 2007, at 3:32 PM, otsisto wrote: Looks like long haired fake fur almost similar to the skunk ridge. Their notions section doesn't say fringe but it doesn't say long hair fake fur like it does for the skunk. You might get a clue from the instructions and you might want to notify McCall about they oversite with the monkey face hairs in the notions section. May try contacting McCalls and ask them what they used. They might tell you. It isn't fringe. De -Original Message- Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I am making the monkey costume for a nephew from this pattern. http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/4/itm_img/M8938.jpg I have no idea where to get the fringe for the face. Have any of you seen anything like it? Worse comes to worse, I'll get horsehair and make my own, but. Thanks, Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Valuation of collection
Heather said: Just a brief idea: the method of valuation depends on the purpose. If you were setting a value to something for insurance, that would different from estimating what to charge for a commission, etc. It seems to me (but IANAL) that in the context of a divorce, the key question is what is the liquidatable value of this property? Spoken like finance professional. Also, Kathy, you are selling used clothing, and not your time effort. As Heather says, that would be considered in the replacement cost of each item. During your term of ownership, you've used up some portion of the original value of each of these assets. What you are recouping now is the, unfortunately termed, salvage value of the items. No one has mentioned this side: If you are trying to value these costumes and keep them, then you'd certainly want to price them as used, low value, unsaleable items for purposes of sharing out the assets of the marriage. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Costume brag books online
Thanks to all who shared. I happily wasted an hour or more looking... --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Ruffs in modern use
I'm reading this weeks Economist 22 Sept 07 International section, and found a picture of a clergyman (woman?) hard to tell s/he has a very soft face) in low ruff. The text says this might be a lutheran bishop. I always thought ruffs, even for the clergy, had gone the way of the dodo. http://www.economist.com/daily/news/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9854782 --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ruffs in modern use
Hah, they use them at every service here in denmark. Tania Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm reading this weeks Economist 22 Sept 07 International section, and found a picture of a clergyman (woman?) hard to tell s/he has a very soft face) in low ruff. The text says this might be a lutheran bishop. I always thought ruffs, even for the clergy, had gone the way of the dodo. http://www.economist.com/daily/news/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9854782 --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ruffs in modern use
At 18:36 24/09/2007, you wrote: I'm reading this weeks Economist 22 Sept 07 International section, and found a picture of a clergyman (woman?) hard to tell s/he has a very soft face) in low ruff. The text says this might be a lutheran bishop. I always thought ruffs, even for the clergy, had gone the way of the dodo. http://www.economist.com/daily/news/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9854782 --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] I recently made a ruff for a civic official of a town in England. Mind you - they do wear very archaic clothing, based on Elizabethan/Tudor flat hats, academic gowns and so on. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] ruffs in modern use
Here you can see the danish ruffs how they are pleated in the organ piped pleats: http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/artikel/78158 Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use
Forgot to mention you can see the ruff to the left how it looks when it has ben starched in rice starch, next she uses the hot iron 8 times in all before the pleats are satisfied in look. She tells it is a job for a pensioneer, because it takes long time.. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:36 PM Subject: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use Here you can see the danish ruffs how they are pleated in the organ piped pleats: http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/artikel/78158 Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Valuation of collection
What I'd like to know is if most of these costumes are made for and worn by her and her daughter and thus proof of ownership, it therefore should NOT be shared property unless HE has been wearing the items himself as well. His lawyer can not make her sell the costumes. If she sells the costumes then the money becomes shared property but until then, again, unless he wears them as well, they are her's. All commissioned costumes need to be sold to the ones that commissioned them then that money is shared property. All costumes not sewn for anyone in particular or a customer backed out would be sold and money becomes shared property. It sounds like she needs another lawyer and if she doesn't have one she needs to try to find a pro bono (sp?) one. If the husband is the one filing for divorce for reasons of another woman then he is in the hot seat position and he should be making the concession. There is one thing that one SHOULD NOT do is find physical ways to get even. One may be angry at the jerk but burning clothes, destroying their stuff will not put the judge's or judge advocate 's mood to your side. And if children are involved do not act like a child or bad mouth the other person in front of the child as there is enough problems the child has to work through emotionally with a divorce. De Personal opinion and not a lawyer. -Original Message- Heather said: Just a brief idea: the method of valuation depends on the purpose. If you were setting a value to something for insurance, that would different from estimating what to charge for a commission, etc. It seems to me (but IANAL) that in the context of a divorce, the key question is what is the liquidatable value of this property? Spoken like finance professional. Also, Kathy, you are selling used clothing, and not your time effort. As Heather says, that would be considered in the replacement cost of each item. During your term of ownership, you've used up some portion of the original value of each of these assets. What you are recouping now is the, unfortunately termed, salvage value of the items. No one has mentioned this side: If you are trying to value these costumes and keep them, then you'd certainly want to price them as used, low value, unsaleable items for purposes of sharing out the assets of the marriage. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use
Really cool! I had no idea they were in use today. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use
I'm lazy. I sewed fishing line in the edge of my ruff so I don't have to starch it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:40 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use Forgot to mention you can see the ruff to the left how it looks when it has ben starched in rice starch, next she uses the hot iron 8 times in all before the pleats are satisfied in look. She tells it is a job for a pensioneer, because it takes long time.. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:36 PM Subject: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use Here you can see the danish ruffs how they are pleated in the organ piped pleats: http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/artikel/78158 Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Valuation of collection
otsisto wrote: What I'd like to know is if most of these costumes are made for and worn by her and her daughter and thus proof of ownership, it therefore should NOT be shared property unless HE has been wearing the items himself as well. I think that depends on the state you live in. For example, I live in California, which is a community property state. Legally half my earnings and half my personal possessions belong to my husband--and vice versa. My creditors could attach property in his name, or part of his earnings--and his creditors could attach my property and earnings. I've lived happily with the same man since I was 18, so I know little about divorce. However, the little I've gathered from seeing other people's California divorces indicates that any financial arrangement the couple can manage to negotiate together, and legally sign up to, is valid. For example, if one party is willing to let the other party retain certain assets, their value doesn't really matter. I've never known anyone to force liquidation to divide up property for a divorce; though I suppose someone somewhere must have done it. So frankly, I think the strategy is for her to convince her soon-to-be-ex-husband that her partly-worn clothes, in her own personal size, are of little value or use to him. Probably in return for giving up something else that _he_ wants, but which is hopefully something she does not actually want. Of course, that may be exactly what he's doing claiming her wardrobe--trying to get her to give up her claim to something _he_ wants much more than a bunch of women's clothes. Failing that, to hire an official appraiser--and try to get one who will stress the low value of the wardrobe, its worn condition, unique sizing, unsuitability for ordinary daily use (after all, we're not talking about new Prada handbags or diamond necklaces here, something the average lawyer or jury would attach more value to than historic costume), etc. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Valuation of collection--again
BTW, I don't see that a father has any claim on his children's (or stepchildren's, if that's the case) personal posessions in a divorce suit. He's not divorcing the daughter. Fran Lavolta Press wrote: otsisto wrote: What I'd like to know is if most of these costumes are made for and worn by her and her daughter and thus proof of ownership, it therefore should NOT be shared property unless HE has been wearing the items himself as well. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Valuation of collection
I have a friend who is both a lawyer and a costumed weirdo like the rest of us. He practices here in California, but he might be able to provide some guidance. Contact information available on request. MaggiRos --- otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I'd like to know is if most of these costumes are made for and worn by her and her daughter and thus proof of ownership, it therefore should NOT be shared property unless HE has been wearing the items himself as well. [...] Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Valuation of collection--again
So any costume that is the daughter's stays with the daughter and should not be up for sale unless the daughter wishes to sell it. Right? De -Original Message- BTW, I don't see that a father has any claim on his children's (or stepchildren's, if that's the case) personal posessions in a divorce suit. He's not divorcing the daughter. Fran Lavolta Press wrote: ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Valuation of collection--again
Well, I'd think so. Fran otsisto wrote: So any costume that is the daughter's stays with the daughter and should not be up for sale unless the daughter wishes to sell it. Right? De -Original Message- BTW, I don't see that a father has any claim on his children's (or stepchildren's, if that's the case) personal posessions in a divorce suit. He's not divorcing the daughter. Fran Lavolta Press wrote: ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] ruffs on the head?
Here i found an interresting article looking for ruffs. This is older though and not a collar but a headwear, medieval. Nice reconstruktion: http://www.aabne-samlinger.dk/naestved/historie/hoveddug.pdf Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets
Again they only show the back of it, and in this lighting you can't see how magnificently metallic it is. The museum now dates it to 1610-1615. There's a color picture of the front in Adolph Cavallo's Needlework. Unfortunately you can't see the metallic-ness in that photo either but the jacket is being worn by a mannequin which may also be wearing a matching coif. I'm not sure about the coif, not with my books right now. --lisa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets
On Sep 24, 2007, at 6:38 AM, Catherine Kinsey wrote: I finally found it on the web site: snip Accession number: 43.243 Again they only show the back of it, and in this lighting you can't see how magnificently metallic it is. The museum now dates it to 1610-1615. I wonder if they disproved the connection to Elizabeth I, who died in 1603. Unlikely, I'd think. Barring the discovery of new documents, a connection with a famous person is pretty difficult either to prove or to disprove. The date says about, which I would guess means they are probably fairly confident about which quarter of the 17th century it's from, and maybe the decade, but wouldn't want to narrow it down too much beyond that without some more research. The MFA Boston actually has a pretty decent textiles collection, but for a long time they had NO gallery space allotted to it, and even now there is only one textiles gallery. So most of the collection sits in storage. They do, however, make it fairly easy to purchase a good photo of many of their items, even if they're not on display. There might also be someone in the Boston area on this list who'd be interested in taking a closer look at it. (I'm only in that area for a couple of days twice a year or so, visiting my Dad.) In my experience, if you have a good reason to want to see something close up, you can usually make an appointment to see something backstage and take photos for your own private use. (You still probably won't be able to touch things -- a staff member will be with you, though, so things can be turned over for you to see both sides.) This type of jacket (obviously) is not knitted, but the MFA also does have several knitted jackets from about the same time period. If anyone's in the Yahoo [HistoricKnit] group, my photos of three of the knitted jackets from the MFA are in a photo album called jackets there. (That's http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HistoricKnit/ ) OChris Laning [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Subject: [h-cost] Valuation of collection
Having gone some of this route myself... be very careful about validation. And don't get trapped into what he's saying. The rules for things like books and clothing are garage sale prices. (Boy, did I skate by on my book collection. Tilki = $2 G) And, the reality is, if you try to sell the pieces... they sell as used. Not only are you likely to not get your labor, but not get your material costs at liquidation prices... which is what you've got to use. Don't be prideful and values them at what they're worth to you, or insurance rates. Ex: My Snow Queen had over $1500 in materials alone and was in excellent condition. It could sized up and down a lot was covered in hand beading and crystal and all kinds of extras from wig to shoes. I worked on it for over 2 years to create a living sculpture Even with the most advertising I could muster, and selling near Halloween, it went for under $325. I couldn't even get e-bay sales on some of the other things because they were not what folks wanted. They ended up sold to neighbors and thrift shops for $25 to $35, even with hand beadings and embroidery... because to them they were just rental costumes... and not the flashy kind. (The exception was a flashy disaster of a t-tunic that had never been finished that folks fought over because they though it said Harry Potter... and I made money on that thing.) If your hubby argues at the low set prices. Ask if he'll split the cost of having someone come in and value them value-for-sale prices... and use a vintage clothing/costume dealer, not a historic expert. IF he doesn't like it, ask him to do the work of listing the pieces you're selling on e-bay and see what you get (and then value the pieces you're keeping from the same prices.) There is NO need for you to dance to his tune. He's forfeit any claim at this point to even suggest. Go with the letter of the law. -Cat- Been there, done that, and even lost the t-shirt off my back but at least I have a spine now. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
