[h-cost] Robe or train???
I feel so silly asking this question. I am working on photos of coronation costume photos for Mardi Gras. I am looking for the correct term to use for the detachable train (?) worn by the king and queen. You may view the questionable piece here: http://www.costumegallery.com/MardiGras/2010/Mobile/Museum/Queen1/P1100236me d.jpg I have checked my costume dictionaries and the train definition seems to fit better than robe. I have heard it called both ways. What the correct word to use? Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Robe or train???
I think the difference is that trains were detachable extensions to a gown (usually women's wear) and that robes were the cermonial capes that were part of the Royal Regalia. Kathleen, who is working on Maud's Robe.? -Original Message- From: penn...@costumegallery.com Sent 2/10/2011 4:58:54 AM To: h-costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Robe or train???I feel so silly asking this question. I am working on photos of coronation costume photos for Mardi Gras. I am looking for the correct term to use for the detachable train (?) worn by the king and queen. You may view the questionable piece here: http://www.costumegallery.com/MardiGras/2010/Mobile/Museum/Queen1/P1100236me d.jpg I have checked my costume dictionaries and the train definition seems to fit better than robe. I have heard it called both ways. What the correct word to use? Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Robe or train???
Penny, have you reviewed the Edensandravencroft site for robe description? Their use of' 'train' seems to be a fashion description for the length of the extension of the cermonial garment. Other sites indicate that Robes are connected with Ceremonial events.? Kathleen -Original Message- From: penn...@costumegallery.com Sent 2/10/2011 4:58:54 AM To: h-costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Robe or train???I feel so silly asking this question. I am working on photos of coronation costume photos for Mardi Gras. I am looking for the correct term to use for the detachable train (?) worn by the king and queen. You may view the questionable piece here: http://www.costumegallery.com/MardiGras/2010/Mobile/Museum/Queen1/P1100236me d.jpg I have checked my costume dictionaries and the train definition seems to fit better than robe. I have heard it called both ways. What the correct word to use? Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT : Help finding pattern
The picture you posted in Simplicity #4559, but I don't see it in their current catalog. For giggles and grins I did a bit of searching, but didn't come up with anything else useful. --Charlene On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin audreybmo...@gmail.com wrote: Good afternoon, This is slightly off topic... but I need your help! Recently (a couple of months ago, a year at most) I bought a pattern. It was named something like Island Beauties in the pattern catalog; I'd swear it was a Simplicity pattern - but I could be wrong... it could be this one http://images.buyitsellit.com/1525489.jpg but I'm sure the photos on the envelope were different (more in line with the current photos on Simplicity envelopes, with a dark background). Does it ring a bell for somebody? It might have been discontinued since then, but I find it strange that I can't find any mention to it anywhere, not in the in-store catalogs, not on the big 4 websites (even in discontinued patterns), not in Google... I didn't dream, I *did* buy it. Now I can't find it and there's a sale on patterns, and I need it, so I would have bought it again if I had been able to find in in stores... Thanks for any help, Audrey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- A hero is no braver than an ordinary man, but he is braver five minutes longer. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Robe or train???
If a ceremonial robe is long that it trails on the ground behind the person, the robe is said to have a train. That which attach and detach from the waistline and trails the ground behind the gown is a train. A long veil that trails past the gown is said to have a train. Same with a gown's skirt that trails behind. What I have seen over the years is that a train is used to describe the length of the back section of a garment, including robes that usually trail on the floor. Another name for ceremonial robe is robe of state. Queen Elizabeth's coronation robe had a 18ft train. http://www.fashion-era.com/images/SocialHistory/coro500jun.jpg another name for a ceremonial robe is mantle. In your case you have a mantle or robe that has a train. :) De -Original Message- I feel so silly asking this question. I am working on photos of coronation costume photos for Mardi Gras. I am looking for the correct term to use for the detachable train (?) worn by the king and queen. You may view the questionable piece here: http://www.costumegallery.com/MardiGras/2010/Mobile/Museum/Queen1/P1100236me d.jpg I have checked my costume dictionaries and the train definition seems to fit better than robe. I have heard it called both ways. What the correct word to use? Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Robe or train???
A photo of the coronation costumes can be seen at http://www.itvs.org/films/order-of-myths . The fifth photo in the header shows the costumes. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Robe or train???
I recently watched a documentary on Mobile, Alabama's Mardi Gras and the costume designers kept refering to the detachable part as a train. --Charlene On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 3:58 AM, penn...@costumegallery.com wrote: I feel so silly asking this question. I am working on photos of coronation costume photos for Mardi Gras. I am looking for the correct term to use for the detachable train (?) worn by the king and queen. You may view the questionable piece here: http://www.costumegallery.com/MardiGras/2010/Mobile/Museum/Queen1/P1100236me d.jpg I have checked my costume dictionaries and the train definition seems to fit better than robe. I have heard it called both ways. What the correct word to use? Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- A hero is no braver than an ordinary man, but he is braver five minutes longer. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Robe or train???
Thank you Charlene. What was the name of the show? Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Robe or train???
Here is the first set of photos from the Mobile Carnival Museum. This is the 2007 Queen's costume with six photos. Five of the photos you can zoom in really close. http://www.costumegallery.com/MardiGras/2010/Mobile/Museum/Queen1/index.html Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
