Re: [h-cost] Dyed Cloth from the Iron Age
I've always wanted to do a Dress for Success series, with titles like, What the Well-Dressed Sacrifice Is Wearing, Dress Appropriately to Be Murdered, Be a Good-Looking Corpse 1,000 Years from Now, and so forth. Fran Lavolta Press Books on making historic clothing www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress On 6/28/2012 5:01 PM, Laura Rubin wrote: (Apologies if you get this twice, the first one didn't appear to go through) This from a bog body: http://sciencenordic.com/dyed-clothes-came-fashion-early-iron-age What I find most striking is the twilled plaid. I did a double take because I thought for sure that nobody could be wearing *houndstooth* plaid so early. The rest of the accessory finds are pretty interesting too. -Laura ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Re: [h-cost] What is a Whip?
didn't mean to diss any non-East coaching/driving folk; just that what I found on-line first was the Newport weekend page... ch. On Jun 29, 2012, at 7:57 AM, Data-Samtak Susan wrote: A correction to the the East Coast upper crust here in the US.: Many horse owners ride and drive their horses in the USA. Some folks drive one pony and others can afford to drive 4 horses pulling a large carriage, as described in the original email. Some folks drive just for fun and other compete for titles and championships. FMI: http://www.gladstonedriving.org/History/gea_whip.html SUsan On Jun 28, 12, at 10:58 PM, Patricia Dunham wrote: from context on this page http://vasportsman.com/Coaching_in_Newport.pdf, I believe that in the modern sport of Coaching, whip may refer to the main driver, usually the owner or at least the organizer of a coaching group, the one who weilds the literal whip. Coaching, as is currently quite popular in England, because of Prince Phillip's enthusiasm for it, and apparently among the East Coast upper crust here in the US. Supporting multiple, multiple-horse teams, building and maintaining carriages -- definitely a 1% avocation. chimene On Jun 27, 2012, at 9:41 PM, penn...@costumegallery.com penn...@costumegallery.com wrote: I am working with a 1914 etiquette book and a person titled Whip is used in the section about Dress When Driving. What / Who is a Whip in this context? Men who are guests on a coach wear morning or afternoon dress according to the hour of the day on which the vehicle makes its start. The whip, if the host of the occasion, is usually arrayed in distinctive costume. A gray suit is the usual selection for spring and summer, brown is a frequent choice for the autumn.. In the country, and in summer, a gentleman whip wears a light colored and light-weight suit, with brown shoes and gloves and a straw or panama hat. For touring, or driving an automobile.No ceremonious costume for men has yet been evolved to approximate, in style and completeness, the formal dress an amateur whip wears. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dyed Cloth from the Iron Age
On Jun 28, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Laura Rubin wrote: This from a bog body: http://sciencenordic.com/dyed-clothes-came-fashion-early-iron-age I can see why you did a double take on the houndstooth. Incredible that what survived, did so very well. And was dyed. Awesome! Thanks for sharing. Kimiko ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] PING PLEASE?
It is also , for some of us, pre- Pennsic panic when time is even away by garb productio,packing list penning,provision pre cooking, pavilion perusing and proper pandemonium. Message- Date: Friday, June 29, 2012 12:27:06 pm To: h-costume-indra.com Costume h-cost...@indra.com From: Patricia Dunham chim...@ravensgard.org Subject: [h-cost] PING PLEASE? It is now 12.30 am (just after midnight) Friday morning. There has been nothing come in since about 9.30 AM Friday. that's 15+ hours and seems like a long time. I know it's just before SOME 4th-of-July-long-weekend events, but it seems early for EVERYbody to have disappeared? see you soon, I hope chimene ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dyed cloth from the Iron Age
Would love a source if you have one. I have someone that has drummed into folks that patterned cloth only goes as far back as the Middle Ages. The Iron Age article will dumbstrike her and further back will blow her away. :) -Original Message- Actually, patterned cloth is much older than the Iron-Age. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Our knowlege of whips...
Ginni said: The foregoing is courtesy of a misspent youth in which I read copious amounts of Georgette Heyer. Ginni, Ginni, NO time spent reading Georgette Heyer is mispent! Mary Piero Carey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What is a Whip?
Thank you to everyone for explaining what is a whip. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] not seeing digests
I did see this the first time (in Digest 142, delivered on Friday) -- but I've also been having trouble with h-costume messages not showing up in either my Inbox or my Junk folder. It's really frustrating to read replies to queries we never saw! In June, I didn't get Digests 134 or 141. I wonder what will disappear this month? OK, rant mode off. Back to my first attempt at Viking garb. :-) Suzanne On Jun 29, 2012, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-requ...@indra.com wrote: From: Laura Rubin rubin.lau...@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] Dyed Cloth from the Iron Age Date: June 28, 2012 7:01:42 PM CDT To: h-cost...@indra.com Reply-To: Historical Costume h-costume@mail.indra.com (Apologies if you get this twice, the first one didn't appear to go through) This from a bog body: http://sciencenordic.com/dyed-clothes-came-fashion-early-iron-age What I find most striking is the twilled plaid. I did a double take because I thought for sure that nobody could be wearing *houndstooth* plaid so early. The rest of the accessory finds are pretty interesting too. -Laura ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What is a Whip?
We viewed some of coaching weekend events at Newport a few years ago, at Marble House, it coincided with the Newport vintage Dance Week that year. http://www.vintagedancers.org/newport/index.html It was really fun to watch them go through their paces, it added a bit more period ambiance to our week. Katy On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com wrote: As support to my statement that the whip is the driver of the coach. Here is a website about an event in Newport which sounds lovely: http://www.newportmansions.org/events/a-weekend-of-coaching A quote from the text on that website: All seating is outside, with the driver, known as a whip, sitting in the slightly elevated right front seat, and the whip’s wife or female relative taking up the “box seat” on the left. Teena From: penn...@costumegallery.com penn...@costumegallery.com To: h-costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] What is a Whip? I am working with a 1914 etiquette book and a person titled Whip is used in the section about Dress When Driving. What / Who is a Whip in this context? Men who are guests on a coach wear morning or afternoon dress according to the hour of the day on which the vehicle makes its start. The whip, if the host of the occasion, is usually arrayed in distinctive costume. A gray suit is the usual selection for spring and summer, brown is a frequent choice for the autumn.. In the country, and in summer, a gentleman whip wears a light colored and light-weight suit, with brown shoes and gloves and a straw or panama hat. For touring, or driving an automobile.No ceremonious costume for men has yet been evolved to approximate, in style and completeness, the formal dress an amateur whip wears. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ http://www.costumegallery.com/ 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybisho...@gmail.comwww.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dyed cloth from the Iron Age
At 02:36 PM 6/29/2012, you wrote: Would love a source if you have one. I have someone that has drummed into folks that patterned cloth only goes as far back as the Middle Ages. The Iron Age article will dumbstrike her and further back will blow her away. :) -Original Message- Actually, patterned cloth is much older than the Iron-Age. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net I have two books in my collection, both by Elizabeth Wayland Barber. The first is Prehistoric Textiles: The development of cloth in the Neolithic and Bronze Ages, with special reference to the Aegean; the second is The Mummies of Urumchi. The former has some color pictures of some of the few surviving textiles that have discernable color patterns (very few textiles survive in Europe except for those in the lake bottoms of Switzerland (linen) and the bog textiles in Northern Europe (woolens), both of which have any colors totally masked by the preservation conditions; one exception is in the salt mines). There are some Egyptian textiles preserved by the dryness of the environment that show some colors. In the latter book, again it is extreme dryness that preserves woolen textiles in all their colorful glory. It's interesting that someone has such a jaundiced view of textile history. People have been weaving colorful patterned textiles for at least the past 4,000 years. And, yes, I am an early textile technology geek. 8-) In fact, in late October I am taking a 3-day workshop on spinning and weaving for historic textile reproduction/re-creation. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dyed cloth from the Iron Age
The mummy bundles of peru are another example. One of the oldest known textile is a rug/ cloth found in a tomb in the Far eastbif i remember correctly. I don't remember the name. It has small figures along the edge. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net wrote: At 02:36 PM 6/29/2012, you wrote: Would love a source if you have one. I have someone that has drummed into folks that patterned cloth only goes as far back as the Middle Ages. The Iron Age article will dumbstrike her and further back will blow her away. :) -Original Message- Actually, patterned cloth is much older than the Iron-Age. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net I have two books in my collection, both by Elizabeth Wayland Barber. The first is Prehistoric Textiles: The development of cloth in the Neolithic and Bronze Ages, with special reference to the Aegean; the second is The Mummies of Urumchi. The former has some color pictures of some of the few surviving textiles that have discernable color patterns (very few textiles survive in Europe except for those in the lake bottoms of Switzerland (linen) and the bog textiles in Northern Europe (woolens), both of which have any colors totally masked by the preservation conditions; one exception is in the salt mines). There are some Egyptian textiles preserved by the dryness of the environment that show some colors. In the latter book, again it is extreme dryness that preserves woolen textiles in all their colorful glory. It's interesting that someone has such a jaundiced view of textile history. People have been weaving colorful patterned textiles for at least the past 4,000 years. And, yes, I am an early textile technology geek. 8-) In fact, in late October I am taking a 3-day workshop on spinning and weaving for historic textile reproduction/re-creation. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dyed cloth from the Iron Age
the Urumchi/Taklamakan textiles are dated 1900 BC to 200 AD (Wiki article on Tarim Mummies); and that article notes that EJW Barber compared the textiles to those at the Halstatt salt mines, which are dated 8th to 6th centuries BC (European Early Iron Age) in the Wiki Halstatt article. (I had to fall back to Wiki because I have read her books, but not recently) (egad, no Wiki article on HER, just lots of ref.s TO her in textile history articles) yes, your ... associate certainly doesn't know as much as she thinks she does about textile history, if she's never read Elizabeth Barber!!! The books are: The Mummies of Urumchi; Women's Work: The First 20,000 Years: Women, Cloth, and Society in Early Times; and Prehistoric Textiles: The Development of Cloth in the Neolithic and Bronze Ages with Special Reference to the Aegean chimene On Jul 1, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Joan Jurancich wrote: At 02:36 PM 6/29/2012, you wrote: Would love a source if you have one. I have someone that has drummed into folks that patterned cloth only goes as far back as the Middle Ages. The Iron Age article will dumbstrike her and further back will blow her away. :) -Original Message- Actually, patterned cloth is much older than the Iron-Age. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net I have two books in my collection, both by Elizabeth Wayland Barber. The first is Prehistoric Textiles: The development of cloth in the Neolithic and Bronze Ages, with special reference to the Aegean; the second is The Mummies of Urumchi. The former has some color pictures of some of the few surviving textiles that have discernable color patterns (very few textiles survive in Europe except for those in the lake bottoms of Switzerland (linen) and the bog textiles in Northern Europe (woolens), both of which have any colors totally masked by the preservation conditions; one exception is in the salt mines). There are some Egyptian textiles preserved by the dryness of the environment that show some colors. In the latter book, again it is extreme dryness that preserves woolen textiles in all their colorful glory. It's interesting that someone has such a jaundiced view of textile history. People have been weaving colorful patterned textiles for at least the past 4,000 years. And, yes, I am an early textile technology geek. 8-) In fact, in late October I am taking a 3-day workshop on spinning and weaving for historic textile reproduction/re-creation. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
