Re: [h-cost] maker's labels in clothing
The earliest one I know of, remarkable for its rarity, is a man's tartan worsted cloak c 1828-1830 with a label stating it's made by John Eyre of New Bond Street, London. Otherwise, Suzi is on the right track, they appear more and more from the 1860s. I don't know if you can count the imprints of manufacturers such as Thomsons on their crinolines as dressmakers/tailors. There are labels in hats from the 1830s at least, shoes even earlier. By the 1880s it's quite common in produced clothing. I could put you in touch with someone who's researching this for a thesis if it would be helpful. cheers, Hilary Subject: [h-cost] maker's labels in clothing From: Beth Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.3.1 unnamed [text/plain] 0.26 KB Has anyone researched when dressmakers/tailors first starting putting labels in their goods? In particular I'm interested in the mid 19th century. I know House of Worth was marking their goods by the 1890's but I'm hoping for something earlier. Beth Chamberlain ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] maker's labels in clothing - resending
Sorry all, the top bit of the post fell off. It was meant to read: The earliest, rare example I know of is a man's worsted tartan cape dated 1828-30, with a label proclaiming it to be made by John Eyre of New Bond Street, London. Otherwise, Suzi is on the right track, they appear more and more from the 1860s. I don't know if you can count the imprints of manufacturers such as Thomsons on their crinolines as dressmakers/tailors. There are labels in hats from the 1830s at least, shoes even earlier. By the 1880s it's quite common in produced clothing. I could put you in touch with someone who's researching this for a thesis if it would be helpful. cheers, Hilary Has anyone researched when dressmakers/tailors first starting putting labels in their goods? In particular I'm interested in the mid 19th century. I know House of Worth was marking their goods by the 1890's but I'm hoping for something earlier. Beth Chamberlain ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] 18th/19th century clothing resources
I've sending this in behalf of a friend who is looking for websites, books or other reseruces as reference for 18th and 19th century clothing. The paragraph below is a cut and paste from her email (with permission): The book I am editing is set in late 1700's-early 1800's Scotland. The second book is early 1800's, set in the Caribbean islands (with English and French, and island people) as well as London and Scotland, perhaps Paris. Anything you send on costumes will be tucked away and used. It's so important to get these details right, so having resources I can trust is huge. If you have any suggestions of where she can look, please let me know, or you can email me off-list if you prefer. Thanks in advance, Melissa goslomo at gmail dot com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] maker's labels in clothing
Has anyone researched when dressmakers/tailors first starting putting labels in their goods? TO BE PICKY, it goes way, way back to the idea of tradesmen or craftsmen leaving thier mark in or on thier work (remember the joke about the Nike flash on the armour in A Knight's Tale?). It initially involved a notch, a hammered mark (in leather, for instance), a particular shaped stitch or letter stitched in to clothing to define the maker. I have no hard evidence as to when these vanity marks became more formal such as manufacturers' tags but vaguely recall reading early-to-mid-19th century as when it came about, in line with factory production, mail order catalogues, and so on. I hope this helps, if not, you can print it to line your cocky's cage, -C. This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] 18th/19th century clothing resources
I'm assuming you know about the ban on tartan and kilts after 1745. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melissa B. Muckart Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:40 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 18th/19th century clothing resources I've sending this in behalf of a friend who is looking for websites, books or other reseruces as reference for 18th and 19th century clothing. The paragraph below is a cut and paste from her email (with permission): The book I am editing is set in late 1700's-early 1800's Scotland. The second book is early 1800's, set in the Caribbean islands (with English and French, and island people) as well as London and Scotland, perhaps Paris. Anything you send on costumes will be tucked away and used. It's so important to get these details right, so having resources I can trust is huge. If you have any suggestions of where she can look, please let me know, or you can email me off-list if you prefer. Thanks in advance, Melissa goslomo at gmail dot com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] OT a farewell.
For those of us, like me, who stupidly lost your website address, would you please post it so that I can bookmark it and check out your wonderful work from time to time? Sharon C. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 7:01 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] OT a farewell. Hi all, I hate to do this, but i dont think that h-costume has any topics with my interrests anymore. And as my time is valuable for me, i have desided to leave. Just want to say thanks to all for the nice company and i hope you will have manny interresting disgussions in the future. Take care. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What is a serious costumer?
Andrew Trembley wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good evening to all of you and hope my series of questioning doesn't seem silly but for some reason I am still having trouble trying to decypher the difference between an amateur costumer (myself, one who has a general knowledge of a topic) and one who is a serious costumer, or professional. A professional costumer is someone who loves costuming so much they're willing to work for far less money than they're worth so they don't have to do something else. It often involves a lot of production grunt-work making higher-margin dull and functional items so one can afford the time spent on fancy artistic projects. An amateur costumer is anyone who does it for the fun and the art, regardless of skill level, without looking for financial compensation. Amateurs also can choose to only do the fun projects. I don't think the term professional costumer and serious costumer are synonymous, and neither of them are synonymous with costume scholar --although all three can and do overlap. I know professionals who, frankly, are not nearly as talented as some amateurs I know. I know professionals whose focus is outside the serious study of historical clothing and who are thus not costume scholars. I know amateurs who are costume scholars, as well as a few who make some money off of costuming but not anything approaching a real salary. Plenty of these are serious - but they're not professionals. I also know costume scholars who are not in any real sense of the word costumers. They study historic clothing and its aspects (textiles, etc.) but do not make costumes. And I think the lines between all of these are not clear. They're more like three intersecting circles describing one's involvement in costume and costume research. I think we need to be careful about terminology. Amateur has unfortunately lost most of its original, lovely meaning and is sometimes misinterpreted as unknowledgeable, second-rate, slapdash, etc. The academic world has now evolved the term independent scholar, which is no longer quite the pejorative it once was. Susan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] OT a farewell.
I think he has already left. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/ -Original Message- For those of us, like me, who stupidly lost your website address, would you please post it so that I can bookmark it and check out your wonderful work from time to time? Sharon C. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
