[h-cost] question about black line thread

2010-08-24 Thread SNSpies
Can anyone please explain the process that might be happening here?   This 
is mentioned about linen thread being processed into cloth in medieval  
Egypt.
 
On receiving the threads, the weaver had first to use a pumice  stone to 
clear off their blackish crust ...
 
One person has suggested that the thread might have been treated with ashes 
 which would have contained lye and was, I am assuming, part of the process 
of  doing something to the threads.  I would be further intrigued to learn  
about whether this blackening occurred before the flax was spun into thread 
or  after the thread was spun.
 
Intriguing question, I think.
 
Thanks for your thoughts.
Nancy
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Re: [h-cost] OT Padley Martyrs (was What would my ancestor have worn?)

2010-08-24 Thread Michelle Plumb

Thank you, Kate!
Gotta save up on those airmiles; I have some digging to do!
Michelle
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Re: [h-cost] [HNW] question about black line thread

2010-08-24 Thread SNSpies
On  receiving the threads, the weaver had first to use a pumice stone to 
clear off  their blackish crust ...

where was this mentioned  btw?

 
Context is as much as I gave you.  The author, Anna Contadini, in her  
Fatimid Art at the Victoria and Albert Museum (1998), is talking about the  
processing of flax.  What she talks about before this statement about  removing 
the black crust is Z- and S-spun threads.  Further, there is no  footnote 
to the black crust statement, and Goitein doesn't seem to mention it,  
although I would need several hours to go back through all his books.
 
I may have stumbled upon some answers that might give us a possible clue to 
 this question.  Try reading over some of the methods on this web  site.  
Note the heavy use of ashes.  

_The Household Cyclopedia  - Bleaching and Scouring_ 
(http://www.mspong.org/cyclopedia/bleaching.html)  
 
This jives well with what Tom Knisely at The Mannings has suggested:   My 
guess is that the linen threads were being coated with  a type of ash 
treatment for sizing of the threads. Wool ash or plant ash  many have need used 
because the ash would have had lye  that may have  aided  in the finish 
processing. That's my thoughts and  guess.


Roberta, a friend from a weaving group, has this suggestion:   Today they 
tumble pumice stones to soften and polish denim.  Egyptians  used to use 
pumice stones to remove unwanted hair from the body.  I am  thinking that after 
the flax is retted it is black (and they probably did not  have the 
scutching equipment we are familiar with today) so they used the pumice  stone 
to 
rub on the fiber to remove the black and the little hairs in order to  make 
it more smooth and polished for weaving cloth.
It's starting to look like they didn't really clean the threads  
thoroughly before sending them to the weavers, and it was the weavers'  
responsibility to make the thread as fine/coarse as they wanted it.  There  
were umpteen 
different grades of linen fabric produced in Egypt in the Middle  Ages, so 
this stage -- after spinning and before weaving -- may have been the  one 
that determined a lot of the quality.  
 
I am also wondering if this was some processing method that resulted in a  
protective layer on the thread making it better for shipping them, which  
they did all over creation at this time.  
 
Nancy
 
 
 




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