[h-cost] Lace ID Help
Can anyone help me identify what type of lace is on a bodice circa 1900-1906? You can view a photo enlargement of the lace at: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/1900beigebodicelace.jpg Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines
Bambi wrote: WEll actually ...do you remember having the spool with the nails and the yarn got looped over the nail and then you wrapped again and...well if you ever had one...this is making sense...a knitting loom is sort of like that concept with the lay the yarn out nd loops come through and ..gosh im not helping am I? but they come in a few different forms... Bambi I think you mean French knitting. I'be never done it myself but I remember other children doing it in the 1950s. Kate Bunting Cataloguing Data Quality Librarian University of Derby ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Lace ID Help
I'm not clever enough to know the answer, only that it is not one of the types of lace that I make myself. However, there are lots of experts at the Arachne list [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you prefer, I'll be happy to pass on your enquiry to them, and forward replies to you. Linda Walton (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). Penny Ladnier wrote: Can anyone help me identify what type of lace is on a bodice circa 1900-1906? You can view a photo enlargement of the lace at: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/1900beigebodicelace.jpg Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Lace ID Help
It looks to me like Battenburg lace. At work... that's all I can think of without my books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Lace ID Help
It looks like Irish crochet, most likely imitating gros point de Venise needle lace or the like. Beyond Pat Earnshaw's books, which are great for finer earlier laces but not more modern cheaper laces, a book I find easy to use for quick lace id is: Guide to Lace and Linens, by Elizabeth M. Kurella isbn 0-930625-89-7 Katy On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:02 AM, Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone help me identify what type of lace is on a bodice circa 1900-1906? You can view a photo enlargement of the lace at: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/1900beigebodicelace.jpg Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Lace ID Help
Excactly what i would say, i also looked in Pat Earnshaws book, but there was none like this. But i think you are quite right with this! Bjarne - Original Message - From: Katy Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lace ID Help It looks like Irish crochet, most likely imitating gros point de Venise needle lace or the like. Beyond Pat Earnshaw's books, which are great for finer earlier laces but not more modern cheaper laces, a book I find easy to use for quick lace id is: Guide to Lace and Linens, by Elizabeth M. Kurella isbn 0-930625-89-7 Katy On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:02 AM, Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone help me identify what type of lace is on a bodice circa 1900-1906? You can view a photo enlargement of the lace at: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/1900beigebodicelace.jpg Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Lace ID Help
It is Irish Crochet. I recognize the motifs (and if I had some time I could probably find the patterns for them). Onaree On 5/16/08, Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone help me identify what type of lace is on a bodice circa 1900-1906? You can view a photo enlargement of the lace at: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/1900beigebodicelace.jpg Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] renaissance dress
I have uploaded some more pictures. I made a drawing after the portrait and removed the hands from the front, and this is my theory of her skirt. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm I wondered about her juwelry necklace with the big S on it. Her name is Constance, but i found out she was a lady in waiting at the court of the king Christian IV's mother Sofie who came from Mecklenburg. It must be a gift from the queen. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress
Oh you are quite right, sorry about that mistake, Thanks for the informations.. Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress I think that you have a good idea about the skirt but you may be a bit off base on the necklace. If you look closely at the vertical elements you can see they form the initials I and H. In period it was common/fashionable to wear the symbol of 'IHS' which are the Latin initials of Jesus. It was particularly used in the Protestant countries (I'm most familiar with England) because wearing a crucifix was out of favor as being too Papist. Personally, I think this is the most likely explanation although the wearing of initials/symbols of significant people is not out of the question. Karen Seamstrix -- Leif og Bjarne Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have uploaded some more pictures. I made a drawing after the portrait and removed the hands from the front, and this is my theory of her skirt. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm I wondered about her juwelry necklace with the big S on it. Her name is Constance, but i found out she was a lady in waiting at the court of the king Christian IV's mother Sofie who came from Mecklenburg. It must be a gift from the queen. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Boost your productivity with new office software. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mEauJF0hy8b9dqtW7dfMZioyP8RtXNYN7FSyPJEN3RPUghi/?count=1234567890 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress
No need to apologize, I'm just a fresh set of eyes looking at it. I'm sure you would have realized it eventually. I can't wait to see the finished product! (But I'll make do with the interesting 'in progress' postings in the mean time.) Karen Seamstrix -- Leif og Bjarne Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh you are quite right, sorry about that mistake, Thanks for the informations.. Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress I think that you have a good idea about the skirt but you may be a bit off base on the necklace. If you look closely at the vertical elements you can see they form the initials I and H. In period it was common/fashionable to wear the symbol of 'IHS' which are the Latin initials of Jesus. It was particularly used in the Protestant countries (I'm most familiar with England) because wearing a crucifix was out of favor as being too Papist. Personally, I think this is the most likely explanation although the wearing of initials/symbols of significant people is not out of the question. Karen Seamstrix -- Leif og Bjarne Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have uploaded some more pictures. I made a drawing after the portrait and removed the hands from the front, and this is my theory of her skirt. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm I wondered about her juwelry necklace with the big S on it. Her name is Constance, but i found out she was a lady in waiting at the court of the king Christian IV's mother Sofie who came from Mecklenburg. It must be a gift from the queen. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Boost your productivity with new office software. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mEauJF0hy8b9dqtW7dfMZioyP8RtXNYN7FSyPJEN3RPUghi/?count=1234567890 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Click here to become certified in medical billing and training at these schools. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3ol4Ju547MllPNBke42Cmnn2ui3OzXKVDT0dktzD1FaOro7e/?count=1234567890 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress
I think that you have a good idea about the skirt but you may be a bit off base on the necklace. If you look closely at the vertical elements you can see they form the initials I and H. In period it was common/fashionable to wear the symbol of 'IHS' which are the Latin initials of Jesus. It was particularly used in the Protestant countries (I'm most familiar with England) because wearing a crucifix was out of favor as being too Papist. Personally, I think this is the most likely explanation although the wearing of initials/symbols of significant people is not out of the question. Karen Seamstrix -- Leif og Bjarne Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have uploaded some more pictures. I made a drawing after the portrait and removed the hands from the front, and this is my theory of her skirt. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm I wondered about her juwelry necklace with the big S on it. Her name is Constance, but i found out she was a lady in waiting at the court of the king Christian IV's mother Sofie who came from Mecklenburg. It must be a gift from the queen. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Boost your productivity with new office software. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mEauJF0hy8b9dqtW7dfMZioyP8RtXNYN7FSyPJEN3RPUghi/?count=1234567890 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Lace ID Help
Can anyone help me identify what type of lace is on a bodice circa 1900-1906? You can view a photo enlargement of the lace at: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/1900beigebodicelace.jpg I'm not a lace expert, but I do have a Lace Dictionary published in 1913. I went through the whole book, and the closest I could match it to was Crochet Lace, also known as Irish Lace, raised Rose point, Point de Trico or Honiton crochet to indicate the character of the design more than the technique. There is more to the entry if anyone is interested. There is a photo of the crochet lace at: http://www.mantua-maker.com/id24.html (or, if my sitebuilder gets repaired, at: http://www.mantua-maker.com/crochet_lace_photo.html) Click on the photo for a larger view. If anybody has a better guess, I'll look up the entry and post it, too. Regards, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian www.mantua-maker.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress
If you hadnt told me, i would never have guessed because i was so sure about the S and Queen Sofie. I also noted that the same thing occurs round her neck in the smaller jewellry. Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress No need to apologize, I'm just a fresh set of eyes looking at it. I'm sure you would have realized it eventually. I can't wait to see the finished product! (But I'll make do with the interesting 'in progress' postings in the mean time.) Karen Seamstrix -- Leif og Bjarne Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh you are quite right, sorry about that mistake, Thanks for the informations.. Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress I think that you have a good idea about the skirt but you may be a bit off base on the necklace. If you look closely at the vertical elements you can see they form the initials I and H. In period it was common/fashionable to wear the symbol of 'IHS' which are the Latin initials of Jesus. It was particularly used in the Protestant countries (I'm most familiar with England) because wearing a crucifix was out of favor as being too Papist. Personally, I think this is the most likely explanation although the wearing of initials/symbols of significant people is not out of the question. Karen Seamstrix -- Leif og Bjarne Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have uploaded some more pictures. I made a drawing after the portrait and removed the hands from the front, and this is my theory of her skirt. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm I wondered about her juwelry necklace with the big S on it. Her name is Constance, but i found out she was a lady in waiting at the court of the king Christian IV's mother Sofie who came from Mecklenburg. It must be a gift from the queen. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Boost your productivity with new office software. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mEauJF0hy8b9dqtW7dfMZioyP8RtXNYN7FSyPJEN3RPUghi/?count=1234567890 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Click here to become certified in medical billing and training at these schools. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3ol4Ju547MllPNBke42Cmnn2ui3OzXKVDT0dktzD1FaOro7e/?count=1234567890 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mourning in Renaissance Europe
--- Marie Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Widows would usually wear mourning until a second marriage, or for the rest of their lives. One way that a widow could signal a willingness to marry was to put off the black. Although it was socially expected that even a young woman would wear mourning for a husband for at least two years, one year of deepest mourning and at least one year of secondary. (and here I might be slipping into Victorian custom, so I'll stop.) Yes, I think you are. That doesn't sound Elizabethan to me. What I was just reading recently indicates that a month (a period called a month's mind) was considered entirely appropriate for mourning a spouse. Men and women both were expected to remarry, especially if there were children involved. This is from David Cressy's Birth, Marriage, and Death: Ritual, Religion, and the Life-Cycle in Tudor and Stuart England, Oxford University Press, 1997. MaggiRos The Elizabethan World is at http://elizabethan.org coming soon in paperback! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Lace ID Help
Can anyone help me identify what type of lace is on a bodice circa 1900-1906? You can view a photo enlargement of the lace at: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/1900beigebodicelace.jpg Penny Ladnier, Without being able to see it closely, is sure looks like Irish-type crochet. It has the little flower motifs crocheted separately and then crocheted into a ground. Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines
In a message dated 5/14/2008 11:05:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But right now I'm more concerned about sewing myself a couple more outfits than making stockings for other people. It's really hard trying to get some sewing done with a retired husband around. Every time I want to go in my sewing room, he thinks of some other work I should be doing instead. If he's recently retired, sounds like he needs to find his own work he should be doing. I take it he was in management? :-D I hate to suggest he might like the knitting machines, because then you still might not get to work with them yourself. -Carol Actually he was a police officer, retired as a Detective on the force. That's where he gets his in charge personality from. Also he's a workaholic. Work before play he always says and there's always work to do around the house. When it comes to something the kids need though, he doesn't say anything about my sewing. Right now my daughter, who has her own house, wants me to make curtains for her bedroom. I just finished altering a Batman cape for my son. He's 28 and is a paramedic but he still loves his toys. He paid $1500 for this custom made costume. At that price it should have been perfect. I figure if I spend 1 day a week sewing on my garb and spend the evenings doing the hand sewing I should be able to get away without him complaining to me about it. Chris P. **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
