[h-cost] is this based on a real portrait?
I've been looking at the cover photo on my copy of Butterick 3713 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2119647295_6faec963f3_o.jpg and I've always thought that this was based on a real portrait or image of Queen Victoria, but I can't find a portrait of Queen Victoria that looks like this or even a portrait of Queen Victoria in Gold, can anyone else think of a real Victorian image this might be based on? thanks Elizabeth ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait?
I have seen a similar style worn by someone portraying QV but I do not recall any of her portraits having this style. Most gowns that she worn before she became a widow had some sort of lace on it or ruffle. Do note that the pattern has the waistline to low. Actually I believe that Queen Elizabeth II wore something like this gown in her early years. QV, age 24 close http://www.scholars.nus.edu.sg/victorian/painting/victoria/winter3.jpg Victorian dresses http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=3IEN=1805 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2I=881 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2I=170 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2I=140 http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_500.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item9668.htm -Original Message- I've been looking at the cover photo on my copy of Butterick 3713 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2119647295_6faec963f3_o.jpg and I've always thought that this was based on a real portrait or image of Queen Victoria, but I can't find a portrait of Queen Victoria that looks like this or even a portrait of Queen Victoria in Gold, can anyone else think of a real Victorian image this might be based on? thanks Elizabeth ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Embroidered velvet on sale at Fabric.com
I just received a Deal-of-the-Day notice from Fabric.com about embroidered velvet. Here's the link to the site: http://www.fabric.com/CategoryDetail.aspx?CategoryID=1c5af352-ea9c-424c-8b28-f459278d3af9 Some of the fabrics are cotton velvet, some are rayon/silk velvet. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait?
I believe it is based on one; check out any formal portrait of the 1840's-1850's of Queen Victoria in evening dress, because the neckline looks evening. The Butterick pattern looks more like an interpretation of the 1840's than 1850's. You might have luck in finding pictures of Queen Victoria in such dress made when she and Prince Albert made a state visit to France. I don't know about gold, but I think her formal coronation gown was gold. Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:01 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? I have seen a similar style worn by someone portraying QV but I do not recall any of her portraits having this style. Most gowns that she worn before she became a widow had some sort of lace on it or ruffle. Do note that the pattern has the waistline to low. Actually I believe that Queen Elizabeth II wore something like this gown in her early years. QV, age 24 close http://www.scholars.nus.edu.sg/victorian/painting/victoria/winter3.jpg Victorian dresses http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=3IEN=1805 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2I=881 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2I=170 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2I=140 http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_500.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item9668.htm -Original Message- I've been looking at the cover photo on my copy of Butterick 3713 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2119647295_6faec963f3_o.jpg and I've always thought that this was based on a real portrait or image of Queen Victoria, but I can't find a portrait of Queen Victoria that looks like this or even a portrait of Queen Victoria in Gold, can anyone else think of a real Victorian image this might be based on? thanks Elizabeth ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun
I did put my hair in a pony tail but obviously did not use enough pins. Not even enough for me to find my way out of the mall as they scattered on the floor behind me. I will have to look into the more massive hair pins you describe. Thank you! Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Do any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones hair in a bun I have to admit I'm one of those disgusting ones whose hair stays in a bun pretty much by itself (can't braid it though because the cohesion is too much). _However_, if you put the hair in a pony tail first and then wrap your hair around the hair band, you'll have better success. The rubber band will be taking the structural load of holding the hair up instead of the bobby pins. The hair band won't show and you can anchor the bobby pins in the rubber band as well, adding another layer of structure. I have to say that I've also had better success with true hair pins (looks like a V) instead of bobby pins, but that might just be my hair. --Kathy K. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun
The best answer, then, is to costume yourself as the White Queen from Lewis Carroll's THROUGH THE LOOKING-GLASS, and celebrate the scattered hairpins and flying hair as costuming detail at its best! http://www.art.com/asp/sp-asp/_/pd--12385785/sp--A/White_Queen_Alice_Adjusts_the_White_Queens_Shawl.htm -Original Message- From: Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 16, 2007 9:16 PM To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun I did put my hair in a pony tail but obviously did not use enough pins. Not even enough for me to find my way out of the mall as they scattered on the floor behind me. I will have to look into the more massive hair pins you describe. Thank you! Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Do any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones hair in a bun I have to admit I'm one of those disgusting ones whose hair stays in a bun pretty much by itself (can't braid it though because the cohesion is too much). _However_, if you put the hair in a pony tail first and then wrap your hair around the hair band, you'll have better success. The rubber band will be taking the structural load of holding the hair up instead of the bobby pins. The hair band won't show and you can anchor the bobby pins in the rubber band as well, adding another layer of structure. I have to say that I've also had better success with true hair pins (looks like a V) instead of bobby pins, but that might just be my hair. --Kathy K. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait?
My take on this is that it was taken from the VA recent film and not from life. I do not believe that there are not many portrait pictures done of Victoria on canvas. Since she enters history at the beginning of the photographic method of capturing likenesses, most of what we know of her can be documented on film (or tintype, dagaeru. and etc. The comment made re the waistline setting is right-on. Most interpretations of mid 19th century clothing for women do not have the body proportion of bodice and skirt in line with the aesthetic of that period. Kathleen - Original Message - From: Abel, Cynthia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? I believe it is based on one; check out any formal portrait of the 1840's-1850's of Queen Victoria in evening dress, because the neckline looks evening. The Butterick pattern looks more like an interpretation of the 1840's than 1850's. You might have luck in finding pictures of Queen Victoria in such dress made when she and Prince Albert made a state visit to France. I don't know about gold, but I think her formal coronation gown was gold. Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:01 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? I have seen a similar style worn by someone portraying QV but I do not recall any of her portraits having this style. Most gowns that she worn before she became a widow had some sort of lace on it or ruffle. Do note that the pattern has the waistline to low. Actually I believe that Queen Elizabeth II wore something like this gown in her early years. QV, age 24 close http://www.scholars.nus.edu.sg/victorian/painting/victoria/winter3.jpg Victorian dresses http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=3IEN=1805 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2I=881 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2I=170 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2I=140 http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_500.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item9668.htm -Original Message- I've been looking at the cover photo on my copy of Butterick 3713 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2119647295_6faec963f3_o.jpg and I've always thought that this was based on a real portrait or image of Queen Victoria, but I can't find a portrait of Queen Victoria that looks like this or even a portrait of Queen Victoria in Gold, can anyone else think of a real Victorian image this might be based on? thanks Elizabeth ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun
Good idea. Obviously, that had been my unintended model... Well, then, I pulled it off very well. Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun The best answer, then, is to costume yourself as the White Queen from Lewis Carroll's THROUGH THE LOOKING-GLASS, and celebrate the scattered hairpins and flying hair as costuming detail at its best! http://www.art.com/asp/sp-asp/_/pd--12385785/sp--A/White_Queen_Alice_Adjusts_the_White_Queens_Shawl.htm ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] is this based on a real portrait?
It looks based on one. It might not be possible to find a portrait of Queen Vic in gold, because after Prince albert died she insisted that all the portraits of her (well, all possible) were altered to show her in mourning dress - according to a painting expert from (I think) Christie's. In a message dated 18/12/2007 19:02:35 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:51:03 +1100 From: Elizabeth Walpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? To: Historic Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I've been looking at the cover photo on my copy of Butterick 3713 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2119647295_6faec963f3_o.jpg and I've always thought that this was based on a real portrait or image of Queen Victoria, but I can't find a portrait of Queen Victoria that looks like this or even a portrait of Queen Victoria in Gold, can anyone else think of a real Victorian image this might be based on? thanks Elizabeth ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait?
In the book, Victorian and Edwardian Fashion, by Alison Gernsheim, there is a photo of a woman in a dress with a very similar neckline. It is dated 1845. (plate 14, if you have the book) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LLOYD MITCHELL Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:08 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? My take on this is that it was taken from the VA recent film and not from life. I do not believe that there are not many portrait pictures done of Victoria on canvas. Since she enters history at the beginning of the photographic method of capturing likenesses, most of what we know of her can be documented on film (or tintype, dagaeru. and etc. The comment made re the waistline setting is right-on. Most interpretations of mid 19th century clothing for women do not have the body proportion of bodice and skirt in line with the aesthetic of that period. Kathleen - Original Message - From: Abel, Cynthia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? I believe it is based on one; check out any formal portrait of the 1840's-1850's of Queen Victoria in evening dress, because the neckline looks evening. The Butterick pattern looks more like an interpretation of the 1840's than 1850's. You might have luck in finding pictures of Queen Victoria in such dress made when she and Prince Albert made a state visit to France. I don't know about gold, but I think her formal coronation gown was gold. Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:01 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? I have seen a similar style worn by someone portraying QV but I do not recall any of her portraits having this style. Most gowns that she worn before she became a widow had some sort of lace on it or ruffle. Do note that the pattern has the waistline to low. Actually I believe that Queen Elizabeth II wore something like this gown in her early years. QV, age 24 close http://www.scholars.nus.edu.sg/victorian/painting/victoria/winter3.jpg Victorian dresses http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=3IEN=1805 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2I=881 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2I=170 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2I=140 http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_500.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item9668.htm -Original Message- I've been looking at the cover photo on my copy of Butterick 3713 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2119647295_6faec963f3_o.jpg and I've always thought that this was based on a real portrait or image of Queen Victoria, but I can't find a portrait of Queen Victoria that looks like this or even a portrait of Queen Victoria in Gold, can anyone else think of a real Victorian image this might be based on? thanks Elizabeth ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
