Re: [h-cost] early 17th century stays and bodice
Zuzana, If you want a pattern for the shorter-waisted stays of the first half of the 17th century, try http://www.12eyes.co.uk/stays/stays.htm . Having a minimal figure, I find a boned bodice adequate for middle-class attire. If you want to wear separate stays, I think you would still need light boning in the bodice. Kate Bunting Librarian 17th century reenactor The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this email was sent to you in error, please notify the sender and delete this email. Please direct any concerns to info...@derby.ac.uk The policy is available here: http://www.derby.ac.uk/LIS/Email-Policy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Shirone gown
Ladies (and a few gents), Have any of you got informative comments to share on the Shirone gown? I'm looking at the front and wondering whether that placket is * cut on the straight grain like a Henrican kirtle distorted with age, wear and/or burial * cut on the straight CF but folded back in a slight V for a wider CF lacing area * really cut in a curve like that?! I've read Recontructing History's notes and would like confirming or contrasting facts, if you have any to share. Thanks all! --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Shirone gown
At 03:32 PM 8/10/2009, you wrote: Hi Cynthia, Kass' info on the Shinrone gown is probably the most thorough I know of, I agree. Having seen the dress myself, Kass is pretty thorough. Her site is here: https://www.reconstructinghistory.com The Shinrone article: https://www.reconstructinghistory.com/irish.php?s=c=8d=100e=f=g=a=191w=2 And as Kass mentions, it is not supposed to lace closed in front. It really is cut that way, tho why I am still not sure. My guess is that it's for looks. You might look at this stie as their sleeves are very similar: http://www.cottesimple.com/blois_and_sleeves/grande_assiette/grande_assiette_overview.htm The last painting is two women in Birth of the Virgin Mary. Their sleeves are a very close match for the Shinrone gown. Having made the male version of this, I can see how it would be easy to curve that seam around as there is no collar. Good luck Genie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Shirone gown
The gown http://www.the-irish-path.com/images/shinrone_dress.jpg and a discription In 1843 a woman's dress was found buried in a bog near Shinrone, Co. Tipperary. It was believed to be from the sixteenth or seventeenth century. It was very well preserved. It was made of a brown woolen cloth. It consisted of a bodice with a long waist that opened in the front. Attached to the bodice was a full plaited skirt. It had 23 gored breadths gathered into small plaits at the top and spread out to wide quilling at the bottom. The bottom of the skirt measured twenty-two feet in circumference with ninety-two plaits in all. It shows the high skill of the tailors of that period. Note that it has a bit of similarity to Flemish gowns of that period. De -Original Message- Hi Cynthia, Kass' info on the Shinrone gown is probably the most thorough I know of, as she handled the gown herself, and most of the rest I've seen is usually based on written descriptions of the garment and two photos in one book (Dress in Ireland). I know from having made my own many years ago, before her info came out, that the written info is incomplete, and there are unseen unwritten details that Kass describes pretty well. And as Kass mentions, it is not supposed to lace closed in front. It really is cut that way, tho why I am still not sure. Kimiko ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
