[h-cost] Regency sleeve puffs
Ladies a few gents, I'm trying to find a better picture of a single garment with cotton sleeve puffs filled with down. There's a tiny picture in Payne showing a gal in all a mix of c1825-33 unmentionables. She's wearing a short sleeved something with down-filled crescents to make those late 1820s-early 1830s sleeves take form. My question concerns the nature of the puffs. Does anyone have a better picture, museum description or similar garment? The garment was, when this photo was take, at the Gallery of English Costume, Manchester. The collection URL is http://www.manchestergalleries.org/the-collections/search-the-collection/ but doesnt fully describe the puffs. I'm particularly seeking construction attachment details. The book, Blanche Payne's, History of Costume, 1st ed. p. 492. Thanks all, --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Regency sleeve puffs
Cynthia, there´s a pair of silk sleeve puffs in the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston, though. Unfortunately, I lost the link to it, but I made a kind of reproduction of these and ended up with an oval, 70 by 40 cm, gathered all around and stitched to a triangular piece, 12 cm high and 16 wide with rounded edges. The original seemed to have been fastened around the upper arm and attached to the chemise or dress with three ties. The Kyoto Costume Institute has a pair of sleeve puffs as well, which are cotton chintz (that´s the German name, but it sounds like it could be the English term as well) filled with down and look like rectangular or longish oval pieces pleated or gathered to a smaller foundation. The part that goes under the arm is without the pillow and a bit narrower. It´s in a big book called Fashion, I´m pretty sure I have seen it in English as well, but I can scan and send you the picture. Hanna At 20:23 22.03.2009, you wrote: Ladies a few gents, I'm trying to find a better picture of a single garment with cotton sleeve puffs filled with down. There's a tiny picture in Payne showing a gal in all a mix of c1825-33 unmentionables. She's wearing a short sleeved something with down-filled crescents to make those late 1820s-early 1830s sleeves take form. My question concerns the nature of the puffs. Does anyone have a better picture, museum description or similar garment? The garment was, when this photo was take, at the Gallery of English Costume, Manchester. The collection URL is http://www.manchestergalleries.org/the-collections/search-the-collection/ but doesnt fully describe the puffs. I'm particularly seeking construction attachment details. The book, Blanche Payne's, History of Costume, 1st ed. p. 492. Thanks all, --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Regency sleeve puffs
I recall the photo from memory but don't have time to dig it out. The original mid and late 1820s sources I used for _The Lady's Stratagem_ describe supporting large sleeves with buckram or in one case, stiffened gauze. Fran Lavolta Press New book on 1820s clothing! http://www.lavoltapress.com Cin wrote: Ladies a few gents, I'm trying to find a better picture of a single garment with cotton sleeve puffs filled with down. There's a tiny picture in Payne showing a gal in all a mix of c1825-33 unmentionables. snip ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Regency sleeve puffs
The sleeve puffs from the MFA in Boston (can't find a pic on-line), which I last saw in person about 15 years ago, were made of white, fine china silk and stuffed with down, they weighed almost nothing. There were no obvious attachment ties or the like. They were basically shaped like a dress sleeve with and outer sleeve and more fitted inner sleeve. When I made mine I made a sleeve pattern slightly smaller than my dress' sleeve and made up a fitted inner sleeve. I plan to make ties to attach them, but for now I pin them in place. Saundra Altman of Past Patterns has pattern in her archives that has yet to be published, you might ask her. Does the Workwoman's guide have sleeve puffs? Katy On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Cin cinbar...@gmail.com wrote: Ladies a few gents, I'm trying to find a better picture of a single garment with cotton sleeve puffs filled with down. There's a tiny picture in Payne showing a gal in all a mix of c1825-33 unmentionables. She's wearing a short sleeved something with down-filled crescents to make those late 1820s-early 1830s sleeves take form. My question concerns the nature of the puffs. Does anyone have a better picture, museum description or similar garment? The garment was, when this photo was take, at the Gallery of English Costume, Manchester. The collection URL is http://www.manchestergalleries.org/the-collections/search-the-collection/ but doesnt fully describe the puffs. I'm particularly seeking construction attachment details. The book, Blanche Payne's, History of Costume, 1st ed. p. 492. Thanks all, --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybisho...@gmail.comwww.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Regency sleeve puffs
Found them! http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?recview=trueid=116982coll_keywords=sleeve+puffcoll_accession=coll_name=coll_artist=coll_place=coll_medium=coll_culture=coll_classification=coll_credit=coll_provenance=coll_location=coll_has_images=coll_on_view=coll_sort=0coll_sort_order=0coll_view=0coll_package=0coll_start=1 Hanna At 21:25 22.03.2009, you wrote: The sleeve puffs from the MFA in Boston (can't find a pic on-line), which I last saw in person about 15 years ago, were made of white, fine china silk and stuffed with down, they weighed almost nothing. There were no obvious attachment ties or the like. They were basically shaped like a dress sleeve with and outer sleeve and more fitted inner sleeve. When I made mine I made a sleeve pattern slightly smaller than my dress' sleeve and made up a fitted inner sleeve. I plan to make ties to attach them, but for now I pin them in place. Saundra Altman of Past Patterns has pattern in her archives that has yet to be published, you might ask her. Does the Workwoman's guide have sleeve puffs? Katy On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Cin cinbar...@gmail.com wrote: Ladies a few gents, I'm trying to find a better picture of a single garment with cotton sleeve puffs filled with down. There's a tiny picture in Payne showing a gal in all a mix of c1825-33 unmentionables. She's wearing a short sleeved something with down-filled crescents to make those late 1820s-early 1830s sleeves take form. My question concerns the nature of the puffs. Does anyone have a better picture, museum description or similar garment? The garment was, when this photo was take, at the Gallery of English Costume, Manchester. The collection URL is http://www.manchestergalleries.org/the-collections/search-the-collection/ but doesnt fully describe the puffs. I'm particularly seeking construction attachment details. The book, Blanche Payne's, History of Costume, 1st ed. p. 492. Thanks all, --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybisho...@gmail.comwww.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Regency sleeve puffs
I have a pair of antique down puffs like the ones shown in the Kyoto book. They each have three ties about 8 long that are mated with matching ones in the sleeve head. they work wonderfully well. kathleen -Original Message- From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com Sent 3/22/2009 4:13:01 PM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency sleeve puffsI recall the photo from memory but don't have time to dig it out. The original mid and late 1820s sources I used for _The Lady's Stratagem_ describe supporting large sleeves with buckram or in one case, stiffened gauze. Fran Lavolta Press New book on 1820s clothing!http://www.lavoltapress.com Cin wrote: Ladies a few gents, I'm trying to find a better picture of a single garment with cotton sleeve puffs filled with down. There's a tiny picture in Payne showing a gal in all a mix of c1825-33 unmentionables. snip ___ h-costume mailing list h-cost...@mail.indra.comhttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ??___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Regency sleeve puffs
Thanks, and they do have the ties. Great. Katy On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de wrote: Found them! http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?recview=trueid=116982coll_keywords=sleeve+puffcoll_accession=coll_name=coll_artist=coll_place=coll_medium=coll_culture=coll_classification=coll_credit=coll_provenance=coll_location=coll_has_images=coll_on_view=coll_sort=0coll_sort_order=0coll_view=0coll_package=0coll_start=1 Hanna At 21:25 22.03.2009, you wrote: The sleeve puffs from the MFA in Boston (can't find a pic on-line), which I last saw in person about 15 years ago, were made of white, fine china silk and stuffed with down, they weighed almost nothing. There were no obvious attachment ties or the like. They were basically shaped like a dress sleeve with and outer sleeve and more fitted inner sleeve. When I made mine I made a sleeve pattern slightly smaller than my dress' sleeve and made up a fitted inner sleeve. I plan to make ties to attach them, but for now I pin them in place. Saundra Altman of Past Patterns has pattern in her archives that has yet to be published, you might ask her. Does the Workwoman's guide have sleeve puffs? Katy On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Cin cinbar...@gmail.com wrote: Ladies a few gents, I'm trying to find a better picture of a single garment with cotton sleeve puffs filled with down. There's a tiny picture in Payne showing a gal in all a mix of c1825-33 unmentionables. She's wearing a short sleeved something with down-filled crescents to make those late 1820s-early 1830s sleeves take form. My question concerns the nature of the puffs. Does anyone have a better picture, museum description or similar garment? The garment was, when this photo was take, at the Gallery of English Costume, Manchester. The collection URL is http://www.manchestergalleries.org/the-collections/search-the-collection/ but doesnt fully describe the puffs. I'm particularly seeking construction attachment details. The book, Blanche Payne's, History of Costume, 1st ed. p. 492. Thanks all, --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybisho...@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybisho...@gmail.comwww.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
