Re: [h-cost] Dating an image

[Elena House]

Interesting piece!  It's both right up my alley, and out of my area of
expertise.

I've spent a couple of decades collecting images of ads from about
1860-1970, so in that sense it's definitely my thing.  I LOVE old
advertising/marketing/packaging. Frustratingly, though, just knowing when
the image on the glass is from won't really date the piece with certainty.

This looks like the glass bottle packaging of some commercial product (I'm
not familiar with it, but I'm checking my files and will keep checking)--in
other words, not necessarily directly related to or produced by the
military, although probably marketed to it judging by the clothing, which
reminds me of WW1 women's volunteer or reserve uniforms.  The image and
font used is most similar to the styles used starting around 1910, but
still used into the 1930s (and seen to some degree even later).

However, the people who made logos and packaging and so forth back then
made use of clip art just as we do today; the same basic image (sometimes
with minor changes or updates) might be used and re-used in designs
throughout several years, and companies might go years or decades without
updating the design on their packaging.  So, this bottle may have been
designed in the 1910s, but produced and purchased a decade or more later.
It's likeliest that you'd see this in the wartime 1910s (especially
considering the hairstyle; it could be a bob, but is more likely to be a
late 1910s non-bobbed-but-pulled-back-low female style), but it wouldn't
completely shock me if something like this popped up as late as the 1940s.
It'd be unusual, but not impossible.

The area in which I have zero expertise, beyond a few minutes of searching
on Google, is one that might help you narrow it down better than the actual
image: the fact that the image is printed (or painted) in color on glass.
 (Glass bottle packaging is a whole nother area of research than my own
paper-based ad research; there's lots of people who specialize in and
collect that.)  This is an application of technology that might not have
become common as early as the 1910s; it's also possible that an expert on
the subject could tell what technique was used to get that image on the
glass, and come up with a date based on that.

Long story short, gun to my head I'd say late 1910s, but only if I had to
give my last best guess, and the researchers would be well-served by
getting input from people who know about the history of glass packaging.

Hope this helps, and I'm very interested in any conclusions the people
working on this eventually reach about the dating of the site!
-E House

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Cin  wrote:

> Did you send a picture?  If so, it probably wont come thru on this list.
> You'll need to provide a link if you want people to see anything.
>
> --cin
> Cynthia Barnes
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> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Hansen, Lia 
> wrote:
>
> > The piece was found in a midden on a military base in Southern California
> > and is from the 20th century.  We're trying to narrow down the decade.
> >
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Re: [h-cost] Dating an image

[Cin]

Did you send a picture?  If so, it probably wont come thru on this list.
You'll need to provide a link if you want people to see anything.

--cin
Cynthia Barnes
cinbar...@gmail.com

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Hansen, Lia 
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> The piece was found in a midden on a military base in Southern California
> and is from the 20th century.  We're trying to narrow down the decade.
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[h-cost] Dating an image

[Hansen, Lia]

The piece was found in a midden on a military base in Southern California and 
is from the 20th century.  We're trying to narrow down the decade.



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Re: [h-cost] Help in dating an image

[Kim Baird]

Lia-
When I sent you an email offering to help, I got an automatic "out of
office" reply. Shcekc your email.
Kim

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Subject: [h-cost] Help in dating an image

Subject: Help in dating an image

My friend is an archeologist and found this image at a recent dig.  I
thought this group might be a good resource to help zero in on a date.  If
you are interested in weighing in, feel free to email me at
lia.han...@vanguard.edu and I'll send the
image to you since I can't seem to post it and I don't have a link to it..

Thanks!

Lia

Lia M. Hansen, M.F.A.
Costume Designer/Associate Professor of Theatre Arts Vanguard University of
Southern California
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Re: [h-cost] Help in dating an image

[Kate Bunting]

Lia,

Can you give us a clue as to the general period the image is from? Is it a
photograph, or something earlier?

Kate Bunting
Retired librarian & 17th century reenactor

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:18 AM, Hansen, Lia 
wrote:

> Subject: Help in dating an image
>
> My friend is an archeologist and found this image at a recent dig.  I
> thought this group might be a good resource to help zero in on a date.  If
> you are interested in weighing in, feel free to email me at
> lia.han...@vanguard.edu and I'll send the
> image to you since I can't seem to post it and I don't have a link to it..
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lia
>
> Lia M. Hansen, M.F.A.
> Costume Designer/Associate Professor of Theatre Arts
> Vanguard University of Southern California
> 55 Fair Drive, Costa Mesa, CA  92626
> lia.han...@vanguard.edu
> 949-246-6585--cell
> 714-662-5229--fax
> 714-619-6423--office
> Matt 6:1-8
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